Wow, yikes!
Were you taking .25mg eod or was that just from one single dose?
At 0.125mg did it put you in a better range or crash you as well? Do you now not use an AI?
Single doses only. As I went from 20 to 7-9% body fat I needed less and less AI. I had crashed E roughly 5-6 times over a 2 year period and it really messed me up sexually for a long while.
Presently on zero AI for 10 months and on 50mg Test cyp EOD throttling my doses between 45 - 60mg per @pysiologics protocol and feel the best I’ve felt. My first 2 years on trt taking larger doses of test with Anastrazole were a nightmare sexually for me though my body did change for the better. The last 8-10 months I’ve been dialed in and perfect.
My e2 went from 17 pre trt. When I started my first protocol of 100mgs E7D my e2 went to 50 and I was miserable with gyro flare up (had gyno from previous cycling) I was put on .25mg of adex E3.5D and also split my test dosage twice a week. After a while I started having what I thought were high E symptoms but a blood test showed my E2 was 5! I dropped the adex and have since been able to increase my dosage to 70mg E3.5D and my E2 is well with in range. (25 last check) I believe it takes your body a while to normalize and it is possible that after a few months your body will deal with the E on its own without the help of an ai. I would try it with out adex. Also if you don’t have concerns of fertility I would recommend not taking the HCG as this has a tendency to drive estrogen numbers higher.
Just wait until the test builds up for 2 weeks or so. Then add it in. At that dosing I think crashing e2 will be hard to do.
HCG also directly converts to E2, so with 140 mg per week of test plus 1000 iu HCG, the adix may be needed.
UPDATE
Hi everyone, 8 days into my dosing now. I know people say it takes 3-4 weeks to start to feel it, but by day 3 I was having INSANE libido and feeling epic, the last 3 days I’ve felt like shit though. So , since labs are free for me I went to have some run. My Total test was at 950, Free test at 22 and E2 ultra sensitive at 34.5.
This was a trough test, but again only one week in (I know, Iknow, too soon for “real” data). More the point, I had suspected my E2 had climbed and now, in the mid 30s at 950 I’m sure its over 40 at the “peak” of my shots. So with this in mind I have the .125mg pills (1/8 mg) I think I will take one today and then one day after my next injection and keep that up. With an E2 in the mid 30s in trough testing that low does AI shouldn’t crash me now right?
Thanks!
Mistake imo.
That e2 is fine with that total t.
If you don’t wait the 6 weeks you will go on a roller coaster.
U take ai , then low e2. Then you stop ai and e2 back up with all the symptoms as you go up and down. Need to give body time to stabilize.
Don’t make the mistake most make at the beginning like I did.
Hmm okay, my only symptom I’d say is “hot flashes” seemingly–is that just my body trying to come to grips with new hormones and not symptom of low E? I don’t have sensitive nipples.
Well, I’m more just worried because the .125 isnt me playing dr as much as what my dr wants me on–I was only waiting a bit so I didn’t crash my E2 initially–given that he wants me on that dose of AI (its Defy medical and they want me under 30 for E2 (20-30 he said), I still shouldn’t go on it as prescribed now?
Yeah. That e2 is most likely not high. Those symptoms can be from your hormones Changing.
People tend to blame all in e2.
If e2 remains high WITH symptoms in 6 -7 weeks then need to consider lowering dose B4 ai. Depends on free t.
I already answered your ? Imo even if u get itchy nips for a day… That’s your body adjusting. Your not going to grow tits in a week.
I had bloating at such at the beginning too. E2 will stabilize.
If e2 was 50 different discussion. It’s not.