[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
so a few especially hot days in one american state compared to each other can prove disprove global warming?[/quote]
To disprove something, it must be proved first.[/quote]
You cannot disprove something that has been proven.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
so a few especially hot days in one american state compared to each other can prove disprove global warming?[/quote]
no, basic science and historical data disprove AGW . . . new to these threads?[/quote]
New to science?[/quote]
New to the news, data and thinking for yourself?[/quote]
LOL
[quote]pat wrote:
The question doesn’t have to do with warming or cooling, the question is, is the activity of man making it warmer artificially…
There are many issues with this theory. First, the Earth warms and cools all the fucking time. Sometimes it’s faster, sometimes it’s slower, but the one constant is that the Earth’s climate is perpetually changing.
The variables contributing to climate are to numerous to even comprehend. You cannot say that CO2 is the boogie man and man is the cause of it. The CO2 in the atmosphere if 0.039% That’s pretty small. If we make it .04% it’s not going to make a shit lick’s worth of difference. That’s if it’s even possible.
Like animals, the Earth also has self correcting mechanisms. For instance, what do you know about hurricanes? Well, other than being big bad annoying storms they also serve a vital purpose, they cool the Earth. So if the Earth warms, and it doesn’t like it, a few hurricanes later and we are cooled back off.
Another issue, there is no such thing as “Green energy” Each method for creating electricity, has an environmental impact. Wind farms take huge swaths of land and fuck up local ecosystems. Solar is inefficient to create, very inefficient to run, take up huge areas of ecosystem, etc. If you want artificial heat, go feel the radiant heat in a solar farm at peak operation. Damns destroy land and water ecosystems and have an inherent danger on their own, if one busts, that’s a bad thing. Imagine the environmental impact if Hoover Dam busts?
Let’s move to other green things like hybrid or electric cars…Sound good right? There are several issues here. The electric motors produce ozone and an electromagnetic field. Ozone is a pollutant and electromagnetic fields cause cancer. The advent of hybrids is causing some alarm in this area. Also the content of a battery is highly toxic. While the battery shell is recyclable the goo inside is not and is very poisonous. Put enough of that shit in land fills and you are poluting soil, water …all kinds of shit.
My prediction is that the hybrid fad will die when people realize the cost of replacing the batteries.
The issues isn’t wanting to be needlessly dirty. The issues is when you are drawing up legislation that has large impact and cost and whose result will be next to nothing. If you are going to screw with our lives, be sure it needs to happen. The GW alarmist lack the evidence that something needs to be done and what they propose will actually do anything.
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Co2 levels are prime indicators of global warming. The oceans absorb Co2, which causes the ocean’s temp to rise. In the last ten years, the ocean has risen by one degree, compared to 3 degrees in the last 100 years. Since ambient ocean temps rise due to absorption of Co2, it is entirely logical to suggest that the temps have risen dramatically as of late due to rising Co2. There has also been much more acidity in the ocean in the last 10-15 years, another result of Co2 absorption and increasing acidity levels in rainwater.
Even a tiny rise in Co2 can have drastic effects on the Earth, as we’ve seen with rising and warming ocean levels. Whales have stopped giving birth in the lagoon-like conditions esat of the Baja Peninsula and have moved to open seas since the water is now too warm in Baja for them. This exposes them to all sorts of predators that are not in Baja. Shit, a one degree shift in the Earth’s temp in either direction may not sound like much, but it’s enough to change the entire way we live. In California, a one-inch rise would funnel massive amounts of water through the Bay and flood most of the Delta area and possibly even Sacramento(which is below sea level). Coastal flooding would occur which would lead to massive erosion along cliffs and shorelines.
Hurricanes are not a self-cooling mechanism. They simply occur when there is a large difference between the air’s and the water’s surface temp. These conditions are met at the same time of year in various areas. The coriolis effect is what allows the storm to move and accelerate and is also why storms move in the same direction above the equator and the opposite direction below it.
There is such a thing as green technology; there is no such thing as entirely waste-free energy. However nuclear energy has the potential to be 99.5% waste-free and has the potential to be created by burning existing nuclear waste as a fuel source. It’s being worked on right now at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
The real issue here is that the science clearly indicates that global warming is occurring right now but people seem to treat this as a political discussion. Sure, the globe warming is cyclical in nature, but the cycle taking place now is happening at an alarmingly accelerated pace that coincides with an equally accelerating global population. But it can be slowed down. Humans can make changes to their lifestyles that will enable our stay here to be longer. Look at California right before the EPA was formed. The lakes, rivers, coastlines, and air quality are all much better here now than it was 30-40 years ago, even though the state’s population has grown immensely. This is due to “green” legislature. This warming happening right now is cyclical in nature, but we humans are part of that cycle.
When my parents were growing up, people used to dump all their used motor oil into gutters and so on. When people started to realize that this shit was fucking up the waterways and oceans, lots of people thought it was ridiculous to stop dumping oil and doubted the science behind it, but now dumping oil is ridiculous and we all understand why, even before this BP oil spill. 10-20 years down the road, we’ll all look back at this and think how stupid we were to doubt the staggering amount of studies and evidence that indicate global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate and that the rate can be slowed down thru human intervention.
I guess the concensus was a fucking lie too.
[quote]John S. wrote:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/06/13/the-ipcc-consensus-on-climate-change-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/
I guess the concensus was a fucking lie too.
[/quote]
Taken completely out of context by the NP. There is a consensus amongst those 2,500+ scientists, Hulme is merely stating that only ~50-70 are actually climatologists, the rest being chemists, biologists, etc, which is a valid point.
Anti-agw people crack me up, running around grabbing snippets of anti-AGW propaganda from popular sources like starlings building a nest.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m back in school right now and taking a Geology course and my professor has a lot of interesting theories on Global Warming. He had this book that he passed around with pictures of over 200 different climate measuring sites. The sites that they record the temperatures from in order to see if the earth is progressively getting warmer, colder, or staying the same.
Well in the 200+ pictures in this publication it shows how all of these particular sites have some sort of violation. Some are right next to concrete roads now, factories, houses, quite a few industrial sized AC Units. All things that are prohibited and would drastically increase the temperature of the ambient air, thus throwing all the readings out of order. It was pretty interesting to see all this documentation on improper readings and how they effect the way scientists and researchers perceive global warming.
.greg.[/quote]
Did you see the one where the site was in an active volcano?
[/quote]
hahahaha No I didnt see that one. They set up all these sites and as the towns and civilizations expanded they moved in on all these sites and threw off the readings… its really a subjective thing cause you can find a ton of information for it and a ton against it. Tons of scientists will say its true and tons will say its BS… all just depends on who you’re talking to i guess
.greg.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
[quote]John S. wrote:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/06/13/the-ipcc-consensus-on-climate-change-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/
I guess the concensus was a fucking lie too.
[/quote]
Taken completely out of context by the NP. There is a consensus amongst those 2,500+ scientists, Hulme is merely stating that only ~50-70 are actually climatologists, the rest being chemists, biologists, etc, which is a valid point.
Anti-agw people crack me up, running around grabbing snippets of anti-AGW propaganda from popular sources like starlings building a nest.
[/quote]
Can’t stand that the liberal lie has been exposed can you, oh well more and more people are waking up to the scam.
Did someone really start another AGW thread and the poor blinded AGW supporters are rushing to the rescue of their failed theory? wow . . . shouldn’t they be taxed for all of the energy they are wasting defending a dead theory?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m back in school right now and taking a Geology course and my professor has a lot of interesting theories on Global Warming. He had this book that he passed around with pictures of over 200 different climate measuring sites. The sites that they record the temperatures from in order to see if the earth is progressively getting warmer, colder, or staying the same.
Well in the 200+ pictures in this publication it shows how all of these particular sites have some sort of violation. Some are right next to concrete roads now, factories, houses, quite a few industrial sized AC Units. All things that are prohibited and would drastically increase the temperature of the ambient air, thus throwing all the readings out of order. It was pretty interesting to see all this documentation on improper readings and how they effect the way scientists and researchers perceive global warming.
.greg.[/quote]
Did you see the one where the site was in an active volcano?
[/quote]
hahahaha No I didnt see that one. They set up all these sites and as the towns and civilizations expanded they moved in on all these sites and threw off the readings… its really a subjective thing cause you can find a ton of information for it and a ton against it. Tons of scientists will say its true and tons will say its BS… all just depends on who you’re talking to i guess
.greg.[/quote]
I was trying to make a joke, even though it was a bad one. I have read and heard what you are saying. The sites are not the best locations and readings are bad because of it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The question doesn’t have to do with warming or cooling, the question is, is the activity of man making it warmer artificially…
There are many issues with this theory. First, the Earth warms and cools all the fucking time. Sometimes it’s faster, sometimes it’s slower, but the one constant is that the Earth’s climate is perpetually changing.
The variables contributing to climate are to numerous to even comprehend. You cannot say that CO2 is the boogie man and man is the cause of it. The CO2 in the atmosphere if 0.039% That’s pretty small. If we make it .04% it’s not going to make a shit lick’s worth of difference. That’s if it’s even possible.
Like animals, the Earth also has self correcting mechanisms. For instance, what do you know about hurricanes? Well, other than being big bad annoying storms they also serve a vital purpose, they cool the Earth. So if the Earth warms, and it doesn’t like it, a few hurricanes later and we are cooled back off.
Another issue, there is no such thing as “Green energy” Each method for creating electricity, has an environmental impact. Wind farms take huge swaths of land and fuck up local ecosystems. Solar is inefficient to create, very inefficient to run, take up huge areas of ecosystem, etc. If you want artificial heat, go feel the radiant heat in a solar farm at peak operation. Damns destroy land and water ecosystems and have an inherent danger on their own, if one busts, that’s a bad thing. Imagine the environmental impact if Hoover Dam busts?
Let’s move to other green things like hybrid or electric cars…Sound good right? There are several issues here. The electric motors produce ozone and an electromagnetic field. Ozone is a pollutant and electromagnetic fields cause cancer. The advent of hybrids is causing some alarm in this area. Also the content of a battery is highly toxic. While the battery shell is recyclable the goo inside is not and is very poisonous. Put enough of that shit in land fills and you are poluting soil, water …all kinds of shit.
My prediction is that the hybrid fad will die when people realize the cost of replacing the batteries.
The issues isn’t wanting to be needlessly dirty. The issues is when you are drawing up legislation that has large impact and cost and whose result will be next to nothing. If you are going to screw with our lives, be sure it needs to happen. The GW alarmist lack the evidence that something needs to be done and what they propose will actually do anything.
[/quote]
Co2 levels are prime indicators of global warming. The oceans absorb Co2, which causes the ocean’s temp to rise. In the last ten years, the ocean has risen by one degree, compared to 3 degrees in the last 100 years. Since ambient ocean temps rise due to absorption of Co2, it is entirely logical to suggest that the temps have risen dramatically as of late due to rising Co2. There has also been much more acidity in the ocean in the last 10-15 years, another result of Co2 absorption and increasing acidity levels in rainwater.
Even a tiny rise in Co2 can have drastic effects on the Earth, as we’ve seen with rising and warming ocean levels. Whales have stopped giving birth in the lagoon-like conditions esat of the Baja Peninsula and have moved to open seas since the water is now too warm in Baja for them. This exposes them to all sorts of predators that are not in Baja. Shit, a one degree shift in the Earth’s temp in either direction may not sound like much, but it’s enough to change the entire way we live. In California, a one-inch rise would funnel massive amounts of water through the Bay and flood most of the Delta area and possibly even Sacramento(which is below sea level). Coastal flooding would occur which would lead to massive erosion along cliffs and shorelines.
Hurricanes are not a self-cooling mechanism. They simply occur when there is a large difference between the air’s and the water’s surface temp. These conditions are met at the same time of year in various areas. The coriolis effect is what allows the storm to move and accelerate and is also why storms move in the same direction above the equator and the opposite direction below it.
There is such a thing as green technology; there is no such thing as entirely waste-free energy. However nuclear energy has the potential to be 99.5% waste-free and has the potential to be created by burning existing nuclear waste as a fuel source. It’s being worked on right now at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
The real issue here is that the science clearly indicates that global warming is occurring right now but people seem to treat this as a political discussion. Sure, the globe warming is cyclical in nature, but the cycle taking place now is happening at an alarmingly accelerated pace that coincides with an equally accelerating global population. But it can be slowed down. Humans can make changes to their lifestyles that will enable our stay here to be longer. Look at California right before the EPA was formed. The lakes, rivers, coastlines, and air quality are all much better here now than it was 30-40 years ago, even though the state’s population has grown immensely. This is due to “green” legislature. This warming happening right now is cyclical in nature, but we humans are part of that cycle.
When my parents were growing up, people used to dump all their used motor oil into gutters and so on. When people started to realize that this shit was fucking up the waterways and oceans, lots of people thought it was ridiculous to stop dumping oil and doubted the science behind it, but now dumping oil is ridiculous and we all understand why, even before this BP oil spill. 10-20 years down the road, we’ll all look back at this and think how stupid we were to doubt the staggering amount of studies and evidence that indicate global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate and that the rate can be slowed down thru human intervention.[/quote]
Hurricanes are a cooling mechanism for the Earth, look it up.
A few years ago it was CO as the prime indicator for GW, then CFC’s, now it’s CO2. Well, every animal that lives produces CO2, volcanoes produce CO2, streams and rivers produce CO2 and yet, there is very little present. On top of that CO2 is very heavy, and does not exactely rise to to the highest levels of the atmosphere where said greenhouse effect is occuring. It’s the same problematic fact that derailed to whole CFC issue. The molocules are heavy and they sink, not rise.
Fill a balloon with CO2 and see where it goes…Strait to the floor.
Climate change happens. Big deal. Nothing ever stays the same and nothing ever will. Man is small issue to it. Further, we are animals to, so we are natural and what we do is natural.
Green energy is just pollution transfer. It moves it from where you can see it, to where you can’t.
The Kyoto protocol for instance, just moved all the polluting industries from Europe and Asia to Africa and poorer Asian counties. No less pollution, just moved it somewhere else.
The sun is hotter right now, the Earth changes temperature constantly. Sometimes it’s gradual sometimes it spikes, but it always changes.
GW science is flawed at best and even if perfect fails to prove the manmade link. It infers it, sort of. Not enough for me to where an environmental hair shirt. I’ll pollute with my internal combustion engine and you pollute with your electric chemical factory…Hell even if you kill yourself, you still pollute, decomposition releases a lot of CO2. You can win, but here’s the good new, you aren’t in control.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The question doesn’t have to do with warming or cooling, the question is, is the activity of man making it warmer artificially…
There are many issues with this theory. First, the Earth warms and cools all the fucking time. Sometimes it’s faster, sometimes it’s slower, but the one constant is that the Earth’s climate is perpetually changing.
The variables contributing to climate are to numerous to even comprehend. You cannot say that CO2 is the boogie man and man is the cause of it. The CO2 in the atmosphere if 0.039% That’s pretty small. If we make it .04% it’s not going to make a shit lick’s worth of difference. That’s if it’s even possible.
Like animals, the Earth also has self correcting mechanisms. For instance, what do you know about hurricanes? Well, other than being big bad annoying storms they also serve a vital purpose, they cool the Earth. So if the Earth warms, and it doesn’t like it, a few hurricanes later and we are cooled back off.
Another issue, there is no such thing as “Green energy” Each method for creating electricity, has an environmental impact. Wind farms take huge swaths of land and fuck up local ecosystems. Solar is inefficient to create, very inefficient to run, take up huge areas of ecosystem, etc. If you want artificial heat, go feel the radiant heat in a solar farm at peak operation. Damns destroy land and water ecosystems and have an inherent danger on their own, if one busts, that’s a bad thing. Imagine the environmental impact if Hoover Dam busts?
Let’s move to other green things like hybrid or electric cars…Sound good right? There are several issues here. The electric motors produce ozone and an electromagnetic field. Ozone is a pollutant and electromagnetic fields cause cancer. The advent of hybrids is causing some alarm in this area. Also the content of a battery is highly toxic. While the battery shell is recyclable the goo inside is not and is very poisonous. Put enough of that shit in land fills and you are poluting soil, water …all kinds of shit.
My prediction is that the hybrid fad will die when people realize the cost of replacing the batteries.
The issues isn’t wanting to be needlessly dirty. The issues is when you are drawing up legislation that has large impact and cost and whose result will be next to nothing. If you are going to screw with our lives, be sure it needs to happen. The GW alarmist lack the evidence that something needs to be done and what they propose will actually do anything.
[/quote]
Co2 levels are prime indicators of global warming. The oceans absorb Co2, which causes the ocean’s temp to rise. In the last ten years, the ocean has risen by one degree, compared to 3 degrees in the last 100 years. Since ambient ocean temps rise due to absorption of Co2, it is entirely logical to suggest that the temps have risen dramatically as of late due to rising Co2. There has also been much more acidity in the ocean in the last 10-15 years, another result of Co2 absorption and increasing acidity levels in rainwater.
Even a tiny rise in Co2 can have drastic effects on the Earth, as we’ve seen with rising and warming ocean levels. Whales have stopped giving birth in the lagoon-like conditions esat of the Baja Peninsula and have moved to open seas since the water is now too warm in Baja for them. This exposes them to all sorts of predators that are not in Baja. Shit, a one degree shift in the Earth’s temp in either direction may not sound like much, but it’s enough to change the entire way we live. In California, a one-inch rise would funnel massive amounts of water through the Bay and flood most of the Delta area and possibly even Sacramento(which is below sea level). Coastal flooding would occur which would lead to massive erosion along cliffs and shorelines.
Hurricanes are not a self-cooling mechanism. They simply occur when there is a large difference between the air’s and the water’s surface temp. These conditions are met at the same time of year in various areas. The coriolis effect is what allows the storm to move and accelerate and is also why storms move in the same direction above the equator and the opposite direction below it.
There is such a thing as green technology; there is no such thing as entirely waste-free energy. However nuclear energy has the potential to be 99.5% waste-free and has the potential to be created by burning existing nuclear waste as a fuel source. It’s being worked on right now at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
The real issue here is that the science clearly indicates that global warming is occurring right now but people seem to treat this as a political discussion. Sure, the globe warming is cyclical in nature, but the cycle taking place now is happening at an alarmingly accelerated pace that coincides with an equally accelerating global population. But it can be slowed down. Humans can make changes to their lifestyles that will enable our stay here to be longer. Look at California right before the EPA was formed. The lakes, rivers, coastlines, and air quality are all much better here now than it was 30-40 years ago, even though the state’s population has grown immensely. This is due to “green” legislature. This warming happening right now is cyclical in nature, but we humans are part of that cycle.
When my parents were growing up, people used to dump all their used motor oil into gutters and so on. When people started to realize that this shit was fucking up the waterways and oceans, lots of people thought it was ridiculous to stop dumping oil and doubted the science behind it, but now dumping oil is ridiculous and we all understand why, even before this BP oil spill. 10-20 years down the road, we’ll all look back at this and think how stupid we were to doubt the staggering amount of studies and evidence that indicate global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate and that the rate can be slowed down thru human intervention.[/quote]
Hurricanes are a cooling mechanism for the Earth, look it up.
A few years ago it was CO as the prime indicator for GW, then CFC’s, now it’s CO2. Well, every animal that lives produces CO2, volcanoes produce CO2, streams and rivers produce CO2 and yet, there is very little present. On top of that CO2 is very heavy, and does not exactely rise to to the highest levels of the atmosphere where said greenhouse effect is occuring. It’s the same problematic fact that derailed to whole CFC issue. The molocules are heavy and they sink, not rise.
Fill a balloon with CO2 and see where it goes…Strait to the floor.
Climate change happens. Big deal. Nothing ever stays the same and nothing ever will. Man is small issue to it. Further, we are animals to, so we are natural and what we do is natural.
Green energy is just pollution transfer. It moves it from where you can see it, to where you can’t.
The Kyoto protocol for instance, just moved all the polluting industries from Europe and Asia to Africa and poorer Asian counties. No less pollution, just moved it somewhere else.
The sun is hotter right now, the Earth changes temperature constantly. Sometimes it’s gradual sometimes it spikes, but it always changes.
GW science is flawed at best and even if perfect fails to prove the manmade link. It infers it, sort of. Not enough for me to where an environmental hair shirt. I’ll pollute with my internal combustion engine and you pollute with your electric chemical factory…Hell even if you kill yourself, you still pollute, decomposition releases a lot of CO2. You can win, but here’s the good new, you aren’t in control.[/quote]
You know what? You’re right. Your logic is flawless. That’s why I never wipe my ass; it’ll just get shitty again anyways and it’s a natural process. In fact, it’s unnatural to wipe my ass. I’ll stop showering too since I’ll just get dirty again anyways. At least I’ll cut back on water consumption this way.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The question doesn’t have to do with warming or cooling, the question is, is the activity of man making it warmer artificially…
There are many issues with this theory. First, the Earth warms and cools all the fucking time. Sometimes it’s faster, sometimes it’s slower, but the one constant is that the Earth’s climate is perpetually changing.
The variables contributing to climate are to numerous to even comprehend. You cannot say that CO2 is the boogie man and man is the cause of it. The CO2 in the atmosphere if 0.039% That’s pretty small. If we make it .04% it’s not going to make a shit lick’s worth of difference. That’s if it’s even possible.
Like animals, the Earth also has self correcting mechanisms. For instance, what do you know about hurricanes? Well, other than being big bad annoying storms they also serve a vital purpose, they cool the Earth. So if the Earth warms, and it doesn’t like it, a few hurricanes later and we are cooled back off.
Another issue, there is no such thing as “Green energy” Each method for creating electricity, has an environmental impact. Wind farms take huge swaths of land and fuck up local ecosystems. Solar is inefficient to create, very inefficient to run, take up huge areas of ecosystem, etc. If you want artificial heat, go feel the radiant heat in a solar farm at peak operation. Damns destroy land and water ecosystems and have an inherent danger on their own, if one busts, that’s a bad thing. Imagine the environmental impact if Hoover Dam busts?
Let’s move to other green things like hybrid or electric cars…Sound good right? There are several issues here. The electric motors produce ozone and an electromagnetic field. Ozone is a pollutant and electromagnetic fields cause cancer. The advent of hybrids is causing some alarm in this area. Also the content of a battery is highly toxic. While the battery shell is recyclable the goo inside is not and is very poisonous. Put enough of that shit in land fills and you are poluting soil, water …all kinds of shit.
My prediction is that the hybrid fad will die when people realize the cost of replacing the batteries.
The issues isn’t wanting to be needlessly dirty. The issues is when you are drawing up legislation that has large impact and cost and whose result will be next to nothing. If you are going to screw with our lives, be sure it needs to happen. The GW alarmist lack the evidence that something needs to be done and what they propose will actually do anything.
[/quote]
Co2 levels are prime indicators of global warming. The oceans absorb Co2, which causes the ocean’s temp to rise. In the last ten years, the ocean has risen by one degree, compared to 3 degrees in the last 100 years. Since ambient ocean temps rise due to absorption of Co2, it is entirely logical to suggest that the temps have risen dramatically as of late due to rising Co2. There has also been much more acidity in the ocean in the last 10-15 years, another result of Co2 absorption and increasing acidity levels in rainwater.
Even a tiny rise in Co2 can have drastic effects on the Earth, as we’ve seen with rising and warming ocean levels. Whales have stopped giving birth in the lagoon-like conditions esat of the Baja Peninsula and have moved to open seas since the water is now too warm in Baja for them. This exposes them to all sorts of predators that are not in Baja. Shit, a one degree shift in the Earth’s temp in either direction may not sound like much, but it’s enough to change the entire way we live. In California, a one-inch rise would funnel massive amounts of water through the Bay and flood most of the Delta area and possibly even Sacramento(which is below sea level). Coastal flooding would occur which would lead to massive erosion along cliffs and shorelines.
Hurricanes are not a self-cooling mechanism. They simply occur when there is a large difference between the air’s and the water’s surface temp. These conditions are met at the same time of year in various areas. The coriolis effect is what allows the storm to move and accelerate and is also why storms move in the same direction above the equator and the opposite direction below it.
There is such a thing as green technology; there is no such thing as entirely waste-free energy. However nuclear energy has the potential to be 99.5% waste-free and has the potential to be created by burning existing nuclear waste as a fuel source. It’s being worked on right now at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
The real issue here is that the science clearly indicates that global warming is occurring right now but people seem to treat this as a political discussion. Sure, the globe warming is cyclical in nature, but the cycle taking place now is happening at an alarmingly accelerated pace that coincides with an equally accelerating global population. But it can be slowed down. Humans can make changes to their lifestyles that will enable our stay here to be longer. Look at California right before the EPA was formed. The lakes, rivers, coastlines, and air quality are all much better here now than it was 30-40 years ago, even though the state’s population has grown immensely. This is due to “green” legislature. This warming happening right now is cyclical in nature, but we humans are part of that cycle.
When my parents were growing up, people used to dump all their used motor oil into gutters and so on. When people started to realize that this shit was fucking up the waterways and oceans, lots of people thought it was ridiculous to stop dumping oil and doubted the science behind it, but now dumping oil is ridiculous and we all understand why, even before this BP oil spill. 10-20 years down the road, we’ll all look back at this and think how stupid we were to doubt the staggering amount of studies and evidence that indicate global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate and that the rate can be slowed down thru human intervention.[/quote]
Hurricanes are a cooling mechanism for the Earth, look it up.
A few years ago it was CO as the prime indicator for GW, then CFC’s, now it’s CO2. Well, every animal that lives produces CO2, volcanoes produce CO2, streams and rivers produce CO2 and yet, there is very little present. On top of that CO2 is very heavy, and does not exactely rise to to the highest levels of the atmosphere where said greenhouse effect is occuring. It’s the same problematic fact that derailed to whole CFC issue. The molocules are heavy and they sink, not rise.
Fill a balloon with CO2 and see where it goes…Strait to the floor.
Climate change happens. Big deal. Nothing ever stays the same and nothing ever will. Man is small issue to it. Further, we are animals to, so we are natural and what we do is natural.
Green energy is just pollution transfer. It moves it from where you can see it, to where you can’t.
The Kyoto protocol for instance, just moved all the polluting industries from Europe and Asia to Africa and poorer Asian counties. No less pollution, just moved it somewhere else.
The sun is hotter right now, the Earth changes temperature constantly. Sometimes it’s gradual sometimes it spikes, but it always changes.
GW science is flawed at best and even if perfect fails to prove the manmade link. It infers it, sort of. Not enough for me to where an environmental hair shirt. I’ll pollute with my internal combustion engine and you pollute with your electric chemical factory…Hell even if you kill yourself, you still pollute, decomposition releases a lot of CO2. You can win, but here’s the good new, you aren’t in control.[/quote]
You know what? You’re right. Your logic is flawless. That’s why I never wipe my ass; it’ll just get shitty again anyways and it’s a natural process. In fact, it’s unnatural to wipe my ass. I’ll stop showering too since I’ll just get dirty again anyways. At least I’ll cut back on water consumption this way.[/quote]
I am pleased that you agree.