I’ve seen much worse without so much as a shrug from Chris. I say label away.
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5-10mg max per day. Off cycle needs to be at least as long as on cycle. There may not need to be PCT but liver needs time to recover. Check some other forums that have more women competitors, not many here, but again that’s from competitors. I have some friends (not my Mrs) who’ve taken Var and competed, masculinization occurred in any I’ve know at 20mg and over. They all regret it. Not knocking you for asking about your Mrs because we all think these things are ok for us to do, so I understand the questions, but I agree with everyone else, damage will be done at those levels.
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Why would this be the wrong thread? What are you looking?
Women respond very well with 10 milligrams. The idea is to use at a bar short-term. The reason for this is to avoid any potential side effects. If you say 20 mg is reasonable for women then to me it’s obvious that you haven’t done much research Beyond perhaps the first article you’ve come across just saying. I personally have experience with anavar and my girl and she responded extremely well to it at 10 mg without any side effects.
Now if the goal is to be Beyond a swimsuit model or a fitness model. By all means go ahead and suggest taking 20 plus milligrams and enjoy butt muscle gain! Now it’s not to say that you will or won’t develop masculine features everyone’s different and responds differently but the majority of people would agree that 20 + mg can be detrimental and a huge risk to develop facial hair and all the other negative side effects that women try to stay away from.
If this is the case that you accept these issues then you may as well jump in with both feet and do a real cycle of testosterone Winstrol anavar Etc.
By the way, education means nothing if you can’t apply the knowledge that you’ve gained. Trust me I’ve been in healthcare 22 years and witness more than ever 60 to 70% of medical professionals that have absolutely 0 business even being in healthcare! I have Physicians that consult me and as well I consult with. But posting the fact that you have numerous degrees in nutrition Etc and are asking people in a forum about things that are relative 2 The Chemical pathophysiologic aspects of taking pharmacologic influencers on the human body surprises me at your resistance do understand that chemicals and nutrition can a effect people differently. You of all people should know however that it’s better to err on the side of caution been to resist opinions and help but people are trying to give you. Best of luck!
My mrs is wanting to tone up and lose some body fat
I would hope that the two of you have attempted a “natural” methodology to achieve your goal and that it has failed.
Now I know that unsolicited advice is seldom appreciated, but IMO there is no good reason to take pharmaceuticals unless your goal is competition, or you’re auditioning for a movie role.
I do recall a woman who became fairly successful in bodybuilding competitions that started taking just Nolvadex (so she said) and lost her “saddlebags.” She later got involved with steroids and put on quite a bit of muscle.
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40mg (10mg 4x a day)?
Probably run it for 12-14 weeks???
It’s pretty arrogant of you to say that you know 50 times more than a general practitioner. And you also state that you have a diploma in PT! Which at first I thought you meant physical therapist but then you say you got a diploma in physical training.
If you’re a physical trainer and you want your woman to lose somebody fat and tone up, then you must suck as a physical trainer! Especially if you can give personal attention to your significant other and you’re having to resort to anabolic steroids to achieve goals that you clearly know nothing about! Who the hell would put a woman on 40 mg per day like you state just to lose some body fat and turn up a little bit? I can’t believe that you made such a statement and brag about being educated 50 times more than a general practitioner! People here are trying to help you but clearly you seem to have some attitude I need to defend your statements that were very clear. Or maybe you have a problem communicating being so educated As You Are. Either way do whatever the hell you want to do and tell your girl that you seem 2 influence on what she should and should not do. This is incredible because you literally shamed someone on here about doing the same thing with their woman and having control over her. Your behavior and comments seem irrational and most of us should have the better aspects of intelligent to realize that you are a lost cause! Good luck with everything hopefully you wise up sincerely. Ultimately it sounds to me like you need to put her fat ass on a treadmill and have her quit eating crappy Foods. But hey you know this because you’re a physical trainer and 50 times smarter than a general practitioner right?
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Men are less risk averse. Women more on average. Maybe the couple above is an example of a less risk averse man and a lazy woman (doesn’t want to research, doesn’t want to lose it naturally). That would explain it. I think everybody should make up their own minds on AAS use. But I can’t count how many times a woman who was scared of the drug the doctor prescribed came to me for advice. Men don’t do that (at least I never had that case). Also men don’t take their fucking pills, women are more compliant. Men and women do have their problems when it comes to medicine and medication. So I think you’re right, only you can decide if you want to take the risk so nobody else is to blame if it goes side-ways.
I pity OP because he’ll get the blame when this shit goes wrong. Rightfully so.
Edit: I reread this and saw that there was no point made in the entire paragraph. Maybe had to catch up because of my 10 word post above
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I really hope you listen to the advice given about the above. I think you are going to end up with your Mrs. upset at you, and not the type of upset that goes away in a week. If she ends up with a deeper voice, she is justified in not forgiving you. Please use caution. This isn’t your body you are messing with, it is your significant other’s. You are not as smart or knowledgeable as you think (this is common, that people don’t understand their own intellect or competency and over estimate it).
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I completely agree with you, except for this:
This guy is a total tool bag, I feel bad for his probably unsuspecting wife/girlfriend (who knows what she is as he referred to her as both). He’s probably wrecked her self-esteem and she’s going to take whatever her “highly educated trainer” boyfriend/husband gives her.
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It isn’t necessarily a toxic relationship (hm maybe literally though) because it could just be mount stupid in action. But a man must change course if he sees he’s wrong to protect those who trust in him. OP ignores the warnings and puts his protégée at risk.
@djdc don’t be stubborn. We here are harsh when we see such big mistakes being made. But don’t let the tone misdirect you from the content. We want to help you.
Go to @ironbunny s thread. She’s a good example of what you could do with less risk and what you should be looking out for.
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I’m not even going to correct or explain all the stupid stuff you said. It’s just too much energy on my end (like talking to a wall).
A - you have no idea what women talk about when they’re naked on a table having a beauty therapy session (from another woman… who has been friends for years). They talk about way more intimate things than just their clits lol.
B- if by ignorant you mean “going off scientific research and multiple people’s personal experience”, than yes. I’m ignorant AF.
That’s all I’ve got to say without going back line by line and explaining with paragraphs is just too much for what it’s worth. You don’t believe in science or reaction or chemicals/hormones to the body then as I said, it’s like talking to a wall.
Thanks for your input
I definitely posted this in the wrong area
This is going to be good…
@djdc
If you have scientific research - post the article links, that’s easily verifiable. People’s personal experience is marginal at best as inherently, only the “good stories” get told.
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@djdc I haven’t been on this forum long, but pretty much all of the regulars on here will absolutely change their stance if you can show proof they are wrong. They’re all open minded like that
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This sounds so familiar. Seems to be a new method to ignore someone’s points. “You don’t believe in science because you’re not of the same opinion as I am!” I don’t know what people these days think what science is but it is disagreeing all the time and trying to prove ones point or to find out if the other guy is right indeed. That’s why there is no such point to be made about nearly every topic where people make it. You don’t agree with him that’s it.
Also please do. Either we learn from it or you do or both.
Also don’t give a chick 20 mg a day.
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If you are so knowledgeable, how come your reaction when your Mrs wants to “tone up and lose some fat” is to take drugs???
Do you really think you need var for these easy goals? I really hope diet and training are dialed in first. Also rofl at 40 mg see you in a few weeks crying
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I’ve been a woman for 41 years, and have never had this sort of experience, I’ve really missed out on some things!
I stand by my earlier comment, this guy is a total tool bag.
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djdc, let me take you at your word. I like your confidence. Why not putting a little skin in the game?
Post us a “before” picture of your girl friend now. Then an “after” picture at the end of your experiment. Impress us with your know how.
100% agree.
Go post it at Evo. The smooth brains over there are probably more your speed.
Nope, you definitely posted in the right area. Your ego is just getting in the way of your education. Ironic, since just 48 hours ago, you flat-out stated: “My body is more important to me than my ego. So if I don’t know, I’ll ask.”
Why doesn’t that apply here, exactly? Because you were hoping for some IFBB pros to answer? (Quick note: Trying to edit a thread’s first post to bitch and complain about the dozens of posts worth of advice you received is a no-go.)
Weird how you had no problem getting advice for yourself in several threads and you were super-appreciative, but in this one, when people said you were giving bad advice to your GF, there’s no possible way those people were right.
My suggestion is to take a breath and a quick bite of humble pie, then dive back in here with an understanding that there are many, many, many people who know more about anabolics than you do… and several of them have posted in this thread.
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