I wish it were this simple…
relativism is a bitch
I think we need to demand Jews give up this title. Lest we allow everyone their supremacist views.
This seems like a major exacerbater in cross ethnic affairs especially in Israel. It would be difficult to share land as a Muslim with people who think they have the divine right to EVERYTHING.
It IS this simple.
When someone tries to command or even kill you, he will almost always be convinced of his higher motives. Which tend to blur, since it’s really just about the same thing: sex, power, violence etc.(I’m not sure if I should strike the etc.?!)
Of course, in a society like ours, where we largely agree that you can think/follow/endorse pretty much every stupid idea that you want unless you don’t force it down other people’s throats-
pretty much most ideas lose their meaning
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I think we need to demand Jews give up this title. Lest we allow everyone their supremacist views.
This seems like a major exacerbater in cross ethnic affairs especially in Israel. It would be difficult to share land as a Muslim with people who think they have the divine right to EVERYTHING.[/quote]
Poll: 68% of Jews would refuse to live in same building as an Arab
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=697458&contrassID=1&subContrassID=7
I’m surprised it is’nt 100%.
Who wants to live with someone who wants to kill you
Religion causing arguments and racism…WOW, didn’t see this coming.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
I think we need to demand Jews give up this title. Lest we allow everyone their supremacist views.
This seems like a major exacerbater in cross ethnic affairs especially in Israel. It would be difficult to share land as a Muslim with people who think they have the divine right to EVERYTHING.
Poll: 68% of Jews would refuse to live in same building as an Arab
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=697458&contrassID=1&subContrassID=7[/quote]
Jews were persecuted, no question of that; happened in my own family.
Turning that persecution around is plainly wrong and not as God commanded. However, the world IS evil so Zionism is understandable, though not commendable.
I can say this because I’m in a comfortable and protected environment — a bunch of 19 year old kids make sure I can say these things. If I were in Israel, I’d probably want to bomb Palestine just for starters.
Er… I’ve never met a religious man (or woman) who didn’t think their people were God’s chosen.
Seriously, is there some religion out there that claims it’s WRONG, and that everyone who wants to be special should go join up with someone ELSE?
(PS: Not saying this is immoral, just saying comparing it to the term “master race” is fucking ridiculous).
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
While Jews or every religion can claim as much as they want, it’s perfectly OK, as long as their claims are limited to the divine.
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It bothers me in that it is not reserved exclusively for application to the realm of the divine but is applied politically by Zionism.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Comparing Nazis to Jews is very silly though. There are plenty of races or nations which think of themselves as masters of the universe. Look at Japanese or American nationalism.[/quote]
Yes, but there is something about getting God’s decree that makes one feel particularly righteous and exempt from any standard of ethics. We can see this tendancy among some of the adherents to all the major religions today (Buddhism being the possible exception).
[quote]lixy wrote:
Look at Japanese or American nationalism.[/quote]
Wait til you see Chinese nationalism. Talk about a people (at least a certain portion of the population) who thinks they are the Master Race. The Chinese have EVERYBODY beat on that count.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Er… I’ve never met a religious man (or woman) who didn’t think their people were God’s chosen.
Seriously, is there some religion out there that claims it’s WRONG, and that everyone who wants to be special should go join up with someone ELSE?
(PS: Not saying this is immoral, just saying comparing it to the term “master race” is fucking ridiculous).[/quote]
Jainism. Read Pookie’s link about the Jains of India. Man, if most of the world was like this, the word ‘war’ probably wouldn’t exist.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
lixy wrote:
Look at Japanese or American nationalism.
Wait til you see Chinese nationalism. Talk about a people (at least a certain portion of the population) who thinks they are the Master Race. The Chinese have EVERYBODY beat on that count.
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Yeah, most of the world believes that human beings evolved in Africa and populated the rest of the world in immigration waves.
Not the Chinese. For them, human beings originated in China.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Er… I’ve never met a religious man (or woman) who didn’t think their people were God’s chosen.
Seriously, is there some religion out there that claims it’s WRONG, and that everyone who wants to be special should go join up with someone ELSE?
(PS: Not saying this is immoral, just saying comparing it to the term “master race” is fucking ridiculous).
Jainism. Read Pookie’s link about the Jains of India. Man, if most of the world was like this, the word ‘war’ probably wouldn’t exist.
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Neither would the word “barbecue.” What a sad world that would be =(
Oops, I guess not so different after all…
Charedi Rabbis Rush To Disavow Anti-Gentile Book
Leaders of the country’s most prominent ultra-Orthodox yeshiva are scrambling to distance themselves from a book by one of their disciples, which argues that gentiles are “completely evil” and Jews constitute a separate, genetically superior species…
http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/na-forward-12-19-03/index.html
Ultra-Orthodox Officials Go To Bat for Anti-Gentile Book
A leading ultra-Orthodox organization has launched a campaign to shift attention from a controversial book on Jewish superiority, choosing instead to attack the Forward’s reporting on it.
http://www.forward.com/articles/ultra-orthodox-officials-go-to-bat-for-anti-gentil/
Chinese workers in Israel sign no-sex contract
Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.
Colored tags for Arabs’ luggage at Ben Gurion airport discontinued
Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz announced on Tuesday that Ben Gurion International Airport security would no longer mark the luggage belonging to non-Jews with colored tags, in order to spare these passengers embarrassment.
Instead, Mofaz explained, the luggage of non-Jewish passengers will be stamped with the same color sticker as the Jewish passengers, only with a different number…
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/890855.html
Experiments on elderly echo Nazis
JERUSALEM- Three Israeli doctors are under arrest over illegal experiments on thousands of patients, including an elderly concentration camp survivor who narrowly escaped being a victim of the Nazi doctor Josef Mengele.
These human trials involving mostly old and mentally disturbed patients - some of whom died - echo those in the Auschwitz concentration camp in World War II.
Berta Wiesel, 83, was among the dead. She was sent to Auschwitz from Ukraine and forced to part from her twin sister to escape Mengele’s experiments. [the definition of IRONY]
Four top doctors arrested over illegal human experimentation
According to the report, some doctors received promotions, both in their professional and academic careers, on the basis of the illegal tests.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/772409.html
Israeli doctors experimented on children
At one hospital, staff pierced children’s eardrums to apply an experimental medication yet to be approved in any country.
Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away…
In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team’s research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.
Marzel to beauty queen: Don’t marry a goy
In the letter, Marzel begged Aberjil to think of her grandparents, Jewish tradition and the Israeli Torah. “The greatest danger to our people is assimilation! I urge you in the last minute not to make this move,” he wrote…
“If you wish to be informed of the dangers associated with marrying gentiles, I am leaving you my cell phone number. Please call me any time and I shall help you.”
Intermarriage and Jewish Survival
Torah explicitly forbids intermarriage (Deuteronomy 7:3-4). Socializing with non-Jews is frowned upon as shown by the prohibition of drinking the wine of the non-Jews (Talmud: Avodah Zarah 36b) and eating bread made by the non-Jews (Code of Jewish Law: “Yoreh De’ah” 112)
Not Jewish enough to marry a Cohen
Irina Plotnikov cannot marry the man she loves, Shmuel Cohen, even though she is Jewish according to halakha (Jewish religious law). A rabbinic court in Jerusalem ruled recently that even though Plotnikov is Jewish, she is not eligible to marry a Cohen since her father is not Jewish. According to Jewish tradition, people with the surname Cohen are descendants of the priests that served in the Temple in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago…
Since civil marriage and non-Orthodox religious marriage in Israel are not legally recognized, the sole option remaining to the couple is to wed overseas…
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=541829
Duped by the only “democracy” in the Middle East…
Bishops equate Israel’s actions to Holocaust
Hours after historic visit to Jerusalem holocaust museum, group of German bishops tour Palestinian Authority, say Israel behaving like Nazis
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=487412
Israeli Rabbis to Shun Christian Event
There has been a growing alliance in recent years between right-wing Israeli groups and some evangelical Christians who believe Jews must return to the biblical Land of Israel to facilitate a Second Coming of Christ.
The Israeli government has forged close ties with conservative American Christians, and evangelical groups have contributed millions of dollars to Israel. These Christian groups oppose territorial concessions to the Palestinians, who want to establish a state in areas Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast War…
At a time when Israel is under threat of attack from Iran and other sources of radical Islam, it should not alienate Christians who “are the most important ally against this danger,” said Elon…
His group estimated the Sukkot event would infuse as much as $18 million into the local economy…
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3641143
[quote]“It is fortunate for the Jews generally that the Jewish Press does not circulate very widely among Gentiles, for it is probably the one established agency in the United States which, without altering its program in the least, could stir up anti-Jewish sentiment by the very simple expedient of a general reading among non-Jews. Jewish writers writing for Jewish-readers present unusual material for the study of race consciousness and its accompaniment of contempt for other races.”[/quote]
–Henry Ford
I personally find the most blatant racism today is the racism from arabs (specifically muslim arabs) towards jews. Because arabs aren’t white they aren’t criticised in the media for being anti-semitic.
If the jews really controlled the media wouldn’t there be widespread condemnation of the anti-semitic views that seem all too common amoung muslim arabs?
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Maybe you should post a little less in the future and listen more to your teachers.
Obviously, the difference lies in applied consequence.
While Jews or every religion can claim as much as they want, it’s perfectly OK, as long as their claims are limited to the divine.
Do they really bother you that much when they imply you won’t have a good seat in their idea of afterlife?
The Nazis didn’t just make claims, they made others bear the consequences of their ideas.
Because they thought themselves superiour to Jews like men are to rats and roaches, it was acceptable and even required to exterminate them.
Every religous, semi-religous or philosphical idea you may come up with can be as weird as it gets, as long as you don’t force it or it’s consequences onto others,
I understand what you’re getting at.
But supremacism in any format is volatile, except in modern era when applied to minorities.
If the Spanish were to write texts on how they are God’s chosen race, in the same way Judaism holds their concept true, then there would be great controversy surrounding the subject.
It seems like an contradictory assertion. In fact the German’s during the 1930s, claiming to be the master race, may have even been reactionary to their jewish population’s assertion.
I just find both statements equally abhorrent, I don’t draw a line between the two.[/quote]
Well Japanese still think that they are the “superior” race and that Japan is the “best land”…
What I tried to imply with my statement is that at some point in time all races come to think of themselves as “master”…it is just a matter of time.
China 2015???
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
And Jews Are God’s Chosen People…
In class today, we were talking about supremacism, and the Professor cited this as an example. I asked her, why it was considered volatile that the Nazis claimed they were the Master Race when the Jews continue to claim they were God’s Chosen People.
What is the difference here?
Does anyone else see a blatant contradiction.[/quote]
The difference is that the Nazis were losers.
Had Nazi Germany actually won WW2, all of their actions would have been deemed good, just and right.
The Jews did not make the mistake of losing in an exceptionally clear cut manner so far. Even losing 90% of its numbers would have been inconsequential in the long run.
They are wide spread and found in large concentrations in various countries all over the globe, similar in nature to viruses, terrorist cells and franchises which could concievably, survive even the total destruction of its “HQ”, Jerusalem.
The Jew is actually a more advanced form of entity/identity than Nazi Germany.
The Nazi German, like the Jew, is identified also by race, it also had a nation of statehood (Fatherland, the Holy Land) and is largely indoctrinated, by State by the Nazi and the Jewish people for the Jew.
The key difference though, is centralization.
Nazi Germany had a leader, a central figure called Adolph Hitler whose policies and system of government gave him totalitariam power at the cost of flexibility, and a identifiable/vulnerable command structure.
The Jews on the other hand, lacked this centralized structure and much like the dominican order (or some other order, I can’t tell Christains appart) during the Dark Ages, could concievably flourish again as long as a single cell, a single Rabbi survived to continue the teachings/indoctrination.
Also, at the critical point, we must not overlook the assistance of a large, militarily powerful, rich and friendly regim that had political differences with the Nazi’s concept of Superiority.
The last part helps because as shown by the Anti-Anti-Semitism movement, there is not an inconsequential pressure by a large and powerful force to give the “Master Race” Nazi Germans no rest, no refuge, no support or succor.
Contrast this with the treatement of the Jews, who were granted asylum by the USA (for reasons I am unclear of).
Concievably, it should be possible for Nazism to resurface (assuming a rebel/breakaway cell managed to survive this long) if the persecution of them would to disappear and they could find a stable base to draw new recriuts and recive ample support.
However, given that the Nazi Movement is without funds, without friends and without the power to threaten anything with violence, its mighty slim odds of that happening.
Its natural to heap blame and scorn upon a losing entity, as it would help absolve others from the wrath of the powerful who were its enemies.
And consequently, it is natural to offer sympathy and well wishes to a winning entity, or its allies/pets in order to secure its patronage/support.
[quote]lixy wrote:
There are plenty of races or nations which think of themselves as masters of the universe. Look at Japanese or American nationalism.[/quote]
Or you can just look to your closest mahdi-led militia. Be they brandishing scimitars or AK-47’s, it makes no difference. When one supposes that all others not of your faith (or societal mores) are less than human, debasement, derision, pain and suffering aren’t far in the future.
Islam, for example, is ripe with potential.