Difficult to imagine a trans-woman being elected before a cis-woman.
My hypothetical, my rules. 
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Fair enough. She would be celebrated as both–first woman, first trans-individual.
In your (ludicrous) hypothetical, the eventual election of a cis-woman would be considered a milestone of trivial significance–like electing the first left-handed person, say.
You’re getting caught up in the likelihoods and the probabilities of it happening. That’s not the point. The point is whether that person deserves to be treated as a woman, no strings attached, in the wide world of acceptance and accomplishments by women.
I have a very hard time imagining women of all political outlooks being willing to call that person the first woman president. And I think even the ones who lean towards maybe doing it would only do so with an asterisk beside that person’s name, a caveat to the accomplishment.
I personally would not consider that person the first woman president on the basis that it wouldn’t be true.
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Shh. That’s Mr. Jingles. Him’s a circus mouse.
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You say I can’t disprove god, well I don’t have to prove a negative. And just as that belief is rooted in irrationality by definition, you accuse the transgender of mental illness for what you consider an irrational belief. Also, you can’t disprove how a transgender person feels. Just as I can’t disprove what you feel is god. That is reality and judging by your post, you don’t like it.
What if no one knew she was transgender? If it came out half way through her presidency would it change things. I mean, if she was considered a woman by voters then in a way they elected a woman.
You missed my point about how God is outside the scope of the scientific method.
However, we can actually falsify Bob’s new claim that he’s now a woman. Your sudden line in the sand at the dating/marriage question gave away that you recognize this.
Feelings? Again, religious people very often claim to feel the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, or whatever happens to be part of their lexicon. You don’t then say “Oh well, there you go. It must be true. The sky fairy is real, sorry if I suggested he isn’t to you.” wink wink nudge nudge, “Hope he doesn’t kill himself”
Seems like your marriage answer already answers this too. There is a difference.even you recognize. You’re relying on “yeah ok, there’s major differences (I wouldn’t marry one) , but (wink wink nudge nudge) let’s play along so they won’t kill themselves.”
Or, do you want to change your answer to the marriage question?
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Things that make you say hmmmmm.
OMG! That’s friggin’ hilarious… Truly, I almost choked…
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I don’t accept number 1 simply because it’s so stifling. How do you have a conversation when right out of the gate, you risk offending someone?
We can self-define all we want. Other people will make their own judgments too. What we cannot reasonably expect, is for people to read each others’ mind.
Another aspect to this, is that one of the things that permeates human kind, whether or not that human is privy to contacts with other humans, such as tribes in the Amazon or Africa, is that gender norms across the board fall down along the male\ female line.
So either everybody managed to get the memo, or this is a pretty natural division across human kind.
If you want to be recognized as something other than what you naturally appear to be, where a sign, or a name tag so we know what to refer to you as.
I think the part that irks a lot of people, is the expectation that we are supposed to know you identify differently than how you look. And when you correct them, they think at best you’re a prude at worst a moron.
I am on it!
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Sorry. A thread already existed, but I bumped it up for you…
How are you and Mr. Jingles going to do that?
I agree with Sloth. You cannot assume that is not offensive. Surely somebody is likely to be offended no matter how delicate your approach.
What I think we need to decide is what we put value on. Is the ultimate crime against humanity giving offense? It’s the notion that not offending people is the ultimate goal except it’s impossible to accomplish. No matter what you say, somebody is going to be offended. And if you managed not to offend people, than you didn’t say much of anything at all.
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If his penis isn’t convincing, his Y Chromosome would do?
The point is that it IS a falsifiable hypothesis, regardless of whether or not the mouse and I would carry out the test.
Oh yeah, that’s the problem. It’s not avoiding direct questions and turning to ad hominem attacks that’s the problem, it’s those damn, silly “believers”.
So just so I am clear about what you think. You agree with the standard post modernist interpretation that all our characteristics are determined, arbitrarily, by society and are not actually a physical reality?
So penis = male, no penis = female? You sure about that?
This person has a Y chromosome–and before you ask, has never undergone any sort of cosmetic surgery. Does that make this person male in your eyes? (Mods: Medical photo not posted for titillation purposes)
Literally no one believes that.