You do realize military servicemen take an oath to defend The American Constitution, not The American Family, right?[/quote]
The former cannot and will not function and is in fact not functioning without the latter. The fact that people will be looking cross eyed at their monitor wondering what on Earth I’m talking about does not bode well for the future of this nation. I’ve gone into why in great detail elsewhere.[/quote]
Okay. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ll keep this in mind when I read the rest of your posts on this forum.[/quote]
Fair enough
LOL at civilians giving their opinions on “Don’t ask don’t tell”.
Obviously, most of you have no idea what this is all about in real life.
The biggest factor, realistically, is living quarters. If you are too thick to grasp this, or understand it, I’ll give you a little hint: there’s no such thing as same-sex barracks. Think it through. If you still don’t get it, you probably shouldn’t be posting in PWI to begin with.
Obviously, most of you have no idea what this is all about in real life. [/quote]
Oh, yes we do.
It’s about the all-too-obvious latently homosexual, hyper-masculine homophobes not wanting to “accidentally” catch the gay.[/quote]
Umm…have you actually ever been in the military? If so, you would know that’s a blatant lie. Either that, or things have changed a LOT since you were in.
Myself, and virtually EVERY other Marine I know don’t have a problem with whether other Marines are gay or not. So I’ll have to assume you’re one of the people that didn’t get my point in my previous post.
I’m with H4M, if you’re not in the military, stfu about this topic, it doesn’t remotely affect you.
I’m not in the American Army, but I can tell you, if anyone I’m serving with is gay, I’d really have no problem with it and I can’t see it affecting morale. AT ALL.
I don’t think you guys know what morale is other than what you read out of the dictionary. You get low morale from shitty food (and after a while shitty food ceases to phase you), wet socks and little sleep, not from some dude’s sexual orientation.
The biggest change would be living quarters. Agreeing with Hungry.
However, in the Army, MOST of the men that I have come in contact with are VERY homophobic, and ignorant.
And they do assume that the HOMO’s are going to be staring at them and raping them.
Give me a break, get over yourself.
What these people fail to realize is that when DADT get’s lifted, or revised, all it will mean in reality, is a lot of gay men and women coming out, getting married, getting paid, and LIVING LIKE YOU BREADERS HAVE GOTTEN TO ALL ALONG.
Sorry, minor outbreak. Being in the army, in the closet, isn’t fun.
Obviously, most of you have no idea what this is all about in real life. [/quote]
Oh, yes we do.
It’s about the all-too-obvious latently homosexual, hyper-masculine homophobes not wanting to “accidentally” catch the gay.[/quote]
Umm…have you actually ever been in the military? If so, you would know that’s a blatant lie. Either that, or things have changed a LOT since you were in. [/quote]
Oh, so the Corps is accepting of queers now? Interesting.
[quote]melanieamber12 wrote:
The biggest change would be living quarters. Agreeing with Hungry.
However, in the Army, MOST of the men that I have come in contact with are VERY homophobic, and ignorant.
And they do assume that the HOMO’s are going to be staring at them and raping them.
Give me a break, get over yourself.
What these people fail to realize is that when DADT get’s lifted, or revised, all it will mean in reality, is a lot of gay men and women coming out, getting married, getting paid, and LIVING LIKE YOU BREADERS HAVE GOTTEN TO ALL ALONG.
Sorry, minor outbreak. Being in the army, in the closet, isn’t fun.
_Mel[/quote]
My experience as well. Blatant homophobia with a rationale of “Just 'cause”. I’ve met some others that are normal, good people while in that were the opposite too. My guess would be that the military population is split just like the civilian population on this.
[quote]brnforce wrote:
My guess would be that the military population is split just like the civilian population on this.[/quote]
Well what do you expect…military people are just civilians in uniform, with a separate set of rules to live by. Doesn’t change their basic, individual beliefs…
Obviously, most of you have no idea what this is all about in real life. [/quote]
Oh, yes we do.
It’s about the all-too-obvious latently homosexual, hyper-masculine homophobes not wanting to “accidentally” catch the gay.[/quote]
Umm…have you actually ever been in the military? If so, you would know that’s a blatant lie. Either that, or things have changed a LOT since you were in. [/quote]
Oh, so the Corps is accepting of queers now? Interesting.[/quote]
Yes they do. This is the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” thing people have been going on about in this thread: Gays are allowed to serve in the military granted they don’t tell anyone they are gay, and the military isn’t allowed to ask them. This was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993, as I mentioned in a previous post that I made in this very thread.
For reference, that means it’s pretty much a given that there are gays holding at least the rank of staff sergeant in the marines, and it’s likely that there are even senior gay enlisted marines.
I am a military officer and H4M is on point. The issue isn’t some moral dilemma. Its much more practical than that.
-Soldier sharing a room with a gay Soldier… bad for morale
-Gay Soldier gets his/her own room because they are gay… terrible for morale
-Gay soldier sharing showers with other Solders… bad for morale
-Gay soldiers (possibly 1 gay Soldier) getting special shower… terrible for morale (and potentially epically expensive)
Be as gay as you want just keep it to yourself on duty and around military personnel. Not to mention DADT is protective of gays. You might be fine coming out as a clinic medic or corpsman (those of you who serve know exactly who I mean) BUT coming out in the in an Inf Division on as a combat marine might be bad for your well being. I don’t condone it, but it happens.
[quote]MilSpec105 wrote:
I am a military officer and H4M is on point. The issue isn’t some moral dilemma. Its much more practical than that.
-Soldier sharing a room with a gay Soldier… bad for morale
-Gay Soldier gets his/her own room because they are gay… terrible for morale
-Gay soldier sharing showers with other Solders… bad for morale
-Gay soldiers (possibly 1 gay Soldier) getting special shower… terrible for morale (and potentially epically expensive)
Be as gay as you want just keep it to yourself on duty and around military personnel. Not to mention DADT is protective of gays. You might be fine coming out as a clinic medic or corpsman (those of you who serve know exactly who I mean) BUT coming out in the in an Inf Division on as a combat marine might be bad for your well being. I don’t condone it, but it happens.[/quote]
Well worded. I didn’t feel like breaking it down barney style, but that’s it.
[quote]MilSpec105 wrote:
I am a military officer and H4M is on point. The issue isn’t some moral dilemma. Its much more practical than that.
-Soldier sharing a room with a gay Soldier… bad for morale
-Gay Soldier gets his/her own room because they are gay… terrible for morale
-Gay soldier sharing showers with other Solders… bad for morale
-Gay soldiers (possibly 1 gay Soldier) getting special shower… terrible for morale (and potentially epically expensive)
Be as gay as you want just keep it to yourself on duty and around military personnel. Not to mention DADT is protective of gays. You might be fine coming out as a clinic medic or corpsman (those of you who serve know exactly who I mean) BUT coming out in the in an Inf Division on as a combat marine might be bad for your well being. I don’t condone it, but it happens.[/quote]
Dude. You’re missing the point.
…All of this is ALREADY happening.
Gay male soldiers are already sharing rooms, showers, quarters, with other male soldiers.
As are gay females sharing the same.
However currently we are ALL “straight”
If/when the DADT gets revised, people will actually be able to be gay, not just labeled “gay”
[quote]MilSpec105 wrote:
I am a military officer and H4M is on point. The issue isn’t some moral dilemma. Its much more practical than that.
-Soldier sharing a room with a gay Soldier… bad for morale
-Gay Soldier gets his/her own room because they are gay… terrible for morale
-Gay soldier sharing showers with other Solders… bad for morale
-Gay soldiers (possibly 1 gay Soldier) getting special shower… terrible for morale (and potentially epically expensive)
Be as gay as you want just keep it to yourself on duty and around military personnel. Not to mention DADT is protective of gays. You might be fine coming out as a clinic medic or corpsman (those of you who serve know exactly who I mean) BUT coming out in the in an Inf Division on as a combat marine might be bad for your well being. I don’t condone it, but it happens.[/quote]
I agree that having special privileges would be very bad for morale. Shoot, I know a lot of people who would have claimed they were gay if it meant they got their own room lol.
What about the people who are in the military right now that are gay? You can tell that a lot of them are gay just from being around them for a week, but you can’t say anything about it or you get reamed. If you’re quartered with them, you set up ground rules and then go on with your life. Showering is easy, everyone will go at a different time than someone who’s gay. It all is happening right now, and other than localized incidents there are no major problems.