Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
No God loves everyone, he hates sin.[/quote]

Then why don’t you support passing laws prohibiting women from speaking in public and requiring them to cover their heads, as very clearly required by the bible?

Oh, that’s right. The bible is outdated on gender inequality but it is still right when it comes to the gays.

All of which is beside the point, because your religious beliefs should no more be enshrined in federal laws than should the beliefs of people from a different religion than yourself.

[quote]Being homosexual is abnormal, being black, asian, indian, white, isn’t.
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During the heyday of the antimiscegenation laws, bible thumpers claimed that mixed race marriages were abnormal and were contrary to god’s will. What happened with that?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Well, I agree. But I do think it’s a valid question to ask whey unsafe sex is more prevalent in gay men. And not homophobic to try to stop it. [/quote]

I agree, wasn’t trying to say otherwise :slight_smile:

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Maybe not every single study was funded by gays, but I can bet that every single study was influenced by political correctness. [/quote]

It takes a lot of hubris to pit your education against the collective knowledge and experience of the entire medical and mental health community.

On your side, you have religion and/or preconceived notions about gays.

On the medical and mental health side, every major organization has conducted 35 years of research and reached the same conclusions regarding homosexuality.

Who do you expect people to believe? Seriously?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
So how can you tell me or anyone else I dont have to recognize gay marriage but I do have to contribute my dollars to support it?
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Because my tax dollars are being used to support your marriage. That doesn’t mean I approve of your marriage, nor do you need my approval in order to marry the person you love.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Good Lord - what is it with gay marriage advocates and a complete loss of common sense?
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God forbid that gays would actually want to be treated equally under the law when it comes to marrying the person they love.

Wake up. If you were so severely discriminated against, I think you would be singing a different tune.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
46and2AheadofMe wrote:
Lol with the passing of prop 8 we have to change the way our state constitution is written. That should be proof enough that it is unconstitutional. So those of you who voted yes are against the constitution and should be deported.

Changing the constitution is unconstitutional?

LMAO at the utter fucking stupidity from the militant gay-rights crowd.

You lost. The courts can’t change the rules for you this time.

Deal with it and move on. [/quote]

Change takes time, Rainjack. Trust that someday this issue will be on the same level of racial minorities being discriminated against.

Noone has lost shit. You deal with that.

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
pat wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
Uh, they have the same rights as anybody else, always have. I can’t marry a man either, I just don’t want to. Big deal…There was a ballot initiative, it lost every where it was presented. Tough shit. I have to deal with Obama, that’s my tough shit.

Your logic is flawed. People said the same thing back in the days of miscegenation laws:

“Blacks have the same rights as whites. They can marry someone of the same race just as whites can. What they want is SPECIAL RIGHTS, by being able to marry someone of a different race.”

Bullshit. You cannot possibly tell me that the oppression and discrimination that black people were put through and endured is anywhere near the gay experience. Where is it where gay people can’t vote because they are gay? Where is the gay section of the bus? where are the gay water fountains?
You are not a race, you just prefer to fuck men over women…I don’t give a damn that you do, but do tell me you deserve some sort of special consideration because that is your preference. It horseshit.

What’s horseshit is your concept of special consideration. Giving gays something that no one else in the country is entitled to is special consideration. Giving them something that every other person in the country has the right to is called ending discrimination of individuals merely because of their sexual orientation.

Should I write it out again with fewer words?
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You can if you want to but it will still be equally meaningless. There is no discrimination of gays. That is utterly ridiculous to equate the race struggles we had in this country with giving people special consideration for want fuck other people of the same sex. It’s an idiotic concept. Besides, it did make it on the ballot, it just lost. It was presented to the people, not the legislature and the people voted it down, which is further than something ridiculous like that should get.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Changing the constitution is unconstitutional? [/quote]

It’s not as black and white as you claim. A constitutional revision is different from a constitutional amendment. The revision requires a simply majority vote in California, which is a pretty low standard. To amend the constitution, the Legislature must first approve it before it is sent to the public for final approval. That is a higher standard, and rightfully so. That higher standard has not been met in California, and in all likelihood it will not be met since the Legislature has approved gay marriage in the past.

Beyond that, there is cause for challenging the vote on the basis of it conflicting with the equal protection clause of the constitution.

It’s not over yet, by a long shot. Regardless of what happens in California, we now have gay marriage in Massachusetts and Connecticut. New York recognizes gay marriages in other states, and it is likely they will pass a gay marriage law at some point. The tide has already turned in our country, but it will still take time to stamp out bigotry and discrimination just as it did with the mixed race laws that were on the books less than 100 years ago.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Good Lord - what is it with gay marriage advocates and a complete loss of common sense?

God forbid that gays would actually want to be treated equally under the law when it comes to marrying the person they love.

Wake up. If you were so severely discriminated against, I think you would be singing a different tune.
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Is it possible for a gay person ‘to love’? Are we redefining love now? Love springs, at least partially, from the innate desire to procreate.

Gay people cannot love, in the actual sense of the word.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Your logic is flawed. People said the same thing back in the days of miscegenation laws:

“Blacks have the same rights as whites. They can marry someone of the same race just as whites can. What they want is SPECIAL RIGHTS, by being able to marry someone of a different race.”

Bullshit. You cannot possibly tell me that the oppression and discrimination that black people were put through and endured is anywhere near the gay experience.[/quote]

What is so fucking hard to understand about this? I’m not quantifying the discrimination faced by gays to the discrimination faced by blacks or other minority groups.

I’m showing you the logical fallacy of your statement. Think about it for a minute before responding.

The point is that you can’t logically claim that blacks were asking for “special rights”, on the basis of them being able to marry someone of the same race just as whites could do.

In the same way, you can’t logically claim that gays are asking for “special rights”, on the basis of them being able to marry someone of the opposite sex just as heterosexuals can do.

Get it?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Everyone who follows this stuff knows that the APA was hijacked by the homosexuals and that not one single test was done to remove homosexuality from the list of “mental health” diseases. It was done because it was politically correct to do so. I’ve posted information on this before.
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You’re flat out lying again, troll. The APA provides a long list of research supporting their conclusions about homosexuality. Of course, every one of those studies was funded by the militant gays right?

Besides, you’re ignoring that it isn’t just the APA that has done this research. The American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, Surgeon General, National Assocation of Social Workers, American Psychiatric Association, etc. have all researched homosexuality for 35 years and have unanimously reached the same conclusions.

Pull your head out of your ass and realize that your preconceptions, stereotypes, and religious bias don’t qualify you to make educated decisions about what it means to be gay.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Gay people cannot love, in the actual sense of the word.
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I hereby declare this the stupidest statement so far in this thread.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Is it possible for a gay person ‘to love’? Are we redefining love now? Love springs, at least partially, from the innate desire to procreate.

Gay people cannot love, in the actual sense of the word.
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Do you love your mother, Headhunter?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
Your logic is flawed. People said the same thing back in the days of miscegenation laws:

“Blacks have the same rights as whites. They can marry someone of the same race just as whites can. What they want is SPECIAL RIGHTS, by being able to marry someone of a different race.”

Bullshit. You cannot possibly tell me that the oppression and discrimination that black people were put through and endured is anywhere near the gay experience.

What is so fucking hard to understand about this? I’m not quantifying the discrimination faced by gays to the discrimination faced by blacks or other minority groups.

I’m showing you the logical fallacy of your statement. Think about it for a minute before responding.

The point is that you can’t logically claim that blacks were asking for “special rights”, on the basis of them being able to marry someone of the same race just as whites could do.

In the same way, you can’t logically claim that gays are asking for “special rights”, on the basis of them being able to marry someone of the opposite sex just as heterosexuals can do.

Get it?
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No I don’t. Blacks were discriminated against in the with in the written law of the land. You are not. Nothing similar there. They were asking for the basic rights of all Americans, not special rights for black people.
The equation isn’t even close. You are not being discriminated against.
You can fly to Massachusetts or Connecticut to get married by the way, they passed it. Just buy a plane ticket and quit whining.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Everyone who follows this stuff knows that the APA was hijacked by the homosexuals and that not one single test was done to remove homosexuality from the list of “mental health” diseases. It was done because it was politically correct to do so. I’ve posted information on this before.

You’re flat out lying again, troll. The APA provides a long list of research supporting their conclusions about homosexuality. Of course, every one of those studies was funded by the militant gays right?

Besides, you’re ignoring that isn’t just the APA that has done this research. The American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, Surgeon General, National Assocation of Social Workers, American Psychiatric Association, etc. have all researched homosexuality for 35 years and have unanimously reached the same conclusions.

Pull your head out of your ass and realize that your preconceptions, stereotypes, and religious bias don’t qualify you to make educated decisions about what it means to be gay.
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No he is actually right,

You are wrong, from 1997-2002 I was in the pre-med neuroscince program as one of my double undergad majors and every text book and the DSM listed Homosexuality as a sexual deviance at that point.

Wuit using this argument you are wrong, it wasn’t until around 2003 that out LOBBYING it was changed.

And in no way try to compare this to the struggles of minorities and women in this country it is a completely different topic.

I mean besides the fact that some flaming homosexuals act like eccentric women.

seriously we don’t celebrate pedophilia or necrophilia, hy on earth should we celebrate this abnormal behavior.

And by pushing yourself on the rest of the popultion like this you are actually going to make more trouble for people that are sexually deviant.

In pushing gay/lesbian/transgender agendas you are going to turn the majoity of tolerant people in this nation over the edge, where they feel they can’t even be tolerant or accepting of you as a people.

And it will again become defined as a deviancy you will in the end paint yourself back into the proverbial box.

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[quote]pat wrote:
They were asking for the basic rights of all Americans, not special rights for black people.[/quote]

God, how can I make this any clearer?

You are saying that gays are asking for special rights BECAUSE they already have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

That is the IDENTICAL LOGIC TO saying that blacks were asking for special rights BECAUSE they already had the right to marry someone of the same race.

It’s about the logical fallacy, not about comparing gays with blacks. By your twisted logic, blacks already had the right to marry someone of the same race, so they were asking for special rights.

Texas doesn’t recognize gay marriages conducted in other states. I shouldn’t have to move to another state in order to have equal rights, and even if I did, I would still be denied all the federal rights that straight couples have.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
No God loves everyone, he hates sin.

Then why don’t you support passing laws prohibiting women from speaking in public and requiring them to cover their heads, as very clearly required by the bible?

Oh, that’s right. The bible is outdated on gender inequality but it is still right when it comes to the gays.

All of which is beside the point, because your religious beliefs should no more be enshrined in federal laws than should the beliefs of people from a different religion than yourself.

Being homosexual is abnormal, being black, asian, indian, white, isn’t.

During the heyday of the antimiscegenation laws, bible thumpers claimed that mixed race marriages were abnormal and were contrary to god’s will. What happened with that?
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Show me in the new testament where this is stated, that is the new covenant, I am not an orthodox jew.

Then those people were not sing their bibles correctly,

But like I said most people here aren’t interested in the christian argument so ge tover it.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
You are wrong, from 1997-2002 I was in the pre-med neuroscince program as one of my double undergad majors and every text book and the DSM listed Homosexuality as a sexual deviance at that point. [/quote]

Wrong, it was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder in 1973.

[b]Is homosexuality a mental disorder?

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras.

Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.[/b]

If you really expect people to ignore the collective conclusions of every major medical and mental health organization based on 35 years of research, you need to get a clue. Your preconceptions and religious bias don’t stand up to that.