[quote]harris447 wrote:
And…you do realize that the universe’s sense of humor can only respond to your homophobia by making members of your family flamingly gay, right?
[/quote]
I have trouble understanding how the Bush-Cheney ticket even got the religious votes when Cheney’s daughters are homosexuals.
One can only imagine the discoveries they made together growing up.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Please show me the data which demonstrates this assertion.[/quote]
I don’t have the time or inclination to try to prove it… and I wasn’t expecting you to accept it on face value, either. I just wanted you to understand that the study, by virtue of the way it changes the definitions of terms as they’ve generally been used in the argument, doesn’t really answer the assertion itself.
So even if I couldn’t find any data, your study doesn’t provide an alternative resource for those numbers.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
nephorm,
How is this study not clear to you?
“In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.”[/quote]
Zeb: I explained. Sexual orientation toward adults is a separate issue than the illness that drives adults to molest young children.
Again, a man could have a wife, kids, and a long history of heterosexual relationships with consenting adults. If he then molests a boy, based on the way this study defines ‘homosexual,’ he is a homosexual. My point is, therefore, that regardless of any political slant, this study [b]loses important data[/b].
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Now, who’s laughing:[/quote]
That would still be me…at you! 
[quote]Your information comes from a website called “Jesus is savior”
The “point” it tries to make s that homosexuals are monsters and kiddy-fuckers.
here’s the link, just so everyone knows what kind of “proof” your hate-filled ass depends on to make his point:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/homosexual_child_molesters.htm[/quote]
harris you never cease to amaze me. I am serious when I state that your stupidity knows no bounds!
Good for you for finding one web site that backs up the information that I found on a different web site.
That many web sites which are Christian oriented are stating these facts should not trouble you in the least. What other organizations in the politically correct world that we live in would have the temerity to state this information?
Either a Christian, or family based organization would be my guess.
But then you didn’t have much to say when I presented facts from the governments own CDC site relative to the amount of disease which is spread directly from the homosexal act and or lifestyle.
I suggest that you get busy and prove the information wrong rather than attack where it comes from. After all, it’s either accurate or it isn’t. And if it isn’t you can do us all a favor and prove that it isn’t.
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=71
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431
http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000011.asp
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/HomosexualChildMolestersUrban.pdf
There might just be plenty of facts that you don’t quite understand harris (or I’m the one who does not understand them. Either way I’m willing to post them). And plenty of web sites which seem to be making the same claim.
Are they all lying? Well it could be, but the information looks fairly solid to me.
Take a look and tell us all what you think of the various studies. I’ll post what seem to be the more convincing studies on another post.
[quote]Your only defenders are terribleivan, who no one even respnds to, and stevie, who is a lunatic.
And…you do realize that the universe’s sense of humor can only respond to your homophobia by making members of your family flamingly gay, right?
[/quote]
“The Universe’s sense of humor” (shaking head)
And in just a few sentences you magage to insult and ridicule others as well…
Well good for you harris it’s been a very profitable day for you …at least by your own estimation.
Now on the next thread we will go through each study of significance. If they are wrong you can point out why they are wrong. If they are right I expect you to admit it.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Please show me the data which demonstrates this assertion.
I don’t have the time or inclination to try to prove it… [/quote]
Fair enough.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
So you are saying that it is pheromones that cause a guy to want to get busy with children?
Since you don’t want to talk about sexual orientation (for fear of the PC police), then you need to think a little further about the outcome of your theories. If pheromones are responsible for attraction than pedophilia is biological in nature. And if that is the case, then our laws preventing this biological expression are futile and in fact contrary to nature.
It’s amazing to me the combination of stupidity, ignorance, and bigotry required to constantly–CONSTANTLY–conflate homosexuality with pedophilia.
What is amazing about it? They both are deviant (not the norm) practices that go against normal biological function or psychological development.
And Hey, don’t call people stupid Just because you can’t figure out that your butt-hole was not designed (or evolved) to function as a sex organ. Here is a hint; that brown stuff that comes out of it is not lubricant!
[/quote]
I think harris had that brown stuff confused with hair gel. Thanks for clearing that up for him.
harris,
We could continue to insult one another. I have to admit I enjoyed finally letting you have a few choice words…you earned it.
But…
I’ll try one more time to have a civil discourse with you. Many, (like me) have tried in the past and failed as you immediately resort to name calling when you feel your point slipping away. Here is yet one more opportunity for you to show everyone that you are actually able to have an adult debate without your usual tirade of insults.
Are you up for it?
It’s obvious that not every adult homosexual male is in fact a pedophile. I don’t think that anyone on this site is suggesting that. However, some data can be confusing as some researchers look at the male on male pedophile act as being inherently “homosexual.” In other words they look at it as a homosexual/pedophile act.
However, Simply because some homosexuals are pedophiles does not mean that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Same with heterosexuals who molest children. Is an otherwise heterosexual who has had no adult homosexual relations a homosexual because he has molested boys?
Some who gather this sort of data do in fact look at it this way. Their rational; the men are not molesting young females, but opt for young males instead!
The Priest abuse scandal a few years ago spoke to that issue. Were many of the Priests who molested the adolescent boys homosexuals as well as pedophiles?
"Although it’s been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control.
Father Haley says homosexuality is at the root of the huge priestly sex-abuse crisis in which 81 percent of the cases involved victims who were males younger than 18, according to a USCCB investigation.
“Isn’t the huge amounts of AIDS among the clergy a symptom of the problem?” he asked, citing a 2000 Kansas City Star estimate of the rate of AIDS deaths among priests that is at least four times that of the general population. “These are guys who are supposed to be celibate, virtually chaste and modest.”
Compelling.
All of the specific church controversy aside, we still see a high degree of pedophilia with in the homosexual population, according the data that I have reviewed.
I have come across several studies beginning with the ones below, which do indicate that there are a very high proportion of homosexuals who also happen to be pedophiles.
Is every web site, or organization for that matter 100% accurate?
DO NOT dismiss the following because you are not pleased with the web site, or organization that the information comes from. Instead, refute the data with reliable statistics of your own, if you are able.
"The Scientific Evidence
Three kinds of scientific evidence point to the proportion of homosexual molestation: 1) survey reports of molestation in the general population, 2) surveys of those caught and convicted of molestation, and 3) what homosexuals themselves have reported. These three lines of evidence suggest that the 1%-to-3% of adults who practice homosexuality (3) account for between a fifth and a third of all child molestation.
Reports of Molestation by the General Population
In 1983, a probability survey of the sexual experiences of 4,340 adults in 5 U.S. cities found that about 3% of men and 7% of women reported sexual involvement with a man before the age of 134 (i.e., 30% was homosexual).
In 1983- (4), a random survey of 3,132 adults in Los Angeles found that 3.8% of men and 6.8% of women said that they had been sexually assaulted in childhood. Since 93% of the assailants were male, and only 1% of girls had been assaulted by females, about 35% of the assaults were homosexual. (5)
The Los Angeles Times (6) surveyed 2,628 adults across the U.S. in 1985. 27% of the women and 16% of the men claimed to have been sexually molested. Since 7% of the molestations of girls and 93% of the molestations of boys were by adults of the same sex, about 4 of every 10 molestations in this survey were homosexual.
In a random survey of British 15-to-19 yr olds, 35% of the boys and 9% of the girls claimed to have been approached for sex by adult homosexuals and 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls admitted to succumbing. (7)
In science, a review of the professional literature published in a refereed scientific journal is considered to be an accurate summary of the current state of knowledge. The latest such review was published in 1985. (8) It concluded that homosexual acts were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded in the scientific and forensic literature.
Surveys of Those Convicted
Drs Freund and Heasman (9) of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.
Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said (10) that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.”
Dr. C. H. McGaghy (11) estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.” Other studies are similar:
? Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual and a third homosexual in orientation. (12)
? A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (13)
? Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada?s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (14)
? Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (15)
? In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen. (16)
Because of this pattern, Judge J. T. Rees concluded that “the male homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of homosexual and unnatural offences. Of those, 257 were indictable offences involving 402 male victims… The great majority of [whom]… were under the age of 16. Only 11%… were over 21.”
“[T]he problem of male homosexuality is in essence the problem of the corruption of youth by itself [i.e., by other boys] and by its elders. [And thereby]… the creation… of new addicts ready to corrupt a still further generation of young men and boys in the future.” (17)
What Homosexuals Admit
The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)
In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)
In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)
In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each."
There are other studies and data involving this topic on many other web sites. But for now let’s just work with what is here:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris,
We could continue to insult one another. I have to admit I enjoyed finally letting you have a few choice words…you earned it.
But…
I’ll try one more time to have a civil discourse with you. Many, (like me) have tried in the past and failed as you immediately resort to name calling when you feel your point slipping away. Here is yet one more opportunity for you to show everyone that you are actually able to have an adult debate without your usual tirade of insults.
Are you up for it?
It’s obvious that not every adult homosexual male is in fact a pedophile. I don’t think that anyone on this site is suggesting that. However, some data can be confusing as some researchers look at the male on male pedophile act as being inherently “homosexual.” In other words they look at it as a homosexual/pedophile act.
However, Simply because some homosexuals are pedophiles does not mean that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Same with heterosexuals who molest children. Is an otherwise heterosexual who has had no adult homosexual relations a homosexual because he has molested boys?
Some who gather this sort of data do in fact look at it this way. Their rational; the men are not molesting young females, but opt for young males instead!
The Priest abuse scandal a few years ago spoke to that issue. Were many of the Priests who molested the adolescent boys homosexuals as well as pedophiles?
"Although it’s been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control.
Father Haley says homosexuality is at the root of the huge priestly sex-abuse crisis in which 81 percent of the cases involved victims who were males younger than 18, according to a USCCB investigation.
“Isn’t the huge amounts of AIDS among the clergy a symptom of the problem?” he asked, citing a 2000 Kansas City Star estimate of the rate of AIDS deaths among priests that is at least four times that of the general population. “These are guys who are supposed to be celibate, virtually chaste and modest.”
Compelling.
All of the specific church controversy aside, we still see a high degree of pedophilia with in the homosexual population, according the data that I have reviewed.
I have come across several studies beginning with the ones below, which do indicate that there are a very high proportion of homosexuals who also happen to be pedophiles.
Is every web site, or organization for that matter 100% accurate?
DO NOT dismiss the following because you are not pleased with the web site, or organization that the information comes from. Instead, refute the data with reliable statistics of your own, if you are able.
"The Scientific Evidence
Three kinds of scientific evidence point to the proportion of homosexual molestation: 1) survey reports of molestation in the general population, 2) surveys of those caught and convicted of molestation, and 3) what homosexuals themselves have reported. These three lines of evidence suggest that the 1%-to-3% of adults who practice homosexuality (3) account for between a fifth and a third of all child molestation.
Reports of Molestation by the General Population
In 1983, a probability survey of the sexual experiences of 4,340 adults in 5 U.S. cities found that about 3% of men and 7% of women reported sexual involvement with a man before the age of 134 (i.e., 30% was homosexual).
In 1983- (4), a random survey of 3,132 adults in Los Angeles found that 3.8% of men and 6.8% of women said that they had been sexually assaulted in childhood. Since 93% of the assailants were male, and only 1% of girls had been assaulted by females, about 35% of the assaults were homosexual. (5)
The Los Angeles Times (6) surveyed 2,628 adults across the U.S. in 1985. 27% of the women and 16% of the men claimed to have been sexually molested. Since 7% of the molestations of girls and 93% of the molestations of boys were by adults of the same sex, about 4 of every 10 molestations in this survey were homosexual.
In a random survey of British 15-to-19 yr olds, 35% of the boys and 9% of the girls claimed to have been approached for sex by adult homosexuals and 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls admitted to succumbing. (7)
In science, a review of the professional literature published in a refereed scientific journal is considered to be an accurate summary of the current state of knowledge. The latest such review was published in 1985. (8) It concluded that homosexual acts were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded in the scientific and forensic literature.
Surveys of Those Convicted
Drs Freund and Heasman (9) of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.
Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said (10) that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.”
Dr. C. H. McGaghy (11) estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.” Other studies are similar:
? Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual and a third homosexual in orientation. (12)
? A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (13)
? Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada?s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (14)
? Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (15)
? In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen. (16)
Because of this pattern, Judge J. T. Rees concluded that “the male homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of homosexual and unnatural offences. Of those, 257 were indictable offences involving 402 male victims… The great majority of [whom]… were under the age of 16. Only 11%… were over 21.”
“[T]he problem of male homosexuality is in essence the problem of the corruption of youth by itself [i.e., by other boys] and by its elders. [And thereby]… the creation… of new addicts ready to corrupt a still further generation of young men and boys in the future.” (17)
What Homosexuals Admit
The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)
In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)
In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)
In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each."
There are other studies and data involving this topic on many other web sites. But for now let’s just work with what is here:
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=71
[/quote]
Here’s an excerpt from the website you got THIS bullshit from:
[b]America is sliding rapidly down the slope of sexual license and homosexualization.
Neither the conservative movement nor the pro-family movement has been able to stop this descent…
…no other organization in the pro-family movement or among the Christian and conservative colleges is presently doing scientific research of its own to counter the existing body of pro-homosexual empirical data,…
Conservative strategies on homosexuality were dealt a near-fatal blow by the Supreme Court?s 2003 decision in Lawrence v. Texas…
Science and scientific reasoning are increasingly the arbiters of public policy. Without scholarship of their own in hand, conservatives have few weapons in their [/b]
This website is associated with Focus on the amily, the virulently hateful assholes led by that Dobson douchebag.
Just amusing what you think classifies as traditional values. I didn’t realize it was bigotry.
My mistake.
harris,
You did exactly what I asked you NOT to do. And what anyone who was really trying to look at the evidence produced would NOT do.
You attacked the web site!
Now go back over the studies that were presented and take a look at them.
You can rail on Dobson all day long, but that does not put you any closer to the truth.
Now what about the evidence produced (not by Dobson) on the web site? Please go back and review my post regarding the data that I gleaned from the above web site.
Is it wrong?
If so…
Why is it wrong?
If you don’t show me how the data is wrong then I have to assume that it could very well be correct!
Psst, Zeb, if you are getting information from certain sources that are unsavory, you may want to be careful who you associate yourself with…
[quote]vroom wrote:
Psst, Zeb, if you are getting information from certain sources that are unsavory, you may want to be careful who you associate yourself with…[/quote]
There seems to be quite a lot of sites that have the same or similar information. Now I know it’s not politically correct to post such data, but how is anyone to know if it is in fact true unless it is questioned?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
There seems to be quite a lot of sites that have the same or similar information. Now I know it’s not politically correct to post such data, but how is anyone to know if it is in fact true unless it is questioned?
[/quote]
Don’t fucking hammer me with your politically correct mantra bullshit, thank you very much.
What isn’t correct is willfully ignoring the fact that research or results can be spun in order to support certain results.
If you are choosing to use sites that do that, and are turning a blind eye, then I don’t think you are acting very Christian.
It would be somewhat of a strange stance to argue on Biblical terms so often but at the same time be trampling your own principles.
See what I’m saying?
You really don’t get to pick and choose, at least not once you have had your eyes opened once. Ask Steveo, he’ll be happy to tell you about it… oh, and closing your eyes so you don’t see is a charade that won’t go unnoticed when it matters either.
[quote]vroom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
There seems to be quite a lot of sites that have the same or similar information. Now I know it’s not politically correct to post such data, but how is anyone to know if it is in fact true unless it is questioned?
Don’t fucking hammer me with your politically correct mantra bullshit, thank you very much.
What isn’t correct is willfully ignoring the fact that research or results can be spun in order to support certain results.
If you are choosing to use sites that do that, and are turning a blind eye, then I don’t think you are acting very Christian.
It would be somewhat of a strange stance to argue on Biblical terms so often but at the same time be trampling your own principles.
See what I’m saying?
You really don’t get to pick and choose, at least not once you have had your eyes opened once. Ask Steveo, he’ll be happy to tell you about it… oh, and closing your eyes so you don’t see is a charade that won’t go unnoticed when it matters either.[/quote]
Well then that makes it easy for both of us. Simply show me why the above studies which I posted above are “spun.” And then I can move on. Your assumption that they are “spun” is not good enough.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Well then that makes it easy for both of us. Simply show me why the above studies which I posted above are “spun.” And then I can move on. Your assumption that they are “spun” is not good enough.
[/quote]
Zeb,
I’m not going to take it upon myself to show you… as honestly I am more than tired of the endless bickering on this topic.
However, I would suggest you keep it in mind when counter information is thrown back and forth between you and who ever you are arguing with.
This is a political issue, and political issues do get spun, there is no denying that. It is your responsibility to make sure you are looking carefully at the details to ensure you aren’t spreading mistruths, not mine to do it for you.
Peace.
[quote]vroom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Well then that makes it easy for both of us. Simply show me why the above studies which I posted above are “spun.” And then I can move on. Your assumption that they are “spun” is not good enough.
Zeb,
I’m not going to take it upon myself to show you… as honestly I am more than tired of the endless bickering on this topic.[/quote]
That’s a bit puzzling since you started this “Gay Marriage” thread.
As to the information that I posted, it seems accurate. Let me at least say that I have looked and not seen anything to counter it point by point. I thought if I posted it the person that I was debating on this thread (not you) might disagree and point out why it’s wrong, so far he’s only managed a few insults, but no facts in the opposite direction. That you don’t want to take it upon yourself to examine the data is understandable. And I don’t blame you.
Have a good one vroom…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
That’s a bit puzzling since you started this “Gay Marriage” thread. [/quote]
You may recall that I created this thread to discuss the proposed amendment and the political issues involved?
[quote]Have a good one vroom…
[/quote]
You bet!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
vroom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Well then that makes it easy for both of us. Simply show me why the above studies which I posted above are “spun.” And then I can move on. Your assumption that they are “spun” is not good enough.
Zeb,
I’m not going to take it upon myself to show you… as honestly I am more than tired of the endless bickering on this topic.
That’s a bit puzzling since you started this “Gay Marriage” thread.
As to the information that I posted, it seems accurate. Let me at least say that I have looked and not seen anything to counter it point by point. I thought if I posted it the person that I was debating on this thread (not you) might disagree and point out why it’s wrong, so far he’s only managed a few insults, but no facts in the opposite direction. That you don’t want to take it upon yourself to examine the data is understandable. And I don’t blame you.
Have a good one vroom…
[/quote]
Zeb,
What you must understand is that in Vroom’s World, Vroom’s rules do not apply to Vroom. The rules apply to those Vroom disagrees.
Psst, this is called hypocracy, but don’t tell Vroom I said that. Ohhh, he might insult me again…
Take care!
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Zeb,
What you must understand is that in Vroom’s World, Vroom’s rules do not apply to Vroom. The rules apply to those Vroom disagrees.
Psst, this is called hypocracy, but don’t tell Vroom I said that. Ohhh, he might insult me again…
Take care!
[/quote]
Steveo proves again he has absolutely no clue what he is talking about…
It doesn’t matter whether I insult you or not Steveo, your imcompetence is glaring, brilliantly (no, not in a good way I’m afraid) for everyone to see.
However, no food for your persecution complex this time around. Aw.
ZEB:
Ok, I went ahead and looked for some information on such studies. I’ll provide the link and a relevant quote.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
ZEB:
Ok, I went ahead and looked for some information on such studies. I’ll provide the link and a relevant quote.
From: Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
Cameron’s claims hinge on the fallacious assumption that all male-male molestations are committed by homosexuals. Moreover, a careful reading of Cameron’s paper reveals several false statements about the literature he claimed to have reviewed.
For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned previously as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of “heterosexual” (i.e., female victim) to “homosexual” (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted that “54% of all the molestations in this study were performed by bisexual or homosexual practitioners” (p. 1231). However, Groth and Birnbaum reported that none of the men in their sample had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that none of the 22 bisexual men were more attracted to adult males than to adult females. The “54%” statistic reported by Cameron doesn’t appear anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation.
[/quote]
I read what you posted and I think it has merit.
However, there are studies outside of Camerons which purport the same or similar results.
I’m sure that there is bias on both sides of this issue (what hotly charged political debate does not have bias involved). That’s one reason that anyone researching this topic on the Internet has to be careful. However, even if you throw out Cameron, (who is attacked by pro gay forces) as being questionable, there still lies a body of evidence which points to an over representation of homosexuals involved in pedophilia.
I do not yet know if this is 100% accurate. Is every researcher who takes a survey that contains negative information about homosexuals anti gay?
Is anyone who writes anything negative about homosexuality anit-gay? The gay movement and the politically correct would have you believe that. We see how a few of the T-Nation gay population has attacked me for reporting the CDC findings. And other virtually unquestionable data.
Am I now susposed to believe that the following short list of those who have found a homosexual pedophile link are all anti gay?
Researchers such as Kinsey, Copeland, Freund and Heasman and McGaghy, State wide surveys, English surveys, French surveys. And even some litrature from gay magazines.
We do know that those who are “pro-gay” are certainly spinning the information as it builds their personal agenda. We have seen “forlife” ignore every fact that has been thrown at him because it does not help him justify his lifestyle.
Are there folks on the opposite side who disregard good data in order to push an anti-gay agenda? Absolutely!
But, after a while one has to question the data as perhaps being correct as similar figures continue to pop up.
"In a random survey of British 15-to-19 yr olds, 35% of the boys and 9% of the girls claimed to have been approached for sex by adult homosexuals and 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls admitted to succumbing. (7)
Surveys of Those Convicted
Drs Freund and Heasman (9) of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.
Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said (10) that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.”
Dr. C. H. McGaghy (11) estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.” Other studies are similar:
Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual and a third homosexual in orientation. (12)
A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual. (13)
Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada?s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality. (14)
Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual. (15)
In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen. (16)
Because of this pattern, Judge J. T. Rees concluded that “the male homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of homosexual and unnatural offences. Of those, 257 were indictable offences involving 402 male victims… The great majority of [whom]… were under the age of 16. Only 11%… were over 21.”
“[T]he problem of male homosexuality is in essence the problem of the corruption of youth by itself [i.e., by other boys] and by its elders. [And thereby]… the creation… of new addicts ready to corrupt a still further generation of young men and boys in the future.” (17)
What Homosexuals Admit
The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)
In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)
In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)
In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each."