France Alarmed at Obama's Iranian Capitulation

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Never thought I’d find myself agreeing with Pat Buchanan, but he makes some valid points in these two articles.

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2015/03/26/the-enemy-of-my-enemy/[/quote]

Pat’s much noted anti-Israeli sentiment colors everything he has to say about Middle East affairs. Been that way for quite some time now. You can trust him to come up on whatever side is against Israel.

If you think Israel is a malignant force in the Middle East you shouldn’t be surprised that you agree with him.

He has been a vaunted conservative voice for decades now but goes off the rails consistently regarding Israel. Too bad because he does have a sharp mind in many other respects.[/quote]

He’s been accused of being a Nazi sympathiser in the past, for pieces like this:

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Yes. It’s the rule. One must not ever mention Hitler without ample reference to his evil and atrocity, else one will surely be accused of being a Nazi sympathiser.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Exciting news.

President Obama has ordered Kerry to leave Iran, and has apologized to Prime Minister Netanyahu, and personally invited him back to DC for a round of golf!! [/quote]

Lausanne, Iran is beautiful this time of year.[/quote]

LOL! Dammit. Don’t mess with my April Fool’s Day, Bismark.

When he called Netanyahu, he said “I’m so sorry I acted like such an asshole when you came to visit me, Ben.”

[/quote]

The inability to tell a good April Fool’s Day joke seems to run in the family.

Yesterday my daughter took the filling out of some Oreos and replaced it with toothpaste. When she tried to prank the boys on the school bus they ate them and said they were good - Even after she told them they were full of toothpaste. :slight_smile:

Next year I’ll just go with the standard DL picture of me in the down position with 600 lbs on the bar.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Exciting news.

President Obama has ordered Kerry to leave Iran, and has apologized to Prime Minister Netanyahu, and personally invited him back to DC for a round of golf!! [/quote]

Lausanne, Iran is beautiful this time of year.[/quote]

LOL! Dammit. Don’t mess with my April Fool’s Day, Bismark.

When he called Netanyahu, he said “I’m so sorry I acted like such an asshole when you came to visit me, Ben.”

[/quote]

The inability to tell a good April Fool’s Day joke seems to run in the family.

Yesterday my daughter took the filling out of some Oreos and replaced it with toothpaste. When she tried to prank the boys on the school bus they ate them and said they were good - Even after she told them they were full of toothpaste. :slight_smile:

Next year I’ll just go with the standard DL picture of me in the down position with 600 lbs on the bar. [/quote]

I laughed, for what it’s worth.

“Negotiators from Iran and major world powers reached agreement Thursday on a framework for a final agreement to curb Tehranâ??s nuclear program”.

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Bam is speaking right now, and he sounds alot like Bagdad Bob. Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?[/quote]

Neville Chamberlain ?

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?[/quote]

Neville Chamberlain ?[/quote]

By all qualitative and quantitative accounts, Iran has adhered to the Geneva interim agreement. What critics of a deal fail to understand is that the monitoring mechanisms under such a regime would be stronger than what’s currently in effect.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?[/quote]

Neville Chamberlain ?[/quote]

By all qualitative and quantitative accounts, Iran has adhered to the Geneva interim agreement. What critics of a deal fail to understand is that the monitoring mechanisms under such a regime would be stronger than what’s currently in effect.
[/quote]

Oh I believe you, in fact I fear the might hammer of Obama with that whole Syrian red line.

This deal should be written on a napkin and signed with crayons.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?[/quote]

Neville Chamberlain ?[/quote]

By all qualitative and quantitative accounts, Iran has adhered to the Geneva interim agreement. What critics of a deal fail to understand is that the monitoring mechanisms under such a regime would be stronger than what’s currently in effect.
[/quote]

Oh I believe you, in fact I fear the might hammer of Obama with that whole Syrian red line.

This deal should be written on a napkin and signed with crayons.
[/quote]

Syria was compelled to remove its chemical weapons arsenal - the largest of its kind - from a jihadist beehive. How does Syrian chemical disarmament constitute a failure?

Says who? The person who hasn’t demonstrated a modicum of knowledge regarding introductory international relations, nuclear proliferation, or international law? Americans of all political affiliation should want a deal, even if Iran intends to become a nuclear weapon state through a break out or sneak out capacity. Strengthened enforcement and monitoring mechanisms will require an Iranian nuclear program that is more transparent than it has been in many years.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who the fuck would trust Iran to adhere to any of this shit ?[/quote]

Neville Chamberlain ?[/quote]

By all qualitative and quantitative accounts, Iran has adhered to the Geneva interim agreement. What critics of a deal fail to understand is that the monitoring mechanisms under such a regime would be stronger than what’s currently in effect.
[/quote]

Oh I believe you, in fact I fear the might hammer of Obama with that whole Syrian red line.

This deal should be written on a napkin and signed with crayons.
[/quote]

Syria was compelled to remove its chemical weapons arsenal - the largest of its kind - from a jihadist beehive. How does Syrian chemical disarmament constitute a failure?

Says who? The person who hasn’t demonstrated a modicum of knowledge regarding introductory international relations, nuclear proliferation, or international law? Americans of all political affiliation should want a deal, even if Iran intends to become a nuclear weapon state through a break out or sneak out capacity. Strengthened enforcement and monitoring mechanisms will require an Iranian nuclear program that is more transparent than it has been in many years.[/quote]

Never trust a man willing to gas his own people.

The Supreme Leader of Iran shouted “Death to America” a week ago, that is all I need to know about where he stands. If you think they will abide by the conditions of this agreement, then your gullibility is unprecedented. You are suggesting that a country who had openly suggested about eradicating Israel will respect international laws ?

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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser. [/quote]

I am sick a tired of your Gestapo debate tactics.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser. [/quote]

I am sick a tired of your Gestapo debate tactics.
[/quote]

What are you Goering to do about it?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser. [/quote]

I am sick a tired of your Gestapo debate tactics.
[/quote]

What are you Goering to do about it?
[/quote]

Draw a Maginot line in the sand.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser. [/quote]

I am sick a tired of your Gestapo debate tactics.
[/quote]

What are you Goering to do about it?
[/quote]

Draw a Maginot line in the sand. [/quote]

Shouldn’t be too hard to find a way around that.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem with Iran is the same problem with any other dictatorship. There is too much power concentrated in too few hands. The Iranian people as a whole may be rational but they have a handful of people who have so much power they can make irrational decisions that affect everyone else.

They have not started a war is a ridiculous rationalization. In their history the Persian have started a lot of wars and the Ayatollahs want to reclaim their former glory as a major empire. In recent history they have spread violence far and wide including into this hemisphere.

[/quote]

Bullshit. The people running Iran - the inner circle of the religious/security apparatus are behaving more rationally that Vladimir Putin, for example. Barring differences in size, Iran seems more like USSR in terms of foreign policy.

They are a brutal dictatorship no doubt, but their actions make sense. For example, the whole Ahmadinejad presidency was one big fiasco, so allowing Hassan Rouhani to become president was a sign that they desperately need a compromise.

Iran have their hands full - inflation, staggeringly high levels of youth unemployment and the economy in tatters. People are tired of the sanction and they want change, not least towards increased Westernization. This may sound ridiculous, but there is a fundamental shift going on in Iran, and like all dictatorships (East Germany, USSR come to mind) they want to placate the population without relinquishing political control.

Not only that, but they have to fight a proxy war in Yemen against the Saudis and fight for Shia interests in Iraq, where we’re witnessing US and Iran being on the same side, albeit without acknowledging it. Increased belligerency of Erdogan in Turkey and Turkish belligerency in the west part of the shia crescent are also a pressing concern, hence the de facto capitulation in Lausanne.

Any action against the US of A or Israel is as far as from their possible as possible. Because these guys want to stay in power and stay alive.

[/quote]

Careful, Loppar. If you make too much sense on this thread, you risk accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser. [/quote]

I am sick a tired of your Gestapo debate tactics.
[/quote]

What are you Goering to do about it?
[/quote]

Draw a Maginot line in the sand. [/quote]

Shouldn’t be too hard to find a way around that.
[/quote]

No, probably not for a master-race debater.