[quote]debraD wrote:
Potatoes are supposed to be the food of my people but they seem to wreak me. Go figure.
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Haha, I really like this. I come from vegetarian South Asians who think meat consumption = unhealthy
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Bricknyce your posts are becoming very puerile in nature. This thread has been keep within reason, nobody is hard lining, and nobody asked you to come here and spout off.
As with anything in life, there are always people who have accomplished things in different ways. I don’t see any reason for your juvenile actions. We all know where you stand, and that you have pretty much given in to pursuing “average” nutrition.
If your so worried about how time consuming pursuing an above average physique is, why don’t you save some minutes by not posting pointless material?[/quote]
Also, as far as I can tell no one is saying you are going to die from eating to many grains. People have just been stating that they feel better when they keep grains to a minimum. Yes many/most bodybuilders consume large amounts of carbs from grains but, does this mean they feel great through out the day?
[quote]EvanX wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Bricknyce your posts are becoming very puerile in nature. This thread has been keep within reason, nobody is hard lining, and nobody asked you to come here and spout off.
As with anything in life, there are always people who have accomplished things in different ways. I don’t see any reason for your juvenile actions. We all know where you stand, and that you have pretty much given in to pursuing “average” nutrition.
If your so worried about how time consuming pursuing an above average physique is, why don’t you save some minutes by not posting pointless material?[/quote]
Also, as far as I can tell no one is saying you are going to die from eating to many grains. People have just been stating that they feel better when they keep grains to a minimum. Yes many/most bodybuilders consume large amounts of carbs from grains but, does this mean they feel great through out the day? [/quote]
I don’t know if muscularly obese bodybuilders feel great throughout the day, but I highly doubt that elite athletes can train 4-6 hrs per day also while feeling like shit!
I DON’T recommend high carb intakes (>50%) for sedentary individuals and a paleo approach is better for them because of the health problems that arise in sedentary people when they eat too many carbs - hyperlipidemia, overweight, diabetes.
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
BulletproofTiger, I’m open to all viewpoints on this matter, however I am not convinced that most people are severely intolerant or allergic to lectins or the fact that other anti-nutrients found in grains (phytic acid, etc) significantly screw with one’s digestive system and cause very significant nutrient mal-absorption. I am also not convinced of the ALL or NOTHING mentality where no amount of grains are tolerable by humans (and wreak havoc on health). The evidence I’ve seen thus far has indicated to me that only a very small percentage of people have Celiac Disease while the rest of people have varying degrees of tolerance to gluten (and other lectins). In terms of anti-nutrients, from the evidence I’ve seen on them, they often only really cause small decreases in nutrient absorption. So in terms of those, where is the evidence that they significantly impair digestion?[/quote]
God damned right.
What about non-North American societies today that basically live off grain? Are they all sick?
My grandmother basically lived off basmati rice and roti (wheat) and she lived a healthy life until her passing at the age of 89.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
What about non-North American societies today that basically live off grain? Are they all sick?
My grandmother basically lived off basmati rice and roti (wheat) and she lived a healthy life until her passing at the age of 89.[/quote]
The tarot reader on the corner said I’ll live to be 129, and that’s easily as good as any scientific study. Paleo FTW.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
What about non-North American societies today that basically live off grain? Are they all sick?
My grandmother basically lived off basmati rice and roti (wheat) and she lived a healthy life until her passing at the age of 89.[/quote]
The tarot reader on the corner said I’ll live to be 129, and that’s easily as good as the scientific studies paleo cultists cherry pick to support their assertions. Paleo FTL.[/quote]
Fixed.
Seriously, I don’t get this. Science is good when it supports what you want it to (paleo righteousness!), but when a study doesn’t say something you like, there’s no questioning of your own beliefs or examining the parameters and significance of the research, but rather a generic “well, studies can show anything so they’re worthless”.
Only accepting what fits your preconceived model is bad science.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
*waits for stronghold[/quote]
Why? Because BPT acknowledges individual differences in what people can tolerate rather than a dogmatic THIS IS BAD FOR EVERYONE approach?
Because he acknowledges a dose dependency with these things rather than a dogmatic THIS IS BAD FOR EVERYONE IN ANY AMOUNT approach?
This thread is perfectly reasonable.[/quote]
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[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Potatoes are supposed to be the food of my people but they seem to wreak me. Go figure.
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Haha, I really like this. I come from vegetarian South Asians who think meat consumption = unhealthy[/quote]
Well if you ask my granny she’ll tell you my problem is not enough whiskey with my potatoes. Not that I’d be healthier but I wouldn’t really care! She is pushing 90 so maybe she’s onto something.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Potatoes are supposed to be the food of my people but they seem to wreak me. Go figure.
[/quote]
Haha, I really like this. I come from vegetarian South Asians who think meat consumption = unhealthy[/quote]
I assume you’re of Indian heritage too? Meat consumption for the most part is against religion not so much that they believe it to be unhealthy. The higher percentage Indians and other South Asian races contracting Type 2 Diabetes is largely due to their unabashed consumption of rice and wheat more than anything.
To borrow Debra’s excellent summary “Rice and Wheat are the food of my people but they have been wrecking me for most of my life”.
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Potatoes are supposed to be the food of my people but they seem to wreak me. Go figure.
[/quote]
Haha, I really like this. I come from vegetarian South Asians who think meat consumption = unhealthy[/quote]
I assume you’re of Indian heritage too? Meat consumption for the most part is against religion not so much that they believe it to be unhealthy. The higher percentage Indians and other South Asian races contracting Type 2 Diabetes is largely due to their unabashed consumption of rice and wheat more than anything.
To borrow Debra’s excellent summary “Rice and Wheat are the food of my people but they have been wrecking me for most of my life”.[/quote]
Religion part too, but they truly believe restricting meat consumption is the most healthiest option.
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
BulletproofTiger, I’m open to all viewpoints on this matter, however I am not convinced that most people are severely intolerant or allergic to lectins or the fact that other anti-nutrients found in grains (phytic acid, etc) significantly screw with one’s digestive system and cause very significant nutrient mal-absorption. I am also not convinced of the ALL or NOTHING mentality where no amount of grains are tolerable by humans (and wreak havoc on health). The evidence I’ve seen thus far has indicated to me that only a very small percentage of people have Celiac Disease while the rest of people have varying degrees of tolerance to gluten (and other lectins). In terms of anti-nutrients, from the evidence I’ve seen on them, they often only really cause small decreases in nutrient absorption. So in terms of those, where is the evidence that they significantly impair digestion?[/quote]
I’m not arguing an all or nothing mentality for every person. The title of the thread was NOT a means to convince all people to give up grain. It was simply chosen because it was short and to the point.
Just to clarify, I didn’t try to convince you that most people in general are severely intolerant or allergic to lectins. I also didn’t argue that they significantly screw with any particular person’s digestive system. Though if one’s digestive system was significantly screwed up it could most certainly cause significant malabsorption.
Further, I would argue that if a person found them self in a situation whereby they had issues with their digestion, it could very well be alleviated by removing grains from their diet. A great number of people have found relief from doing this, and recovery has improved in those people. This would clearly lead me to believe that the grains were causing harm to the person.
If a person or group of people didn’t have any issue with their digestion, then certainly I would not argue that they should remove the grain from their diet, if they were emphatic about keeping the grain in their diet, or if for financial reasons, they could not afford a grain free diet.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Well, if high grain consumption was so goddamn harmful to health, many elite athletes would have been dropping dead before they even got to an elite level and wouldn’t be setting world records. After all, it’s easy to perform at your best when your health is deteriorating and you’re constantly sick.
By the way, I’m sure those Kenyan distance runners, who consume a diet of 70% carbs, are getting all those carbs from veggies and fruits! 
I’m sure they can afford to spend half their days chewing.[/quote]
Also, isn’t it possible that their freakish genetics allowed them to overcome yet again something that some people with lesser genetic could not achieve? I know WC already mentioned this, but also he, myself, and many others have seen much improved health and RECOVERY from removing the majority if not all grains from our diets. Admittedly (for myself) the improved health could also have to do with something like the inclusion of coconut oil, but I’m sure there are people who found health improvement from removing grain that did not include coconut oil.