[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
It is true, with the current decline in US birth rates it is estimated we will be extinct in -6000 years or so.[/quote]
Your culture and prosperity, far sooner.[/quote]
Well if it weren’t for declining birth rates and immigration policies, I would not have been born in Canada.
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And if weren’t for those same factors, others would’ve been born in Canada.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
It is true, with the current decline in US birth rates it is estimated we will be extinct in -6000 years or so.[/quote]
Your culture and prosperity, far sooner.[/quote]
Agreed. We should also worry that blonde hair and red hair are dying out.
We should reinstitute racial segregation in order to prevent this decline. Our prosperity is at risk.[/quote]
You’re like arguing with an overdone caricature of a liberal. Culture is culture. Race is race. Save the race card for someone who cares. It’s overplayed, and I’m inoculated at this point.
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No it’s to point out that worrying about a changing culture is just as absurd as worrying about changing racial demographics. The Changes needed to preserve the culture you are referring to would require changes just as drastic as preserving racial demographics
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
It is true, with the current decline in US birth rates it is estimated we will be extinct in -6000 years or so.[/quote]
Your culture and prosperity, far sooner.[/quote]
What does that have to do with birth rates?[/quote]
Future entitlement obligations, for the masses of elderly, won’t pay for themselves. When you can’t replace yourselves through fertility, you import people who will. Like…oh, I don’t know…with folks who are more religious and who have larger families. Those low to negative fertility rates he was talking about? That’s a dead end.
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Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine. Importing people is a different issue and I doubt its happening because of our “low” fertility rates and fear of being under populated.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Changes needed to preserve the culture you are referring to would require changes just as drastic as preserving racial demographics
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Or, replacement fertility within the population…
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine…[/quote]
Sure, if you don’t want entitlements paid for. Or, young people to drive an economy.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine…[/quote]
Sure, if you don’t want entitlements paid for. Or, young people to drive an economy.
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If a increasing population is required to pay entitlements or drive the economy then the system is broke.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine…[/quote]
Sure, if you don’t want entitlements paid for. Or, young people to drive an economy.
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If a increasing population is required to pay entitlements or drive the economy then the system is broke.[/quote]
No, it just exists in reality. That growing number of elderly, how do you think their entitlements are paid for? Young, working, productive, tax producers.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine…[/quote]
Sure, if you don’t want entitlements paid for. Or, young people to drive an economy.
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If a increasing population is required to pay entitlements or drive the economy then the system is broke.[/quote]
No, it just exists in reality. That growing number of elderly, how do you think their entitlements are paid for? Young, working, productive, tax producers.[/quote]
So the solution for growing number of elderly, is a growing number of workers which in turn creates an even larger group of elderly the next generation? And this is maintainable forever in an area with finite space and resources?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not sure I am following what you said. A current birth rate is not the problem, in fact it can drop a bit more and still be fine…[/quote]
Sure, if you don’t want entitlements paid for. Or, young people to drive an economy.
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If a increasing population is required to pay entitlements or drive the economy then the system is broke.[/quote]
No, it just exists in reality. That growing number of elderly, how do you think their entitlements are paid for? Young, working, productive, tax producers.[/quote]
So the solution for growing number of elderly, is a growing number of workers which in turn creates an even larger group of elderly the next generation? And this is maintainable forever in an area with finite space and resources?[/quote]
We’ve been playing the overpopulation game for how long now? The reality is, entitlement obligations are unsustainable NOW.
I like how the implication is thatm in the name of overpopulation, westerners should depopulate, and replace themselves with higher fertility peoples.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like how the implication is thatm in the name of overpopulation, westerners should depopulate, and replace themselves with higher fertility peoples.[/quote]
Why is replacing with higher fertility people implied?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like how the implication is thatm in the name of overpopulation, westerners should depopulate, and replace themselves with higher fertility peoples.[/quote]
Why is replacing with higher fertility people implied?[/quote]
Because someone has to pay for the entitlements of the elderly. Someone has to change the sheets in the nursing homes.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like how the implication is thatm in the name of overpopulation, westerners should depopulate, and replace themselves with higher fertility peoples.[/quote]
Why is replacing with higher fertility people implied?[/quote]
Because someone has to pay for the entitlements of the elderly. Someone has to change the sheets in the nursing homes.
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Are you talking about what is currently being done, or what you think should be done? Or both?
I was trying to say we should try to maintain population, if birth rates match or exceed death rates then importing people is counter productive to that goal.
Below replacement fertility means below replacement fertility. Meanwhile, more and more of the population moves outside of fertile age. And they need either a well-funded nanny state to see them through 1st world lengthened golden years, or a number of children to care for and support them.
Just call you Vlad the Impaler. Just slaying people.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The Changes needed to preserve the culture you are referring to would require changes just as drastic as preserving racial demographics
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Or, replacement fertility within the population…[/quote]
And that’s why you have immigration…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I like how the implication is thatm in the name of overpopulation, westerners should depopulate, and replace themselves with higher fertility peoples.[/quote]
Nope.
Again no one is telling people NOT to have kids or they “should depopulate.” People’s preferences here are to have less kids, that decision was made on their own accord.
It is actually you who is trying to force people to have more kids by taking away their options.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
No one is arguing they should be forced to supply contraception.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
In reality, they are. [/quote]
Nope.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Just call you Vlad the Impaler. Just slaying people.[/quote]
You think so?
Ask him if he think there’s good evidence for a god (as you and I discussed in another thread).
Lastly, do you care at all about sustainability?
You know at the rate we’re repopulating there will be worldwide famine right?