Force Against Iran

[quote]WMD wrote:
Are you taking me seriously, RJ? You’re so delicate. And actually it was you that admitted to being a pussy, I was just commending your courage. As soon as one of you Bush Backers posts something of relevance, besides your own brand of vitriol, I’ll respond to it. Meanwhile, I enjoy your snappy repartee.

Good times, good times…

WMD[/quote]

Whatever. You aren’t exactly spending a lot of time trying to post anything of relevance yourself. What does that say for you? Oh please don’t answer that as I am currently having a shake and I would hate to waste any as a result of the milk-out-of-my-nose laughter that will undoubtedly ensue upon reading your self-edifying retort.

Delicate is such a relative term. One best left for keyboard warriors such as yourself to ruminate on in the absence of any substance.

[quote]doogie wrote:
WMD wrote:

Well, doogie my boy, I spent time in the first Gulf War commanding a C&J platoon. What did you do? Remain stateside pushing paper as part of the chairborne?

Technically, yes. I was still in high school during the first Gulf “War”. What is C&J? I was tempted to come up with my own explanations, but I have more respect for the military than that.

If the only thing you can come up with is more wars on more fronts without enough troops and materiel for the one we’re already engaged in, you are a moron.

Actually, dipshit, I think we should just nuke all of their reactors. Or provide Israel with the means to do the job.

That epithet applies to you, personally, and anyone you voted into office who is now running this war in an incompetent fashion and who seeks to expand the so-called War on Terror to other countries.

What other war have we fought we such efficiency? Vietnam? WWII? I mourn for each of the nearly 2000 troops we’ve lost, but I don’t think a single one of them was wasted. Unless you are talking about Grenada and Panama, I’d like to know when the U.S. military has ever been more efficient.

It also goes for anyone who favors a nuclear response. Only a complete idiot would use a nuke thinking there would be no consequences for us.

What response? Lay it out.
No matter what consequence you name, it won’t be as severe as being nuked by Iranian bombs.

There are several other responses that would make much more sense, you know like pursuing diplomacy coupled with a COVERT action of some sort.

  1. You can’t negotiate with religious zealots. Even Clinton learned that in Waco.
  2. Don’t you think any covert actions would be quickly tied to us? “Oh shit, all of our reactors blew up at once. What are the chances of that happening? It must have been an act of God!!”

That way we don’t have to kill every man, woman and child in the region and pollute the whole freakin’ planet in the process.

I have no problem with dropping little notes all over Iran saying “We are going to nuke these specific locations on this date. If you don’t want to glow in the dark, move.”

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C&J means collection and jamming.

As far as a nuclear response goes, does the word fallout mean anything to you? Nukes are anything but precise, therefore the collateral damage will be enormous, there will be few places anyone could move whre they would not be affected. Remember we’re not talking about Fatman and Little Boy any more. We’re talking about much more powerful and sophisticated weapons, even at the tactical level. Nuking a nuclear facility would create an even bigger problem with fallout.

And please help me follow the reasoning behind "Don’t you think any covert actions would be quickly tied to us? “Oh shit, all of our reactors blew up at once. What are the chances of that happening? It must have been an act of God!!”, but they wouldn’t know it was us that nuked them???

I’m beginning to think you were never in the service since you don’t know what a C&J platoon is and you don’t know the difference between a clusterfuck and an efficient operation. See, in the real Army it’s not just the dead that are counted as casualties of war, but the wounded and maimed as well. How many of those are there at Walter Reed that the Bush admin is keeping on the down low?

I never said negotiate with religious fanatics nor terrorists. There are more than just those in Iran. There are many, many things we could do besides nuke anyone, ever. This is not WWII, so don’t even play that card.

WMD

[quote]WMD wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
WMD wrote:

When did Iraq attack us? …

WMD

When they shot at our planes, when they tried to assasinate an ex-president, when they invaded an ally, when they sponsored countless acts of terrorism against another ally.

Heh, you’re serious aren’t you? You really think that backward ass, pissant, shit-hole of a country was a real threat to anybody but themselves, that it required a wholesale invasion by the greatest military power on the planet? While the above things may be true, when exactly was the US in any danger of collapse because of inept Iraqi machinations?

WMD[/quote]

Why don’t we wait until the US is in danger of collapse until we act?

[quote]doogie wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Iran is and has been a much greater threat to the U.S. and world at large than Iraq. If Iraq, why not Iran? Or why not Iran instead of Iraq? Too late now-we are involved and I think we need to stay involved and fulfill our committment to resolve things as much as we possibly can. But this is something we should’ve thought of a long time ago. Some people did.

You think it is just sheer blind luck that we have Iran surrounded now?[/quote]

Um, yes actually. GeeDub and co. are functional morons as military men. If you can’t guess, I, as a former military officer, have absolutely no respect for these people. If I had conducted an operation in this fashion, I would have been court martialed for utter incompetence. So should they.

Now is there any point to your recent posts, WMD? Or are you just exercising your First Amendment right to run your mouth?

You have not made any point of relevance since doogie ripped a hole in you and elkfucker.

Now you are sounding more and more like e-fucker. All talk - but never on point. Not a trait to be proud of, as he has become the laughing stock down here.

Now he will get on here and call my any plethera of names and make a big deal out of running me down for having the audacity to engage in name calling. But you know what e-fucktard won’t do? Say a damn thing even remotely related to the thread.

Is that who you want to emulate? If it makes you feel like a big kid to put on a cheerleader’s skirt and holler for your team, then knock yourself out.

I guess you have found your soul-mate. Not everyone can say that, so congrats.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:

Well, ZEB does it all the time. Why isn’t anyone else allowed to?

No actually I don’t Ma’m. :slight_smile:

Actually, you do. The only evidence you ever post is pulled out of your own butt or off of right wing websites. YOu have never in anything I’ve seen you post provide a neutral, empirical peer reviewed source of evidence. And you always expect us to just take your word without any application of critical thought. :slight_smile:

Your posts have become amusing!

The fact that I have a “position” on an issue somehow bothers you…Please keep posting dear. :)[/quote]

Not that you are sanctimonious or anything. But I’m glad you found the humor in them, because that is actually present. I don’t mind that you have a position, it’s your assumption that everyone need to take your word for it without question. You seem to avoid talking about that part of it.

I’m enjoying this. You’re much better at repartee than RJ.

WMD

[quote]rainjack wrote:
WMD wrote:
Are you taking me seriously, RJ? You’re so delicate. And actually it was you that admitted to being a pussy, I was just commending your courage. As soon as one of you Bush Backers posts something of relevance, besides your own brand of vitriol, I’ll respond to it. Meanwhile, I enjoy your snappy repartee.

Good times, good times…

WMD

Whatever. You aren’t exactly spending a lot of time trying to post anything of relevance yourself. What does that say for you? Oh please don’t answer that as I am currently having a shake and I would hate to waste any as a result of the milk-out-of-my-nose laughter that will undoubtedly ensue upon reading your self-edifying retort.

Delicate is such a relative term. One best left for keyboard warriors such as yourself to ruminate on in the absence of any substance.
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Uh… WMD was in Iraq in the first Gulf War. Who really is the key board warrior flapquack? I like how you said “whatever” that was cutesy. :slight_smile:

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
WMD wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
WMD wrote:

When did Iraq attack us? …

WMD

When they shot at our planes, when they tried to assasinate an ex-president, when they invaded an ally, when they sponsored countless acts of terrorism against another ally.

Heh, you’re serious aren’t you? You really think that backward ass, pissant, shit-hole of a country was a real threat to anybody but themselves, that it required a wholesale invasion by the greatest military power on the planet? While the above things may be true, when exactly was the US in any danger of collapse because of inept Iraqi machinations?

WMD

Why don’t we wait until the US is in danger of collapse until we act?

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You haven’t much faith in America, do you? We are in more danger from the incompetence of our own leadership than we ever could be from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Korea combined. It seems that all the Bush admin has to do is say we’re under a threat and people like you buy it hook, line and sinker. Do they not teach critical thought any more?

I don’t want Iran to have nuclear weapons. I also don’t want China, Pakistan, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Britain, France, the former Soviet Union or the USA to have nukes. But that bit of evil has been let out of Pandora’s box and it will be hell to put it back. As I have stated before, there are many other options besides nukes. We’ve done it before, we can do it again.

WMD

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Now is there any point to your recent posts, WMD? Or are you just exercising your First Amendment right to run your mouth?

You have not made any point of relevance since doogie ripped a hole in you and elkfucker.

Now you are sounding more and more like e-fucker. All talk - but never on point. Not a trait to be proud of, as he has become the laughing stock down here.

Now he will get on here and call my any plethera of names and make a big deal out of running me down for having the audacity to engage in name calling. But you know what e-fucktard won’t do? Say a damn thing even remotely related to the thread.

Is that who you want to emulate? If it makes you feel like a big kid to put on a cheerleader’s skirt and holler for your team, then knock yourself out.

I guess you have found your soul-mate. Not everyone can say that, so congrats. [/quote]

flapquack, I knew it wouldn’t be long till you were talking disrespectfully to women again an officer no less. Your makeover was nice, but now I see the make up is running and your true spots are showing through. Is this where you say I’m jealous because I don’t live in the Texas panhandle (ew)? You are too dumb to realize you are a laughing stock and the only ones who will claim you are as twisted as you are.

Cheers

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Now is there any point to your recent posts, WMD? Or are you just exercising your First Amendment right to run your mouth?

You have not made any point of relevance since doogie ripped a hole in you and elkfucker.

Now you are sounding more and more like e-fucker. All talk - but never on point. Not a trait to be proud of, as he has become the laughing stock down here.

Now he will get on here and call my any plethera of names and make a big deal out of running me down for having the audacity to engage in name calling. But you know what e-fucktard won’t do? Say a damn thing even remotely related to the thread.

Is that who you want to emulate? If it makes you feel like a big kid to put on a cheerleader’s skirt and holler for your team, then knock yourself out.

I guess you have found your soul-mate. Not everyone can say that, so congrats. [/quote]

Please direct me to the last post of relevance you have made and I will be happy to respond to it. I have responded to Zap and few others who actually made comments referring to the topic, which, if I remember correctly, is the use of force on Iran and what form it should take. It seems you have created a tangental thread about how I and Elk and vroom suck because we disagree with you.

I’m trying to find the hole doogie ripped, but there doesn’t seem to be any, except for the one in your head. Perhaps you are confused again?

I do enjoy my first amendment rights, thanks for asking.

WMD

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
flapquack, I knew it wouldn’t be long till you were talking disrespectfully to women again an officer no less. Your makeover was nice, but now I see the make up is running and your true spots are showing through. Is this where you say I’m jealous because I don’t live in the Texas panhandle (ew)? You are too dumb to realize you are a laughing stock and the only ones who will claim you are as twisted as you are.

Cheers[/quote]

Right on schedule. I love it when retards like you prove me right. You just can’t help yourself though.

[quote]WMD wrote:
I’m trying to find the hole doogie ripped, but there doesn’t seem to be any, except for the one in your head. [/quote]

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! Oh stop it!! Your killing me!!! I told you not to respond. You owe me one Grow shake, dammit.

[quote]I do enjoy my first amendment rights, thanks for asking.

WMD[/quote]

Were it that you cared about everyone’s as much as you care about yours.

Funny how you can call people every name in the book and then pat yourself on the back when you accurately predict they might respond in a less than favorable light.

Wow, you must be psychic!

Try not to hurt yourself while you pound on your own back, big guy.

Topic? Hello, did anyone see a topic around here? Someone seems to have lost it…

[quote]vroom wrote:
Funny how you can call people every name in the book and then pat yourself on the back when you accurately predict they might respond in a less than favorable light.

Wow, you must be psychic!

Try not to hurt yourself while you pound on your own back, big guy.

Topic? Hello, did anyone see a topic around here? Someone seems to have lost it…[/quote]

I like the way you selectively decide who is name calling and who isn’t. This idiot hasn’t used my screen name to address me since he started posting on here.

Are you going to take him to task for that, vroom? Are you going to say anything about his accusing me of being sexist? Of course not.

Fuck - you both name call with the best of them. How is that okay and mine is wrong?

Please.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Right on schedule. I love it when retards like you prove me right. You just can’t help yourself though.

Funny how you can call people every name in the book and then pat yourself on the back when you accurately predict they might respond in a less than favorable light.

Wow, you must be psychic!

Try not to hurt yourself while you pound on your own back, big guy.

Topic? Hello, did anyone see a topic around here? Someone seems to have lost it…[/quote]

Have you noticed that to? He also has called people vaginas and much worse and then when someone says something in kind to him, he gets all hurt and wounded.

In another thread he acted like there were all kinds of bizarre rules I and another member were breaking and then he gets all melodramatic “Oh, i can’t believe you said that… T-Nation will never forgive you… you are an embarrassment and you want my job!!!”

It truly is a fantastically warped world he lives in. Truly!

[quote]I like the way you selectively decide who is name calling and who isn’t. This idiot hasn’t used my screen name to address me since he started posting on here.

Are you going to take him to task for that, vroom? Are you going to say anything about his accusing me of being sexist? Of course not.[/quote]

Rainjack, we can ask Zeb for arbitration if you like. However, I’m guessing that Flapquack (which I’ve seen lately) is nothing like Elkfucker (which I’ve also seen lately). There is a difference between the two.

I know I’m quick on the draw with names, and I suspect you know you appear to go straight for the nuclear option for name calling once it starts…

Anyway, you are right, I’m the last person to berate anyone for name calling per se, I’m just finding it strange to call someone extremely inflammatory names and then call them out for responding. That was the only point I was trying to make.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush simply pointed out the truth about these countries. His statements did not encourage them. They were already doing it. Now you somehow want to blame Bush for this?
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I used the word “redoubled” on purpose. You’re talking about his “you are evil” statements. I’m talking about his “we will bury you” statements, and his timing in attacking Iraq, and attacking it unilaterally. Yes, I blame him for the ill effects of all of that, including accelerating events in Iran and N. Korea, and all of it was needless.

Not hardly. In fact, it is this POTUS and his administration who have consistently placed politics above national security. Lying was Bush’s politically safe way to get the war started. Now we face the blowback: a disaffected electorate and the resulting calls for silly time limits and early withdrawals.

[quote]WMD wrote:
It seems you have created a tangental thread about how I and Elk and vroom suck because we disagree with you.
WMD[/quote]

Strange how that happens, eh? Actually, by the time you get to about page 4 in any of these polit threads you will find it has devolved to where it is about 98% an unending round of ad hominem exchanges among some subset of the same dozen or so people. If I read the board over several days I sometimes fancy I see a kind of ebb and flow in the level of vituperation (fluctuations in the collective androgen level?)

[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
WMD wrote:
It seems you have created a tangental thread about how I and Elk and vroom suck because we disagree with you.
WMD

Strange how that happens, eh? Actually, by the time you get to about page 4 in any of these polit threads you will find it has devolved to where it is about 98% an unending round of ad hominem exchanges among some subset of the same dozen or so people. If I read the board over several days I sometimes fancy I see a kind of ebb and flow in the level of vituperation (fluctuations in the collective androgen level?)[/quote]

ROFL…that was a good one about the androgen level. But yeah it does seem to go that way. I really would discuss the topic if RJ or ZEB would actually post something new or at least a new iteration of the same stuff. Like I said I have responded to those who have commented on the topic. But maybe the topic is done and we should just start a new thread like “ZEB and RJ rule, everybody who disagrees sucks”.

WMS

[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush simply pointed out the truth about these countries. His statements did not encourage them. They were already doing it. Now you somehow want to blame Bush for this?

I used the word “redoubled” on purpose. You’re talking about his “you are evil” statements. I’m talking about his “we will bury you” statements, and his timing in attacking Iraq, and attacking it unilaterally. Yes, I blame him for the ill effects of all of that, including accelerating events in Iran and N. Korea, and all of it was needless.

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You used redoubled to echo the propaganda being put out by NK and Iran. I strongly suspect they have been working diligently on the nuke projects all along. They have been manipulating the western press to make it look like they have stepped up their efforts in response to Bush.