[quote]Wreckless wrote:
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They were lied to by Bush. They didn’t have direct access to the intelligence. The reports from the CIA and other agencies were edited untill they said what Bush wanted them to say.
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Did he do that before he was president too or was Clinton also editing the reports?
I AM RAINJACK…HEAR ME ROAR!!!
rainjack, JeffR and those like them.
Let me state some things perfectly clear for you all.
First, I am not a Democrat, so please stop using that as part of your arguements with me.
Second, I never said Clinton was not crooked, capable of lying or deceit or capable of shady tatics. In fact, he was better at it than his opposition. This is why after almost 6 years out of office, you guys keep mentioning him. He is like your boogyman, used to scare poor, young, neocons-in-training to straighten up and act right. BTW Jeff, Clinton cannot declare war without Congress’ approval. How was he going to do that if Congress didn’t trust him? Come on, you’re smarter than that.
Third, the “neocon manifesto” was just a catch phase that I used to describe the following:
Look at the link entitled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century” it is a document that outlines the strategy that is taking place right now. If you notice, the dates (as Jeff likes to point out) are before GWB took office.
Fourth, if something that is said makes you feel uncomfortable, enraged, irritated, then maybe its because there might be some truth involved that you refuse to admit. Maybe you should take a deep breath, count to 10 and think before you attack. I can admit that I have a colored viewpoint, but that is what an opinion is supposed to be anyway.
Fifth, I do not mind facts when they are presented in their entirety. I do, however, resent them being presented in a cherry-picked fashion to support your points. Condescending tones are not necessary, just the facts please.
Finally, if all you have to offer is insults, then realize that even if I do not respond to you, assume a “Fuck You” from me.
JeffR, take a good look at where this military establishment of ours is headed - or would you just consider this “awesome” technology?
Iraq is only a beginning…
Super-soldiers may get brain-chip
24-10-2005
The Daily Telegraph
US military experts are attempting to create an army of super-human soldiers who will be more intelligent and deadly thanks to a microchip implanted in their brains.
Scientists believe the implant will vastly improve the memory of troops so that they can recall every detail of their training and become more effective fighters.
Researchers at the University of Southern California’s bio-engineering department have created the chip, which acts in exactly the same way as the hippocampus - the part of the brain that deals with memory.
In experiments, the team removed that section of the brain of dead rats and inserted the chip in its place. The implant sent exactly the same electronic signals as the real thing.
The next stage of the project is to test the implant on live animals. If this work proves to be as successful, experiments could one day be carried out on soldiers.
http://www.news.com.au/story/print/0,10119,17013218,00.html
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Greetings!!!
In honor of the GRAND TEMPER TANTRUM OF NOVEMBER 1ST, 2005: (Democrats shutting down the Sentate)
I thought I’d update some of my favorite quotes.
John Kerry, January 23rd, 2003:
“Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he’s miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction.”
“If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” – Bill Clinton, February 17th, 1998
“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.” – Madeleine Albright, February 1st, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has ten times since 1983.” – Sandy Berger, Clinton national security advisor, February 18th, 1998
“We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” That from a letter to President Clinton signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, October 9th, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” – Nancy Pelosi, December 16th, 1998
“Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” – Madeleine Albright, Clinton’s secretary of state, November 10th, 1999
“We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” – Senator Carl Levin (D-MI), September 19th, 2002
“We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” – Al Gore, September 23rd, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” – Al Gore, September 23rd, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” – Ted Kennedy, September 27th, 2002.
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of '98. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons.” – Robert Byrd (D-WV) October 3rd, 2002.
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has and has had for a number of years a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” – Senator Bob Graham, Democrat, Florida, December 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” – Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10th of 2002
“There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” – Senator Jay Rockefeller, October 10th, 2002
“I will be voting to give the president of the US the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” – Senator John Kerry, October 9th, 2002
I want everyone to pay particular attention to the dates.
The most telling are the dates BEFORE W. came to office.
For my little liberal friends who say “At least we never went to war,” I’m forced to ask you to read these quotes again.
These quotes leave no doubt about the convictions of the democrats.
If you oppose the war, voted for any of these people, you are going to have to either admit that these officials were “lying/(like W.)” or they didn’t have the courage/conviction to remove an obvious threat.
I’m interested in your choice.
JeffR[/quote]
So what your saying is that of the two political parties America has both were either moronic enough to believe Hussein had WMD or lied about it. Sweet.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
JeffR, take a good look at where this military establishment of ours is headed - or would you just consider this “awesome” technology?
Iraq is only a beginning…
Super-soldiers may get brain-chip
24-10-2005
The Daily Telegraph
US military experts are attempting to create an army of super-human soldiers who will be more intelligent and deadly thanks to a microchip implanted in their brains.
Scientists believe the implant will vastly improve the memory of troops so that they can recall every detail of their training and become more effective fighters.
Researchers at the University of Southern California’s bio-engineering department have created the chip, which acts in exactly the same way as the hippocampus - the part of the brain that deals with memory.
In experiments, the team removed that section of the brain of dead rats and inserted the chip in its place. The implant sent exactly the same electronic signals as the real thing.
The next stage of the project is to test the implant on live animals. If this work proves to be as successful, experiments could one day be carried out on soldiers.
http://www.news.com.au/story/print/0,10119,17013218,00.html
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Y’think they’ll be made intelligent enough to stop going to war?
Regardless of whether he had the support of democrats or not, it is up to america for the pres to make good choices.
I remember all the politcal rhetoric before the war in iraq started, then heard about the barrage of missles at the very start of the war on my car radio i was pissed!
Has anybody read the recent news reports that sadaam hussein had basically bargained that he would be exiled and that the U.S. would come in and take over? We didnt live up to that side of the bargain, bush is just way too warlike to make a good leader.