It’s funny that you’re railing on Aragon for seemingly being ignorant about veteran’s issues then you say this shit. The issue tends to not be access to help, it’s getting them to seek help when needed. Vets are very self-reliant and DO NOT like to seem helpless/in need of help. The issue is a lot deeper than even YOU are giving attention to…
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Truth is not relative. It is not just a belief.
All belief systems go against reality at least some of the time. Which goes against reality the fewest of times?
I didn’t say truth was relative.
I’m not interested in selling you on a different belief system. Personally I have bunches of belief systems I’ve developed to help me see all kinds of weird things that I would probably be better without
Belief systems help you see some stuff while blinding you to others. You could learn much from the posters here if you were interested in learning. I have. You really think you’ve got it all figured out?
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And that IS better than what we have now. As EVERYONE will be covered.
What do you mean by a lot? What about the people who currently have no healthcare due to cost?
Since the information rarely changes then I think it shows that the evidence is more solid.
Yes, taxes will go up but since people won’t be paying the private taxes(healthcare monthly premiums) there is actually a net savings. Maybe not for everyone but on balance this is true.
I never said they would decrease as much as countries in the EU. But the costs will be less.
Who would this be? The uber-wealthy?
As if they don’t already die needlessly without healthcare.
So if you think that people who fund my information that I post financially benefit from the information, then show it.
Examples?
Yes, 6 year old data that changes very little through the years. Absolutely worthless.
Yes, I realize they aren’t to be believed like the Koch funded Cato Institute.
So small business in favor of single-payer. This can’t be true.
Not what I said. Of course it doesn’t surprise me that you didn’t comprehend it.
What I DID say, was that is is a) incredibly complicated and b) you wouldn’t understand it, so there was no point in me talking about it.
If you can’t crawl, you sure as hell can’t sprint the 100m, and I don’t have the patience or time to teach you.
Where the hell did that come in? We weren’t talking about homeless veterans, don’t change the subject. And also, you’re an idiot–it is a very real problem.
I have already been on their side and have seen the things that they have. Their absolute desperation to raise plausible deniability and split hairs. Just to keep their ideology alive. You have usmccds423 finally giving up on the medicinal cannabis question as it relates to the pharma industry lobbying against it’s legalization. The best he can do is say something extremely embarrassing like “he doesn’t care and doesn’t want to cry over spilled milk.” He can’t admit to the truth as it could/would undermine his economic ideology. To admit that the pharma industry practices monopoly behavior trying to deny relief to the public so they can make more money is something that is unfathomable to him and not allowed. So we have that. Also we had another poster trying to excuse the behavior of Jeff Sessions when he stated that “marijuana is only slightly less worse than heroin”. He excused this by saying something like he is only saying something like this as his handlers make policy. As if parroting blatant lies to the public is part of his job and okay. The people on this forum are extremely embarrassing for their side.
Like I said earlier, we are all on the same field. There is no “my side”, “there side”. You’re on the same side. Most of them get that. You could have learned that from someone other than me, if you’d been more open minded with them sooner. It’s not too late.
God knows what else you’re missing, just by being dismissive
Lol, is that what you think has happened? You’re even dumber than I thought, which in and of itself is impressive.
You are the least aware human being I have ever encountered. If you had a brain you’d be embarrassed by your posts, but you don’t.
You make me want a test to vote.
Also, they don’t all have the same belief system.
None of them have the same exact belief system.
“Right wing” - sure - most of them
But you’ve gotta pay more attention to the small stuff too. The big stuff is just a sum of the individual pieces
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That’s better to you. It’s better for other people. It’s not better for everyone. Not by a country mile.
By a lot I mean the millions that currently have private (& good) insurance. I’m personally an example. I have good private coverage at a pretty affordable (relatively) rate because I’m young and healthy with a young/healthy family.
The people that can’t afford it is what you should be focusing on. Because that’s the “better” part of single payer. Not this horseshit “better for everyone” horseshit you keep going on about.
Changes in HC costs and market volatility is actually very high in that industry.
Exactly. Not. For. Everyone.
You keep getting all pissy with people that have a legitimate complaint of the idea. It’s more money out of their pockets and, for many, lower quality of care. So you’re asking people like ME to accept lower average care in exchange for a higher price tag.
Fwiw, AGAIN, I’m on board with a single payer plan. But don’t act like it doesn’t fuckin hurt some of us.
The per capita costs would be lower. The absolute (total) amount would be higher. That’s even from your own sources.,
Me. I’m 28 with 2 kids and a wife making middle income money. There’s a lot of me’s out there. Like a lot. A lot of us suffer EXTRA from a single payer system. Some of us accept it anyways, some of us don’t. I don’t blame a single other me for their decision.
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I agree with most of USMC’s points tbh. One thing that I genuinely believe though, is the drastic reduction in per capita costs we’d see.
Another being that I also genuinely believe the US doesn’t have a revenues problem, it has a spending problem. Ludicrous amounts for defense, stupidly inefficient programs (many many of which could be dissolved into single payer), etcetcetc. that could all be cut and make our “HC expense” not really feel all that bad.
Wages are stagnating, another economic dip is approaching, we’re at some of the lowest unemployment of my lifetime, and HC costs are still outpacing inflation. All of these factors grouped point toward an inevitable move to single payer imo. The numbers aren’t going anywhere.
There’s a reason the GOP constantly and reliably shits the bed with HC after berating Obama for almost a decade. There isn’t a good answer. To me though, the earlier single payer hits, the more control you have over the future inflation of prices. Every year that goes by HC costs outpace inflation a little bit more and it swallows a litttle more GDP.
This isn’t an emotional decision for me. It’s not even really a “greater good” situation (although that certainly doesn’t hurt). We did the same thing with utilities when we realized we had to. It’s just math
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Going backwards here. Thoughtful post. This, though, I don’t think holds. When was the last time utilities really innovated or researched? If you want I suppose you could call internet a utility (please don’t go there!) but water, gas, electric? Not a lot of innovation in lines, distribution nets, or anything else. We’re still majority petrol power anyways.
At the very least a lack of innovation doesn’t really hurt any of us–not so in healthcare. Research and innovation is absolutely critical here, and I really have a hard time believing that utility style policy would keep us clipping along with our research pace.
This I absolutely agree with, 110% (at least no good answer that politicians could come up with).
This is an interesting angle I hadn’t considered before…very interesting.
Again agree 100%
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