Not outside a few congressmen. But you asked about voters beliefs, not parties. Fiscal conservativism is something that many voters–such as myself and thunderbolt–are very concerned with. There are myriad examples of voters believing something contrary to how the party acts.
Yes but again, Hillary was corrupt as hell too. We only have the Orange Tornado to look at now. And besides, you made the point in regards to how voters feel, not parties.
Yeah, I was explaining to Tyler why Pat posted that, not you (I kinda figured you knew).
Also true. I took it as a more general question–Im not upper class but many principles are important to me that don’t necessarily benefit me personally. Taxes do of course
I still just find it immensely ironic that the party of gerrymandering and voter suppression (direct influence over the voting process) has the balls to say “forced equality”
How do you make your concern known? My point was to demonstrate that being fiscally conservative only impacts voting habits when fiscal conservatism is possible. If there’s no way for a fiscally conservative person to exert influence on that topic, how does it sway voting other than in a wizard of Oz sense?
Right, but everyone knew that already. Trump (and many in the GOP) had sold America on this concept of a swamp needing to be drained. That resulted in a temporary positive for the GOP. Now that it has been exposed, the shift reversed
Due to this swamp mentality, voters FEEL angry. Angry at the system, angry at DC, angry at Pols, etc. Now they just don’t have a Boogeyman with a face. It’s much harder to be angry with a concept
I’ve had a few IRL debates in recents days with some friends, specifically about fiscal conservatism. I’m of the opinion that Trump started a movement of disenfranchising fiscally conservative voters, and the GOPs latest tax bill finished it off.
Let’s say you’re a fiscally conservative voter. In a literal sense, you walk into a voting booth. How are your votes impacted by said beliefs?
I more or less agree. Fiscal conservatism was the core of my support for the GOP, I now do not really know where I would vote. I don’t agree with the GOP on many non-fiscal issues, but I also disagree with how the Dems approach them. Not sure where that leaves me, somewhere in the middle.
With the latest shift in the GOP I will turn to other issues, but will still attempt to vote for fiscal conservatism at the local level where it applies. I didn’t vote for Trump though, and I imagine tribalism will make it so the base of both parties will still vote where they traditionally have but the level of enthusiasm will be different.
I still contend I’d have voted McCain/Romney if the GOP wasn’t so horrifically bad on social issues and defense spending
I think this is where the GOP will really feel the pain. They spent a decade painting Obama as the enemy then HRC. It’s so much harder to motivate people en masse when the bad guy is a concept like “socialism” etcetc
I had such high hopes for the libertarian party. But I wasn’t able to successfully climax to the provided picture of Jefferson or Washington in 30 seconds or less. Failed the damn entrance exam
The secret is to imagine Washington taking out his false teeth and using those sweet sweet gums … works like a charm. I tend to ignore Jefferson - the picture they provide looks too much like my grandma. Now you know for next time…(i really feel dirty defaming Washington like this - truly and amazing, complex individual)
Yeah but the GOP NEEDS a face behind the evil the same as the Dems to really get the fear going. For them, it’s Obama and HRC, for the Dems, it’s the Koch brothers and DJT.
The GOP/media really really really overblows the support Dems have for Warren. It turned into the Dems defending her just because the GOP hated her so much
I’ve actually never had Warren come up in conversation with any Dem for any reason.
The following is not a comment on whether or not its right or wrong.
It was forced because it was ‘legalized’ by the judiciary and not legislatively. Again, it’s not a comment on whether or not is should or should not be legal. The way it went down was what makes it forced. It was the enforcement branch of the government that made it legal. And whether or not you agree with the decision, you do not want the judiciary doing to much legislating.
My opinion is I don’t care and I haven’t cared in a long time.