First Cycle. Test, Tren, Tbol. Advice?

doses are fine. I’d keep the oral to 5 weeks or less. diminishing returns after that.

and yea like shaw said, you can split the dose or not, doesn’t matter much. I don’t split doses on orals. I think the net impact is negligible. I did the first couple cycles, didn’t really seem to matter.

Thanks a lot brother! I’m going to be putting your advice into action!

I agree with @flipcollar rationale for adding an oral, and I think Dbol would be best, but I think you also need liver support.

I was on TRT, ran a blast of 500mg of test, and did 40mg of Dbol a day for the first four weeks, sort of. I really used the Dbol as a pre workout on days I lifted, so not everyday.

And, my cholesterol went from 200 to 240 and my liver enzymes were elevated. They weren’t batshit crazy, but were elevated.

I would stick to Test only, 500mg a week, no AI, have it on hand.

But the DBOL idea of 40-50mg a day isn’t a bad idea. Test only will take three weeks at least to feel it.

Get blood tests before, after four weeks, and again after the cycle I think.

Didn’t see your PCT, but make sure you have that sorted as well.

EDIT: Also be able to explain why you are getting jacked to your friends - it will get noticeable.

Problem is, this is bad, on orals HDL typically gets crushed, so chances are LDL increased by 50-60 points if not more, certain subfractions of LDL are more dangerous with regard to long term risk of atherosclerosis and arterial calcification however when you have a HDL/LDL ratio of like 1:15 it’s baaaaad, with winny the ratio can be like 1:282828381783919918 lol

This is quality advice right here.

so I’ve been negligent in that regard, but I actually just bought TUDCA for the first time yesterday. I’ve decided to use it every time I incorporate orals going forward.

I’ve always come back with good bloodwork, but last year I had a couple stretches where I just felt run down, kinda sick, no appetite, and I’m assuming this could have been from the fact that I wasn’t supporting my cycles appropriately. Trying to be more responsible this year :slight_smile:

Thanks for doing me a solid! I am going to have arimadex on hand and nolva for pct. I will definitely get some thistle and liver support for the orals as well

I didn’t think you were negligent, figured you were good with out it. Like AI’s if I recall correctly.

I was only speaking from personal experience, which is admittedly limited. I only know because my liver shit went up and I was taking Tudca. Guessing I’m a special snowflake. Just highlights the importance of blood work if you’re going to do it right.

FWIW, never took an AI.

1 Like

Old thread but I’ve run a lot of tren and it works complete opposite for me I look at the exhaust of my truck and think that might be suitable my wife loves it for that reason but hates the guy I turn into when cycling it. But yes I have heard horror story’s about tren definitely not a newbie thing to run