Filibusters

[quote]100meters wrote:
Ok, first Rethugs coined “nuclear”. I believe it was Trent Lott who is given general credit for it. Apparently “nuclear” doesn’t poll well, so now they’re changing it to “constitutional” (still not polling well). Of course as established in the real world, it’s not unconstitutional to filibuster! It is constitutional for the senate to est. its own rules. Sen. Rule 31 makes it clear that a nominee is not guaranteed an up or down vote. And the ONLY thing radical are the judges being blocked (Good!). What would be unprecedented would be a majority party ignoring senate rules just because they feel like it. To succeed they’d have to pre-empt senate rules, because a rule change itself needs a 2/3 majority. The reality would be that the majority could just ignore their own senate rules. All this to pacify Dobson, and his pack of constitution haters. Go FRISTY! (please dear god let him win the GOP nomination, or should I be cheering for Santorum? Ah the face of today’s conservative party!)[/quote]

That’s an incredibly incorrect analysis. Ever leave your neighborhood? Travel outside Boystown!

[i]The U.S. Senate likes to call itself the world’s greatest deliberative body. The greatest obstructive body is more like it. In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster.

Hooray for him.

For years Senate filibusters ? when they weren’t conjuring up romantic images of Jimmy Stewart as Mr. Smith, passing out from exhaustion on the Senate floor ? consisted mainly of negative feats of endurance. Senator Sam Ervin once spoke for 22 hours straight. Outrage over these tactics and their ability to bring Senate business to a halt led to the current so-called two-track system, whereby a senator can hold up one piece of legislation while other business goes on as usual.

The two-track system has been nearly as obstructive as the old rules. Under those rules, if the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to end debate and bring a bill to a vote, someone had to be willing to continue the debate, in person, on the floor. That is no longer required. Even if the 60 votes are not achieved, debate stops and the Senate proceeds with other business. The measure is simply put on hold until the next cloture vote. In this way a bill can be stymied at any number of points along its legislative journey.

One unpleasant and unforeseen consequence has been to make the filibuster easy to invoke and painless to pursue. Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate convictions, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, dooming any measure that cannot command the 60 required votes.

Mr. Harkin, along with Senator Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut Democrat, now proposes to make such obstruction harder. Mr. Harkin says reasonably that there must come a point in the process where the majority rules. This may not sit well with some of his Democratic colleagues. They are now perfectly positioned to exact revenge by frustrating the Republican agenda as efficiently as Republicans frustrated Democrats in 1994.

Admirably, Mr. Harkin says he does not want to do that. He proposes to change the rules so that if a vote for cloture fails to attract the necessary 60 votes, the number of votes needed to close off debate would be reduced by three in each subsequent vote. By the time the measure came to a fourth vote ? with votes occurring no more frequently than every second day ? cloture could be invoked with only a simple majority. Under the Harkin plan, minority members who feel passionately about a given measure could still hold it up, but not indefinitely.

Another set of reforms, more incremental but also useful, is proposed by George Mitchell, who is retiring as the Democratic majority leader. He wants to eat away at some of the more annoying kinds of brakes that can be applied to a measure along its legislative journey.

One example is the procedure for sending a measure to a conference committee with the House. Under current rules, unless the Senate consents unanimously to send a measure to conference, three separate motions can be required to move it along. This gives one senator the power to hold up a measure almost indefinitely. Mr. Mitchell would like to reduce the number of motions to one.

He would also like to limit the debate on a motion to two hours and count the time consumed by quorum calls against the debate time of a senator, thus encouraging senators to save their time for debating the substance of a measure rather than in obstruction. All of his suggestions seem reasonable, but his reforms would leave the filibuster essentially intact.

The Harkin plan, along with some of Mr. Mitchell’s proposals, would go a long way toward making the Senate a more productive place to conduct the nation’s business. Republicans surely dread the kind of obstructionism they themselves practiced during the last Congress. Now is the perfect moment for them to unite with like-minded Democrats to get rid of an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.[/i]

You just read a New York Times editorial, c. January 1, 1995.

Amusing, no? And this was just talking about filibusters overall, as they were applied then with respect to legislation – and particularly galling to the NYT, as they were applied regarding Hillary-Care.

All these arguments don’t even touch on the Constitutional implications regarding the Presidential Appointment Power… I wonder why… Oh yeah – because it wasn’t used in that Unconstitutional manner before Bush 43’s first term…

Also, for those of you who want to see the playbook that Frist will likely follow to invoke the Nuclear Option – and have the stomach to read a law-review-type article, published by the Harvard Journal for Law and Public Policy – this article lays it out in detail:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Gold_Gupta_JLPP_article.pdf

Do you think that the Priscilla Owen debate will trigger the the ‘nuclear option’? Or do you think that the dems will sit down and shut up after the debate, and vote?

I think that regardless of the route - Owen will be confirmed. Frist has his finger on the button, and I doubt that the dems will try and call his bluff this time.

However, if Reid gets too self-important - Frist will push the button at a moments notice.

But that’s just how I see it.

Rainjack,

I think if the Dems are going to put it on the line for one nominee, it will be Janice Rogers Brown. 1) She’s a conservative black woman, not just a conservative woman; and 2) She’s made some statements in some speeches that could reasonably be found objectionable (though those sentiments have not shown up in her judicial rulings).

But we’ll see how it goes.

Aside from the Constitutional issue, we should examine the “extremist” claims the Dems are putting forth with respect to the nominees.

I think this is a particularly incisive post that looks at a Clinton nominee whom the Republicans did NOT filibuster (maybe because it’s Unconstitutional…) – note that this was her record at the time she was nominated, and the remarks by Senator Hatch were contemporaneous to the nomination’s consideration.

Clearly, the Senate – and particularly the minority party in the Senate, which the Republicans were at the time – previously did not understand that its role was to impose ideological restrictions on the President’s choices for nominees (and again, particularly not by Unconstitutional means…):

http://www.nationalreview.com/benchmemos/063351.asp

Putting Judicial Nominees in Perspective
[Edward Whelan 05/17 03:03 PM]

Time for a bit of perspective. As Senate Democrats attack and distort the records of President Bush?s judicial nominees, it is instructive to examine the record of judicial nominees that Senate Democrats regarded as stellar. Let?s begin with Rosemary Barkett, who was nominated by President Clinton to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals in 1993 and was confirmed in 1994.
Senator Hatch?s statement on the floor of the Senate summarized the overwhelming case against the Barkett nomination. Simply put, Barkett?s record was demonstrably awful across the board. Yet this is the nominee whom Sen. Kennedy described as an ?outstanding jurist? and whom all the Senate Democrats, except for Sen. Byrd, voted to confirm.

Here are some highlights from Sen. Hatch?s statement. (For ease of reading, I?ve made minor edits in brackets and have added the headings and bullet marks below.) If you read nothing else, read about the Dougan case under the Death Penalty heading.

Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process
? [I]n her dissent in University of Miami versus Echarte, Chief Justice Barkett voted to strike down statutory caps on noneconomic damages in medical malpractice cases. In addition to a variety of State law grounds, her dissent also relied upon the Federal equal protection clause. Without citing any Federal precedent, she asserted: ?I fail to see how singling out the most seriously injured medical malpractice victims for less than full recovery bears any rational relationship to the Legislature’s stated goal of alleviating the financial crisis in the medical liability insurance industry.?

In fact, the rational relationship between the means and the goal is self-evident and was clearly spelled out by the legislature. One might well disagree with caps on noneconomic damages as a policy matter. But, Chief Justice Barkett’s purported application of rational-basis review is a stark overreach and a flagrant misuse of the Federal equal protection clause. At her hearing, she acknowledged that she should not have relied on that clause.

? In another case, Shriner’s Hospital versus Zrillic, the nominee again relied on the rational basis standard under the Federal equal protection clause ? as well as on a variety of State law grounds ? in striking down a statute. In her opinion, she took the remarkable position that `underinclusive or overinclusive classifications fail to meet even the minimal standards of the rational basis test.’ This distortion of rational basis review into something akin to strict scrutiny clearly flies in the face of equal protection principles set forth in nearly 50 years of U.S. Supreme Court precedent.

? Justice Barkett’s misreliance on the Federal equal protection clause in these two cases is all the more striking to me in light of her partial dissent in Foster versus State. There, in seeking to rely on a theory of statistical racial discrimination in a challenge to the death penalty, she expressly acknowledged that the Federal equal protection clause was unavailable to her in light of a Supreme Court decision, McCleskey versus Kemp, squarely rejecting her view under the U.S. Constitution. Accordingly, in her Foster opinion she only relied on the Florida equal protection clause. Yet, she did not recognize the error of relying on the Federal Constitution when she wrote her opinions in Echarte and Zrillic. Her failure to appreciate in these two opinions that Supreme Court precedent foreclosed her reliance on the U.S. Constitution deeply troubles me.

? I also find Chief Justice Barkett’s reliance on Federal substantive due process very troubling. In State versus Saiez, she wrote an opinion holding that a State law criminalizing the possession of embossing machines capable of counterfeiting credit cards violated substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.' Briefly, let me just say here, this expansive, substantive use of the due process clause is insupportable under Supreme Court precedent. The nominee testified that she was really relying on State due process grounds and her inclusion of the Federal due process clause was careless’.

Obscenity

? [I]n Stall versus State, Chief Justice Barkett joined a dissent striking down a State obscenity statute on State law grounds. She also wrote separately in an opinion that, again, is sweeping and overbroad. There are several problems with this dissent.

First, her statement that, `A basic legal problem with the criminalization of obscenity is that it cannot be defined’ is flatly contradicted by the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark opinion in Miller versus California (413 U.S. 15 (1973)), which Chief Justice Barkett does not even acknowledge, much less discuss.

Second, she sweepingly claims that an obscenity law such as the one in Florida violates `every principle of notice and due process in our society’ ? not, I might add, a statement limited to state law principles, and, again, contradicted by the Miller decision.

Third, Chief Justice Barkett’s opinion mischaracterizes the Florida law in the case: That law does not turn on the subjective' view of a handful of law enforcement people and jurors or judges, as she incorrectly suggests. The Florida law incorporates the standard set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in Miller. The law bans materials that, judged by contemporary community standards, appeal to the prurient interest, that depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, specifically defined sexual conduct, and that lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. Thus, the role of jurors or judges under this law would not be to make their own subjective definition’ of what is obscene, but rather to discern and apply existing community standards.

Criminal Law

? With respect to criminal law issues aside from the death penalty, I believe that the nominee has too often erroneously come down on the side of lawbreakers and against police officers and law enforcement. She has exhibited an unduly restrictive view of the Fourth Amendment that would hamstring the police, especially with regard to controlling drugs.

For example, in Bostick [v. State], a case involving cocaine trafficking, Justice Barkett adopted an across-the-board, per se ban on passenger searches on intercity buses even though Supreme Court precedent clearly called for an analysis of a search’s legality based on all of the particular circumstances of the search. The U.S. Supreme Court reversed her.

The U.S. Supreme Court also reversed her in the Riley case, where her misapplication of precedent would have led to dismissal of charges against criminals growing marijuana. In yet another drug case, the Court criticized her overbroad reading of precedent.

In her dissent in a case called Cross, Justice Barkett refused to credit the testimony of police officers that they had seen cocaine packaged in the same peculiar way on hundreds of occasions in their combined 20 years of law enforcement. In so doing, she ignored Florida precedent cited by the majority that provided that the observation of an experienced policeman of circumstances associated with drugs could provide probable cause for an arrest.

In another dissent, she ignored settled principles enunciated in U.S. Supreme Court precedent in finding that someone who was growing marijuana in his backyard had his fourth amendment rights violated when police, acting on a tip, looked over a 6-foot fence, spotted the marijuana plants and then obtained a search warrant. Rather than inquiring whether the defendant had an expectation of privacy that was objectively reasonable, Chief Justice Barkett simply displayed her personal opposition toward what she regarded as overly intrusive law enforcement.

? Justice Barkett has also written opinions striking down narrowly drawn laws that ban loitering for the purpose of prostitution and drug dealing. These opinions are badly flawed and misapply precedent. Moreover, they seriously disable communities from preventing harmful crime.

Death Penalty

? If a nominee exhibits a clear tendency to strain for unconvincing escapes from the imposition of the death penalty in cases where that penalty is appropriate, then that raises concerns in my mind about the nominee’s fidelity to the law, no matter how many times the nominee may have upheld the death penalty in other cases. From my review of her record, I have concluded that Justice Barkett clearly exhibits such a tendency. [O]ne of Justice Barkett’s dissenting opinions [(in Foster v. State)] would render the death penalty virtually unenforceable, unless imposed on the basis of racial quotas. Overall, I believe that Justice Barkett, in reviewing death sentences, views aggravating circumstances too narrowly; construes mitigating circumstances too broadly; creates unjustified categorical exclusions from death penalty eligibility; subjects the death penalty to racial statistical analysis that would paralyze its implementation, as I have just discussed; and creates procedural anomalies.

? Dougan versus State is a 1992 Florida Supreme Court case. Dougan was the leader of a group that called itself the Black Liberation Army and that, according to the trial judge, had as its `apparent sole purpose * * * to indiscriminately kill white people and thus start a revolution and a race war.’ One evening in 1974, he and four other members of his group, armed with a pistol and a knife, went in search of victims. They picked up a white hitchhiker, Steven Orlando, drove him to an isolated trash dump, stabbed him repeatedly, and threw him to the ground. As Orlando writhed in pain and begged for his life, Dougan put his foot on Orlando’s head and shot him twice ? once in the chest and once in the ear ? killing him instantly. Subsequent to the murder, Dougan made several tape recordings bragging about the murder, and mailed them to the victim’s mother as well as to the media. The following excerpt from one of the tapes aptly illustrates the content: ?He was stabbed in the back, in the chest and the stomach, ah, it was beautiful. You should have seen it. Ah, I enjoyed every minute of it. I loved watching the blood gush from his eyes.?

The Florida Supreme Court upheld the death penalty for Dougan. Justice Barkett and another Justice joined a remarkable and very disturbing dissent by Justice McDonald in which she voted to reduce the death penalty to life imprisonment, with eligibility for parole in 25 years[:] ?This case is not simply a homicide case, it is also a social awareness case. Wrongly, but rightly in the eyes of Dougan, this killing was effectuated to focus attention on a chronic and pervasive illness of racial discrimination and of hurt, sorrow, and rejection. Throughout Dougan’s life his resentment to bias and prejudice festered. His impatience for change, for understanding, for reconciliation matured to taking the illogical and drastic action of murder. His frustrations, his anger, and his obsession of injustice overcame reason. The victim was a symbolic representation of the class causing the perceived injustices.

?To some extent, [Dougan’s] emotions were parallel to that of a spouse disenchanted with marriage, full of discord and disharmony which, because of frustration or rejection, culminate in homicide. We seldom uphold a death penalty involving husbands and wives or lovers, yet the emotion of that hate-love circumstance are somewhat akin to those which existed in this case.

?Such a sentence reduction should aid in an understanding and at least a partial reconciliation of the wounds arising from discordant racial relations that have permeated our society. To a large extent, it was this disease of racial bias and discrimination that infect an otherwise honorable person and contributed to the perpetration of the most horrible of crimes. An approval of the death penalty would exacerbate rather than heal those wounds still affecting a large segment of our society.?

[quote]Cream wrote:

This is an awesome argument. “I don’t have any idea what I am talking about, I form beliefs based on vague feelings and things I heard on TV. If you give me a point-by-point breakdown and counterargument to everything you say I’m going to simply not read it and continue on and on. Only after fifteen replies am I going to take the time to read the appropriate bit in the Constitution that you’ve already posted. Oh, and I didn’t look into any snooty HARVARD analyses like you did. I only read Berkeley’s Student Newspaper The Limpwristed Manhole, and my favorite quarterly magazine Basket Weaving for Physics Undergraduates.”
I love it.[/quote]

Both those publications are my favorite. The harvard analysis was posted as a backdrop to the conversation at hand not by me but someone else.

I never was disagreeing to the given opinion–while I do disagree–I was disagreeing with the method of argument. It’s sometimes difficult to murk your way through literature that is not what you are used to. I only got in on the thread because I questioned the use of a statistic that I thought pointless (I argue statistics with professionals everyday and am quite trained in it). It is great that there is an individual willing to take the time to write…journals full of inforamation–it seems to me a little overdone just to try and make a point that you feel somethng is unconstitutional.

Here’s a fun* one my buddy sent me – a law review article by liberal Constitutional law professors Erwin Chemerinsky and Catherine Fisk, from back in 1996-97 (Who was president then? And who controlled the Senate? Oh yeah…), arguing that the whole of the filibuster should be scrapped, and that Senate Rule XXII, which 100Meters loves and which requires the 2/3 vote to change Senate rules and which Republicans have (re)discovered (because Senator Byrd established the precedent back in the early 80s) a way around, was Unconstitutional:

http://eprints.law.duke.edu/archive/00000772/01/49_Stan._L._Rev._181_(1996-1997).pdf

Of course, that didn’t stop Chemerinsky from writing a more recent (12/5/04) op-ed in the LA Times to the effect that eliminating the filibuster only with respect to judicial nominations, which actually interfered with an enumerated Presidential power, was “a cynical exercise of raw power and not based on constitutional principle or precedent.”

The article can be found here, but only if you want to pay for LA Times archives, as it was written last year when the “nuclear option” was first discussed seriously:

I wonder what had more to do with Chemerinsky’s change in tune: A change in the meaning of the Constitution, or a change in the party in power?

What a maroon…

*It is acknowledged that law review articles can only be considered “fun” in the most perverted sense of the word, and the “fun” referenced was not to be found in reading said article…

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
*It is acknowledged that law review articles can only be considered “fun” in the most perverted sense of the word, and the “fun” referenced was not to be found in reading said article…[/quote]

I’m with you on that–74 pages. Einstein’s explaination of special relativity was shorter–and easier to understand.

This is interesting too, for purely political reasons (and much shorter than either law review articles or scientific papers):

Memos reveal strategy behind judge filibusters

By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 18, 2005

The “nuclear” showdown that is expected to begin unfolding in the Senate today has its origins in closed-door discussions more than three years ago between key Senate Democrats and outside interest groups as they huddled to plot strategies for blocking President Bush’s judicial nominees.

In a Nov. 7, 2001, internal memo to Sen. Richard J. Durbin, who is now the minority whip, an aide described a meeting that the Illinois Democrat had missed between groups opposed to Mr. Bush's nominees and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat and member of the Judiciary Committee. 

"Based on input from the groups, I would place the appellate nominees in the categories below," the staffer wrote, listing 19 nominees as "good," "bad" or "ugly." 

Four of the 10 nominees who Democrats have since filibustered were deemed either "bad" or "ugly." None of those deemed "good" by the outside groups was filibustered. 

Among those listed as "ugly" was Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen, whose nomination will be brought to the floor today by Majority Leader Bill Frist, Tennessee Republican. 

The internal Democratic memos, downloaded from Democratic computer servers in the Judiciary Committee by Republican staffers, offer a unique look into the early stages of the filibuster campaign, when Democrats were clearly doubtful that they could succeed in blocking any of the nominees. 

In the 14 memos obtained in November 2003 by the Wall Street Journal and The Washington Times, Democratic staffers outlined the concerns held by outside groups about Justice Owen's "hostile" position toward abortion and her "pro-business" attitude. 

In a June 4, 2002, memo to Mr. Kennedy, staffers advised him that Justice Owen would be "our next big fight." 

"We agree that she is the right choice -- she has a bad record on labor, personal injury and choice issues, and a broad range of national and local Texas groups are ready to oppose her," the aides wrote. 

Another nominee discussed often in the memos is Miguel Estrada, a Washington lawyer who became the first filibustered nominee and who withdrew his nomination to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit after waiting two years for a final vote. 

In the 2001 memo to Mr. Durbin, the staffer explained the concerns that the outside groups had about Mr. Estrada. 

"They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous because he had a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment," the aide wrote. 

The memos also reveal the close relationship between Democrats and the outside groups. 

In a June 21, 2002, memo to Democrats Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Durbin, Sen. Charles E. Schumer of New York and Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington, a staffer urged delaying a hearing for Mr. Estrada to "give the groups time to complete their research and the committee time to collect additional information." 

One nominee who wasn't filibustered was Judge Timothy Tymkovich, who now sits on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit. But Democrats opposed moving him until all the groups had given their approval. 

"[I]t appears that the groups are willing to let Tymkovich go through (the core of the coalition made that decision last night, but they are checking with the gay rights groups)," staffers wrote Mr. Kennedy in a June 12, 2002, memo. 

But even as late at early 2003, Democrats appeared concerned that they would not succeed in mounting a full-scale filibuster against their first target. 

In a January 2003 meeting between Democrats on the Judiciary Committee and Democratic leaders in the Senate, Democrats agreed to attempt a filibuster against Mr. Estrada. 

"All in attendance agreed to attempt to filibuster the nomination of Miguel Estrada, if they have the votes to defeat cloture," the judiciary aides wrote. "They also agreed that, if they do not have the votes to defeat cloture, a contested loss would be worse than no contest." 

Fristy continues to bend before Dobson and co.

SEN. SCHUMER: Isn’t it correct that on March 8, 2000, my colleague [Sen. Frist] voted to uphold the filibuster of Judge Richard Paez?

Fristy: The president, the um, in response, uh, the Paez nomination - we’ll come back and discuss this further. Actually I’d like to, and it really brings to what I believe - a point - and it really brings to, oddly, a point, what is the issue. The issue is we have leadership-led partisan filibusters that have, um, obstructed, not one nominee, but two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, in a routine way

Hilarious (It’s ok when we do it but you guys…)

Frist:
The issue is not cloture votes per se, it’s the partisan, leadership-led use of cloture votes to kill - to defeat - to assassinate these nominees. That’s the difference. Cloture has been used in the past on this floor to postpone, to get more info, to ask further questions.

WHOOPS— Frist Lies. The Paez nomination was delayed 4 YEARS before the cat killer voted to uphold the fillibuster—there were no more questions! You have a horrible liar reluctantly about to change senate rules to get the backing of Dobson—what a nut this guy is. Frist don’t look now, but america hate you right now (ouch those polls) Meanwhile clueless Bush has 45 vacancies with nobody appointed!(There goes the claim that dems are holding things up)

Sorry, but it’s just a little bit different when the majority holds a nomination, versus a minority filibuster attempt.

http://slate.msn.com/id/1004818/

From what I read, it took quite a while to build a majority for confirmation for Judge Baez – so you didn’t have a minority of Senators imposing an artificial supermajority requirement against a candidate that had majority approval. He was lucky he just didn’t get voted down, which I’m sure had something to do with racial politicking…

However, I think I should take a moment to note my disappointment with the Senate Republicans for doing the bare minimum with respect to removing an Unconstiutional application of Senatorial rules.

Now, it’s obvious to anyone who cares that the filibuster is Unconstitutional with regard to any use of the Presidential Appointments power, but I guess it is expecting a little too much from politicians to expect them to do what’s obviously right, as opposed to the minimum necessary for the current political goal… I suppose its a bit much to expect partisans to actually make good Constitutional analysis, separate from politics – I mean, if law professors can’t do it, why would I expect more from politicans…

A Washington Times editorial, 5/16/05:

Democrats and the filibuster

Last week marked the fourth anniversary of President Bush?s first round of nominations to the increasingly powerful U.S. circuit courts of appeal. Coming from a newly elected president who proudly told voters in 2000 that conservative Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas represented the kind of judges he would appoint if elected, that first batch of 11 appellate-court nominees included two black Democratic judges previously nominated by President Clinton. It was a magnanimous gesture that went unrequited by Democrats.

Democrats have made much of the fact that the Senate confirmed 204 federal judges during President Bush?s first term, while ?only? 10 judicial nominations were filibustered. However, it is not coincidental that 100 percent of the filibustered nominations were for the powerful circuit courts of appeal.

Democrats also insist that filibustering appellate-court nominations is just one tactic among several that the White House?s opposition party may employ in the Senate. But it is also instructive that 100 percent of their filibustering occurred during the 108th Congress (2003-2004). Democrats never filibustered an appellate-court nomination during the 107th Congress (2001-2002). That is because, as the majority party throughout virtually all of the Senate?s judicial-confirmation process, Democrats didn?t need to filibuster. Instead, they could ? and did ? resort to ?traditional? judicial-opposition tactics, which Republicans have also employed.

Thus, what can only be described as a concerted judicial-filibuster campaign during the 108th Congress was truly unprecedented. Indeed, throughout the entire history of the U.S. Senate, neither the minority-party members in that chamber nor senators of the party that did not occupy the White House had ever before engaged in such a coordinated, protracted filibustering campaign to frequently deny up-or-down votes for one judicial nominee after another. In fact, beyond the 10 appellate-court nominees who were actively filibustered in 2003 and 2004, it should further be noted that Democrats almost certainly would have filibustered additional circuit-court nominees ? including Terrence Boyle, Brett Kavanaugh and Thomas Griffith ? had they moved from the Judiciary Committee to the floor last year.

Democrats have cleverly ? and shrewdly ? perpetrated their unprecedented judicial obstructionism exclusively against nominees to circuit courts of appeal. Relatively speaking, these courts have become vastly more powerful in recent decades. With the Supreme Court issuing fewer and fewer decisions, the circuit courts have become the final arbiters more often than in the past. Unless reversed by the Supreme Court, a decision by an appellate court remains the final determination on both legal and constitutional grounds throughout its jurisdiction. In the case of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, for example, that amounts to nine Western states, which comprise nearly 60 million people, or about 20 percent of the U.S. population. In addition, when the Supreme Court affirms an appellate court?s decision, as it frequently does, the appellate justices will have played an integral role in the issue?s final determination.

Appellate courts are extraordinarily important in another respect. Before arriving on the nation?s highest court, seven of the nine current Supreme Court justices sharpened their judicial philosophies as circuit-court judges. Even the last four Supreme Court nominees who failed to win Senate confirmation ? Clement Haynsworth, G. Harold Carswell, Robert Bork and Douglas Ginsburg ? served on appellate courts. Thus, the appellate bench in recent decades has proved to be by far the single most important source of prospective Supreme Court nominees.
The Supreme Court grooming role played by appellate courts almost certainly explains why Democrats repeatedly ? no fewer than seven times ? voted to continue their filibuster against Miguel Estrada, prompting his eventual withdrawal. A 17-year-old immigrant from Honduras who later graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Columbia and magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, after which he served as a law clerk for Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy and as an assistant to the solicitor general in the U.S. Department of Justice (1992-1997), Mr. Estrada would have been the first Hispanic on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. That court is widely considered the most influential court below the Supreme Court, where Democrats feared Mr. Estrada would later again become the first Hispanic. That, simply, was a precedent Democrats could never tolerate.

The Deomcrats are shutting down the business of the senate in a time of war for this. The Intelligence Committee failed to meet today. Unbelievable, even for them.

[quote]Cream wrote:
The Deomcrats are shutting down the business of the senate in a time of war for this. The Intelligence Committee failed to meet today. Unbelievable, even for them.[/quote]

See if this plays out in the media the way the government shutdown did back in the mid-90s.

If this is played as the Republicans’ fault, it would actually be even more egregious than the media blaming Newt Gingrich for the government shutdown when Clinton refused to sign the budgets they gave him. At least then Clinton was involving himself in the actual procss – in this case the Dem Senators are just refusing to show up so that there’s no quorum.

Courtesy of The Free Republic, some golden-oldie Dem quotes – note that these quotes are more appropriately addressed to the current political talking points than to the actual Constitutional analysis vis a vis application of the filibuster to Presidential Appointments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1406380/posts?page=1

Democrats Thought it was Improper to Filibuster Judicial Nominees
May 19, 2005 | FR Researchers

Posted on 05/19/2005 8:17:55 AM PDT by Peach

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Delaware) March 19, 1997: ?But I also respectfully suggest that everyone who is nominated is entitled to have a shot, to have a hearing and to have a shot to be heard on the floor and have a vote on the floor.?

Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois)September 28, 1998: ?We should meet our responsibility. I think that responsibility requires us to act in a timely fashion on nominees sent before us. … Vote the person up or down.?

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) September 11, 1997: ?Let?s bring their nominations up, debate them if necessary, and vote them up or down.?

Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)February 3, 1998: ?We owe it to Americans across the country to give these nominees a vote. If our Republican colleagues don?t like them, vote against them. But give them a vote.?

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) May 10, 2000: ?The Founding Fathers certainly intended that the Senate advise as to judicial nominations, i.e., consider, debate, and vote up or down. They surely did not intend that the Senate, for partisan or factional reasons, would remain silent and simply refuse to give any advice or consider and vote at all.?

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) 5/14/97 : ?It is not the role of the Senate to obstruct the process and prevent numbers of highly qualified nominees from even being given the opportunity for a vote on the Senate floor.?

Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD): ?I find it simply baffling that a Senator would vote against even voting on a judicial nomination.? (Congressional Record, 10/5/99)

Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD): ?Hispanic or non-Hispanic, African American or non-African American, woman or man, it is wrong not to have a vote on the Senate floor.? (Congressional Record, 10/28/99)

Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND): ?My expectation is that we?re not going to hold up judicial nominations. ?You will not see us do what was done to us in recent years in the Senate with judicial nominations.? (Fox News? ?Special Report With Brit Hume,? 6/4/01)

Richard Durbin (D-IL) “If, after 150 days languishing on the Executive Calendar that name has not been called for a vote, it should be. Vote the person up or down.” (Cong. Rec., 9/28/98, S11021)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA): ?Let?s bring their nominations up, debate them if necessary, and vote them up or down.? (Congressional Record, 9/11/97)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA): ?It is our job to confirm these judges. If we don?t like them, we can vote against them.? (Congressional Record, 9/16/99)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA): ?Our institutional integrity requires an up-or-down vote.? (Congressional Record, 10/4/99)

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA): ?[The filibuster process] is used ? as blackmail for one Senator to get his or her way on something that they could not rightfully win through the normal processes.? (Congressional Record, 1/4/95)

Tom Harkin (D-IA) “Have the guts to come out and vote up or down?.And once and for all, put behind us this filibuster procedure on nominations.” (Cong. Rec., 6/22/95, S8861)

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA): ?I urge the Republican leadership to take the steps necessary to allow the full Senate to vote up or down on these important nominations.? (Congressional Record, 9/11/00)

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): ?We owe it to Americans across the country to give these nominees a vote. If our Republican colleagues don?t like them, vote against them. But give them a vote.? (Congressional Record, 2/3/98)

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): ?It is true that some Senators have voiced concerns about these nominations. But that should not prevent a roll call vote which gives every Senator the opportunity to vote ?yes? or ?no.? … Parties with cases, waiting to be heard by the federal courts deserve a decision by the Senate.? (Congressional Record, 9/21/99)

Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI): ?These nominees, who have to put their lives on hold waiting for us to act, deserve an ?up or down? vote.? (Congressional Record, 9/21/99)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT): ?I hope we ? will accept our responsibility and vote people up or vote them down. ? If we want to vote against them, vote against them.? (Congressional Record, 10/22/97)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT): ?Now, every Senator can vote against any nominee. ? But it is the responsibility of the U.S. Senate to at least bring them to a vote.? (Congressional Record, 10/22/97)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT): ? "I have stated over and over again ? that I would object and fight against any filibuster on a judge, whether it is somebody I opposed or supported ?? (Congressional Record, 6/18/98)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT): ?[E]arlier this year ? I noted how improper it would be to filibuster a judicial nomination.? (Congressional Record, 10/14/98)

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT): ?[I]f the person is otherwise qualified, he or she gets the vote. ? Vote them up, vote them down.? (Congressional Record, 9/21/99)

Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV): ?[W]e should have up-or-down votes in the committee and on the floor.? (CNN?s ?Evans, Novak, Hunt & Shields,? 6/9/01)

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY): ?[W]e are charged with voting on the nominees. The Constitution does not say if the Congress is controlled by a different party than the President there shall be no judges chosen.? (Congressional Record, 3/7/00)

Carl Levin (D-MI) “If a bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate is prepared to vote to confirm the President’s appointment, that vote should occur.” (Cong. Rec., 6/21/95, S8806)

Courtesy of former White House Counsel to Bush 41 General C. Boyden Gray – this illustrates how the majority of the Senate can use its Advise and Consent Power, and also how the Republicans showed restraint using it when they were in control during the Clinton presidency:

On the Senate floor Wednesday, Sen. Durbin sought to justify current Democratic filibusters by claiming that Republicans had held open judicial vacancies during President Clinton?s tenure in order to put Republican judges in those seats later. First, the confirmation slowdown under Clinton occurred mainly during the last year of his second term, a tradition that goes back many years and has been employed by both parties. More to the point, the same strategy was employed ? to greater effect ? by Senate Democrats at the end of President Bush 41?s single term in office.

Of the nominees left dangling from Clinton?s two terms, most did not get through the Judiciary Committee due to a specific cause: late nomination, problems with home-state senators, incomplete paperwork, or they were impeachable, meaning they had behavioral issues in their pasts that rendered them unacceptable. In many of these latter cases, the Clinton White House privately agreed with the decision not to move forward.

Nonetheless, Clinton was able to have 377 of his nominees confirmed?five short of the all-time record. He lost one floor vote for a nominee to the district court. Clinton?s eight-year appellate confirmation rate was 74 percent, in addition to getting two liberals confirmed to the Supreme Court. Many of the Clinton nominees who were delayed for long periods of time and not confirmed had problems with their home-state senators. For example, Helene White, Kathleen McRae Lewis, Jorge Rangel, Enrique Moreno, James Beatty and James Wynn all lacked support from one or both of their home-state senators and did not successfully negotiate these issues.

When the Senate adjourned for the last time under President Clinton, there were 41 nominations dangling and 67 judicial vacancies. Overall, that is a good record.

By comparison, during President George H.W. Bush?s single term, Democrats were more aggressive with such committee procedures. After creating 85 new judgeships in 1990, the majority Democrats slowed down the confirmation process to keep many of them open. After the Clarence Thomas confirmation fight, Democrats temporarily stopped the confirmation process entirely. Though a deal was reached to restart the process, the Democrats were able to keep many outstanding nominees off the bench, including Terry Boyle for the 4th Circuit, Frederica Moreno for the 11th Circuit, Lillian Bevier for the 4th Circuit, and John Roberts for the D.C. Circuit.

In all, at the end of the first President Bush?s term, 54 nominees did not get confirmed and we were left with 97 judicial vacancies.

If Clinton’s two terms are added together, the number left dangling is around 60 ? a figure Democrats cite regularly ? or an average of about 30 per term, compared to 54 for the single term of the first President Bush.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Courtesy of former White House Counsel to Bush 41 General C. Boyden Gray – this illustrates how the majority of the Senate can use its Advise and Consent Power, and also how the Republicans showed restraint using it when they were in control during the Clinton presidency:

On the Senate floor Wednesday, Sen. Durbin sought to justify current Democratic filibusters by claiming that Republicans had held open judicial vacancies during President Clinton?s tenure in order to put Republican judges in those seats later. First, the confirmation slowdown under Clinton occurred mainly during the last year of his second term, a tradition that goes back many years and has been employed by both parties. More to the point, the same strategy was employed ? to greater effect ? by Senate Democrats at the end of President Bush 41?s single term in office.

Of the nominees left dangling from Clinton?s two terms, most did not get through the Judiciary Committee due to a specific cause: late nomination, problems with home-state senators, incomplete paperwork, or they were impeachable, meaning they had behavioral issues in their pasts that rendered them unacceptable. In many of these latter cases, the Clinton White House privately agreed with the decision not to move forward.

Nonetheless, Clinton was able to have 377 of his nominees confirmed?five short of the all-time record. He lost one floor vote for a nominee to the district court. Clinton?s eight-year appellate confirmation rate was 74 percent, in addition to getting two liberals confirmed to the Supreme Court. Many of the Clinton nominees who were delayed for long periods of time and not confirmed had problems with their home-state senators. For example, Helene White, Kathleen McRae Lewis, Jorge Rangel, Enrique Moreno, James Beatty and James Wynn all lacked support from one or both of their home-state senators and did not successfully negotiate these issues.

When the Senate adjourned for the last time under President Clinton, there were 41 nominations dangling and 67 judicial vacancies. Overall, that is a good record.

By comparison, during President George H.W. Bush?s single term, Democrats were more aggressive with such committee procedures. After creating 85 new judgeships in 1990, the majority Democrats slowed down the confirmation process to keep many of them open. After the Clarence Thomas confirmation fight, Democrats temporarily stopped the confirmation process entirely. Though a deal was reached to restart the process, the Democrats were able to keep many outstanding nominees off the bench, including Terry Boyle for the 4th Circuit, Frederica Moreno for the 11th Circuit, Lillian Bevier for the 4th Circuit, and John Roberts for the D.C. Circuit.

"In all, at the end of the first President Bush?s term, 54 nominees did not get confirmed and we were left with 97 judicial vacancies.

If Clinton’s two terms are added together, the number left dangling is around 60 ? a figure Democrats cite regularly ? or an average of about 30 per term, compared to 54 for the single term of the first President Bush.
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“Nuclear option” advocates have also claimed that the confirmation rate for Clinton’s appellate nominees was much higher than for Bush’s nominees. But the confirmation rate in Clinton’s second term and Bush’s first term are nearly identical – 35 of Clinton’s 51 nominees were confirmed, compared to 35 of Bush’s 52 nominees.

Another talking point is that “100 percent” of Clinton’s appellate nominees were approved once they reached the Senate floor. But that statistic is highly misleading because the Republican-led Judiciary Committee blocked the 16 second-term Clinton appellate nominees by keeping them off the floor and, in all but one case, denying them even committee hearings."

Rethugs are still smoking crack. But “president” Dobson wants his judges…

[quote]100meters wrote:

“Nuclear option” advocates have also claimed that the confirmation rate for Clinton’s appellate nominees was much higher than for Bush’s nominees. But the confirmation rate in Clinton’s second term and Bush’s first term are nearly identical – 35 of Clinton’s 51 nominees were confirmed, compared to 35 of Bush’s 52 nominees.

Another talking point is that “100 percent” of Clinton’s appellate nominees were approved once they reached the Senate floor. But that statistic is highly misleading because the Republican-led Judiciary Committee blocked the 16 second-term Clinton appellate nominees by keeping them off the floor and, in all but one case, denying them even committee hearings."

Rethugs are still smoking crack. But “president” Dobson wants his judges…[/quote]

Firstly, with respect those currently advocating the “Byrd” Option, it’s too bad they’re not going further, which they very well should…

I haven’t read all the talking points for the Byrd Option, so I’ll have to take your word on it.

However, the proper point is that 0 of Clinton’s nominees were filibustered, even when the Republicans were the minority party, whereas 10 of Bush’s appellate court nominees have been subject to an Unconstitutional minority-party-imposed supermajority voting requirement, also known as a filibuster.

As to your other point, there’s really not a problem with denying appointees that don’t have majority Senatorial support. Now, aside from what Gray wrote about Clinton privately agreeing with not actively putting some nominees through the committee process due to “problems,” I suppose we could have an argument about whether you could REALLY know whether the nominees didn’t have majority support, but the way you blather on about how the Republicans toe the party line and are so beholden to their leadership, I don’t think you could make your half of that argument very well…

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

“Nuclear option” advocates have also claimed that the confirmation rate for Clinton’s appellate nominees was much higher than for Bush’s nominees. But the confirmation rate in Clinton’s second term and Bush’s first term are nearly identical – 35 of Clinton’s 51 nominees were confirmed, compared to 35 of Bush’s 52 nominees.

Another talking point is that “100 percent” of Clinton’s appellate nominees were approved once they reached the Senate floor. But that statistic is highly misleading because the Republican-led Judiciary Committee blocked the 16 second-term Clinton appellate nominees by keeping them off the floor and, in all but one case, denying them even committee hearings."

Rethugs are still smoking crack. But “president” Dobson wants his judges…

Firstly, with respect those currently advocating the “Byrd” Option, it’s too bad they’re not going further, which they very well should…

I haven’t read all the talking points for the Byrd Option, so I’ll have to take your word on it.

However, the proper point is that 0 of Clinton’s nominees were filibustered, even when the Republicans were the minority party, whereas 10 of Bush’s appellate court nominees have been subject to an Unconstitutional minority-party-imposed supermajority voting requirement, also known as a filibuster.

As to your other point, there’s really not a problem with denying appointees that don’t have majority Senatorial support. Now, aside from what Gray wrote about Clinton privately agreeing with not actively putting some nominees through the committee process due to “problems,” I suppose we could have an argument about whether you could REALLY know whether the nominees didn’t have majority support, but the way you blather on about how the Republicans toe the party line and are so beholden to their leadership, I don’t think you could make your half of that argument very well…[/quote]

Frist isn’t towing the line to party leadership, he’s towing the line for the group whose support he’ll be seeking in order to get the gop nomination. That’s not blather, and everybody in the senate room knows it. Everybody in there also knows Frist is lying, and of course he knows he’s lying—But now he’s finally got to do what his master tells him. In the real world filibusters are good for the senate, we certainly don’t need another house, however the kids are in control now, most are converts from the house, and most obviously they love James Dobson’s ass, but hate america. (and 200 year old senate traditions)