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Yes I’m saying the clomid probably contributed to it at those doses, though it’s not in your system any longer and you’re still having emotional issues because your E2 is still very elevated though, and that is probably due to the massive clomid doses, which I can only imagine had your test through the roof. But as your estrogen rises out of the 20s you start to become more estrogen dominant, and that will make you feel all girly and stuff (technical term). Keep taking your adex and you should start to feel better in a few days to a week. Then you can either take 20mg of nolva or 25mg of clomid for a few weeks to complete your PCT. As long as E2 is high, your LH will be low because E2 is involved in a negative feedback loop which will reduce your test output if E2 gets too high. Not surprised LH is low at this point, and it it probably not something to worry about long term. Just get your E2 under control and you will feel much better.
Once again, thank you for your reply. Things haven’t been that great for me lately and whether you know it or not, you’ve definitely helped make this a little easier for me. I found comfort in the fact that this might be all related to my E2 levels. knowing THIS helps me get through the day. I just hope to God I’ll feel a difference in a week. Even if it’s a SMALL difference, I hope I feel a bit better. Thank you for your help. I’ll follow your advice. I’ll keep taking Adex until I get my E2 levels under control and then I’ll follow it up for Nolva at 25mg. I won’t ever touch Clomid again. Even at low doses. Lesson learned.
Once again, thank you for your reply. Things haven’t been that great for me lately and whether you know it or not, you’ve definitely helped make this a little easier for me. I found comfort in the fact that this might be all related to my E2 levels. knowing THIS helps me get through the day. I just hope to God I’ll feel a difference in a week. Even if it’s a SMALL difference, I hope I feel a bit better. Thank you for your help. I’ll follow your advice. I’ll keep taking Adex until I get my E2 levels under control and then I’ll follow it up for Nolva at 25mg. I won’t ever touch Clomid again. Even at low doses. Lesson learned
This is not a pain management forum and “his system will play itself out and be fine in a few months” shows the gap in your knowledge on the topic. Some males never recover after a cycle, even with a correct PCT.
Good morning Hostile. Hope you are well. I posted my blood test results earlier. Can you please take a look? My E2 is “49”.
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Good morning Hostile. Hope you are well. I posted my blood test results earlier. Can you please take a look? My E2 is “49”
You need to follow a good PCT asap to get your HPTA on it’s own feet and supporting itself again while also getting your e2 under control with the anastrazole/arimidex you already seem to have on hand. Juggs gave some good advice. Read the link below.
Thank you so much. So at this point, the HCG the doctor prescribed wouldn’t be a good idea, right? Just Nolvadex at a low dose with Arimidex?
Yes. You never stack SERM’s with hCG because nolvadex is going to stimulate LH & FSH and hCG is going to SIMULATE LH since it’s an analogue; so it’s not only redundant but will make your system think it’s flooded with LH.
"SERM taper should be tapering slowly down from 20mg EOD. You need to avoid estrogen rebound, not just go through the motions.
While managing E2 levels with a AI during PCT, you need to manage E2 levels post PCT. 0.5mg anastrozole per week in divided EOD dosing should do a good job and cruise on that, tapering out after a few weeks. This will reduce any estrogen rebound tendencies."
Okay, so no HCG. Thank you so much Hostile. I appreciate this more then you know. I’ll just take Nolva with Arimidex and hope for the best. I’ve taken 2 pills of Arimidex since Thursday and feel a BIT better but still feel down from time to time. It’s annoying.
You’ve taken 2 mg’s of adex in 3.5 days? Be careful with that high of a dose. You’re probably ok with front loading like that since your e2 was so high to begin with and I know you want immediate relief but this is going to be a process of slow relief. Low e2 can have you feeling just as lousy as high e2.
e2 blood serum levels are a result of aromatization of T - E (reduced via an AI) and also our livers clearing e2 from our blood (takes time for this to happen) so while reduction can happen quickly because of an AI, stabilization can take a couple of weeks.
To be completely honest, I only feel a BIT better since I took my first dose of Arimidex. The doctor said I should take 2 1mg pills a week. Would this be smart…? I have also read that having too little E2 could cause the same symptoms. And so I just have to take this pills and ride it out then? How long does that usually take? I just want to be fine soon. And please forgive me if I’m starting to become annoying but I just need someone to guide me the right direction. I HATE feeling depressed, sad, and miserable. Whenever I do feel fine it’s almost always followed up with bouts of depression. It’s pissing me off. I feel fine and then just horrible out of nowhere with anxiety and stupid thoughts. I’m sick of this.
No one can tell you how long it will take for you to feel better. I wouldn’t continue taking full 1 mg pills of the adex. Even as high as your e2 is, if you continue with those doses, you’re going to crash your e2 and have another problem. This is going to be a process. Strap in and be patient.
If I were you, for the next 6 weeks, I would take Nolvadex 20 mg every day and 0.25 mg adex every other day.
After that’s complete. Give your body 2 weeks without taking anything and get your labs done again to see if your hpta axis is standing on it’s own feet.
TT,FT, E2, LH and FSH.
If those are normal and you still feel awful, you’ll have to consider looking at other causes.
I’m sure some don’t recover but not enough time has passed to determine that Dr. Hostile. I’m guessing you’re a steroid abuser or ex yourself hence your jumping out of the wood work to say my analogy, which is quite accurate, has no relevance. I’m sure this guys is desperate to stuff more crap down his throat for the instant fix but I would leave it alone for awhile after already trying a restart.
Alright, I’ll do EXACTLY as you said. Thank you for your guidance and help. I’m more then grateful for all your help. Means a lot to me. Thank you.
I’m just here in an attempt to help if possible. Why are you here if not to help?
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You are going to be a wee bit emotional for a while,so take advantage of it. Now is the time to really understand some old corny country music. Right now you will feel George Jones’s “He Got Over Her Today”
Let the tears flow. You might as well keep your sense of humor if you can. It will get you through about anything. It is just hormones, life really isn’t sad. It just feels that way. And now you can relate to woman better
I’m sorry Verne but I couldn’t even get through half of the song. I couldn’t. As embarrassing as it is, I teared up within the first 10 seconds. God, WHY ME!? Haha I laughed after a little at how ridiculous I’m acting. So thank you for the cry and laugh. It did make me feel a bit better so THANK YOU! I don’t know if that’s a good thing that I cried though. That means I’m not myself yet. And here I thought I was getting better.
Things’ll get better, right? I apologize if I’ve already asked but I feel so much better hearing that this is just the hormones. That it’s not really me.
I’m sorry Verne but I couldn’t even get through half of the song. I couldn’t. As embarrassing as it is, I teared up within the first 10 seconds. God, WHY ME!? Haha I laughed after a little at how ridiculous I’m acting. So thank you for the cry and laugh. It did make me feel a bit better so THANK YOU! I don’t know if that’s a good thing that I cried though. That means I’m not myself yet. And here I thought I was getting better.
Things’ll get better, right? I apologize if I’ve already asked but I feel so much better hearing that this is just the hormones. That it’s not really me