Looks like the muslims aren’t interested in elections or democracy either.
I’ve had it with you. You’re evidently very ill-informed.[/quote]
hey, you wanted examples of other muslim dictatorships that are not allies of the US, I gave them to you.
You are not very informed about the events of the cold war and exactly what was at stake, although to you if we lost, it might have been a good thing, since Israel would probably be gone by now. So I can relate to why you are so upset.
btw, did you google that book, maybe if you read it, you would become “more informed.” thanks.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
But yes: The US has it’s faults, but they come nowhere near the atrocities committed by EVERY (not “once”) other country / group that’s ever held a dominant position. Including your beloved Muslims, comrade. [/quote]
Maybe so. But in the past few decades, you sure tried to make up for the lost time.
I didn’t get it. Maybe you can explain to me how listing dictators that the US didn’t support make up for the ones it directly supported. And while you’re at it, get GKhan a short lesson on where Congo is and who inhabits it.
If you want credit for the bad things the US didn’t do, it ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah, apologies for that. Slip of the tongue, err…fingers.
[quote]BTW, I personally happen to have a GREAT interest in
elections & democracy. [/quote]
I think we all do (maybe with the exception of HH).
Lixy, I am not saying the ones the US doesn’t support makes up for the ones the US supports. . .
I’m saying there are a lot more dictatorships BESIDE the ones the US support. You seem to constantly bring up Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I never hear you condemn any other muslim dictators. Just 3 out of, let’s say, 50 muslim nations…
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Lixy, I am not saying the ones the US doesn’t support makes up for the ones the US supports. . .
I’m saying there are a lot more dictatorships BESIDE the ones the US support. You seem to constantly bring up Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I never hear you condemn any other muslim dictators. Just 3 out of, let’s say, 50 muslim nations…[/quote]
Are you trying to make the point that the US is not responsible for ALL the evil dictatorships in the world? That would be beating up a strawman. I condemned the Syrian regime every chance I got. So ask before assuming my position with be pro-dictators solely because they are not supported by your country.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
BTW, Bush may be a disaster, but what’s your problem with Clinton? [/quote]
The dude or the chick? Either way, they’re as bad as Bush but do so in a more tactful manner.
Start a thread on Tibet and see how I rant about the Chinese.
I’m guessing the lack of Chinese, Syrian or Russian people around here make it pretty useless. Plus, it’s not like “the people” have a strong voice in those countries anyway.
Again, start a thread on any of those and I’ll post in it.
Good question. I don’t really care about how people perceive me. I’m just interested in fueling the debate constructively. Matter of fact, as far as I can remember, I’ve been called a cyber-Jihadist, anti-Semite, terrorist-sympathizer, anti-American, and a myriad of other things, so that ship has sailed.
Am I supposed to thank you for the 2cts psychoanalysis?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
You wrote that the US (actually that I!) have been working hard to catch up with past committers of atrocities “for the past couple of decades.” Explain in relation to Clinton’s years. [/quote]
Let’s see, he started a war and deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure in a country - yet again - far far away from the US. That’s a war criminal right there.
If I don’t post on Chinese, Syrian, and Russian sites, there’s a good reason for that. Chances of any of those countries bombing an African or European country are inexistent. The US on the other hand, has a consistent record of attacking countries all over the world.
Would that be the thread where your comment was “How do you say “Syrian imperialism” in Swedish?”
That didn’t seem like an invitation to me. It’s a textbook flamebait. But if you really want my opinion, of course I condemn the Syrian motherfuckers going around killing people and meddling in the affairs of sovereign states. Personally, I think the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, so I have no problem condemning them. That said, I do think that some hard evidence (which up to now is lacking) would be welcome.
Large number? Again with logical fallacies? Try proportions next time.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m just a dumb American; details please. [/quote]
I’m talking about Kosovo. But I do agree that the Clinton legacy is much less controversial than, say a Bush or a Reagan.
Bombs kill indiscriminately. It dehumanizes wars. In short, it’s an abomination.
Sure they do. I have a “free tibet” sticker on my kitchen wall. Other than that, I can’t see what more I can do.
???
I did condemn that, didn’t I?
What about them? Did you ever see me condone any of that shit?
In the Strong Words of last week, there was the following:
“The truth is that there is nothing noble in being superior to somebody else. The only real nobility is in being superior to your former self.” �?? Whitney Young
It sums up my position pretty nicely.
Here are a few good things about the US (in no particular order):
The thing I consider to be best about the US is its ability to correct itself over time. Recently, I’ve seen progressive folks being harassed, jailed, and dismissed as anti-American.
What you don’t seem to understand is that Syria isn’t bombing and invading countries on the other side of the globe. They’re bad. REAL BAD. But I don’t see them as a threat to any country that isn’t neighboring them. The US on the other hand…
Yeah. Let’s not bother with arguments and facts, and go straight for a popularity contest. Real mature.
Now you’re comparing the US that issues threats, assassinates, bombs and invades countries, to me giving my opinion and analysis? You’re shamelessly trying to put verbal attacks on the same level as physical attacks. That is the most appalling thing ever.
And just so we’re clear, there are plenty of Americans who oppose the Iraq war just as vehemently as myself. You rally around the flag when the sovereignty of your land is at stake, not when somebody tells to stop bombing and occupying foreign countries.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Why is any one shocked that the USA is hated? Criminals always hate the cop.[/quote]
More like nobody likes self-appointed cops. Especially not the delusional kind that think they have psychic powers, and shoot you minority-report style.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Lixy, I am not saying the ones the US doesn’t support makes up for the ones the US supports. . .
I’m saying there are a lot more dictatorships BESIDE the ones the US support. You seem to constantly bring up Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I never hear you condemn any other muslim dictators. Just 3 out of, let’s say, 50 muslim nations…
Are you trying to make the point that the US is not responsible for ALL the evil dictatorships in the world? That would be beating up a strawman. I condemned the Syrian regime every chance I got. So ask before assuming my position with be pro-dictators solely because they are not supported by your country.[/quote]
I’d have to agree with Chushin on this one: I’ve never seen you condmen Syria or any of the other anti-US dictators to the same extent as you condmen the US. It seems you are fixated on us.
I am not saying that the us is responsible for ALL the dictatorships, but why dwell on three when the majority of the muslims live under worse?
When you feel the urge to start a thread about the atrocities of the Syrian or Turkmenistan dictatorships I may believe you.
And JTF, what’s the answer to my question a page back?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Start a thread on Tibet and see how I rant about the Chinese.
I’m guessing the lack of Chinese, Syrian or Russian people around here make it pretty useless. Plus, it’s not like “the people” have a strong voice in those countries anyway.
Again, start a thread on any of those and I’ll post in it.
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[quote]lixy wrote:
I’m talking about Kosovo. But I do agree that the Clinton legacy is much less controversial than, say a Bush or a Reagan.
[/quote]
Damn that Clinton! Imagine a President actually saving the Muslim’s asses! How dare he do something like that!
Talk about ungrateful. Once again, anything the US does is wrong.
Hey, who knows, maybe in the next century, people will look back and think that Milosevich had the right idea. Nothing crazy as that could ever happen, could it?
Maybe JTF could shed some light on this one since this is his thread we’ve hijacked.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why is any one shocked that the USA is hated? Criminals always hate the cop.
More like nobody likes self-appointed cops. Especially not the delusional kind that think they have psychic powers, and shoot you minority-report style.[/quote]
The British handed us the job in 1945. Who do you think has kept the world from tearing itself apart for the last 60 years? The UN?? LOL!
Lixy, imagine that the world is like a high school classroom. If no one is in authority, it soon becomes a chaotic mess.
I’d prefer that we NOT have this job. We are trying to create a world empire based upon central banking through the Bilderburgers and their branches (CFR, British Round Table, Trilateral) but this will take a while. Soon though, most of the world will be happy and contented serfs, toiling away at some meaningless job. Freedom will be looked at as something to be avoided, like a disease of the mind. Peace will come, through technological serfdom. Everyone will talk the same, think the same, and then we’ll all be content, like ants. Hell, maybe we’ll even all kneel on prayer rugs and worship a mystical being.
You’ve got to be joking. Or in denial. Would you like me to start a “For or Against Lixy” thread? As absurd as it is to try and place a percentage on it, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that a minimum of 40% (which I consider a “large number”-- ok, say “large percentage”-- would shoot you down in a heartbeat. Do you really think you’re respected here? Seen as anything but overly-subjective? Would YOU take someone serious who only bitched about one country day and night?
Yeah. Let’s not bother with arguments and facts, and go straight for a popularity contest. Real mature.
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