[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Hezbollah has done it’s share attacking civilians of all nations, the US included:
Lebanon hostage crisis - Wikipedia [/quote]
What’s Hezbollah gotta do with that? The group declared in 1987: “We look with ridicule at the accusations of Hezbollah in connection with the abductions of foreign hostages. We consider that is a provocation and hold America responsible for the results.”
I don’t like the group any more than you, but what’s with presuming guilt?
You’re telling me that Hezbollah never captured a single hostage in Lebanon? Who did it then, Iranian agents? Come on, if it wasn’t them, then who was it?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Normandy Gravesite. Tell this stuff to his family…
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I’m not speaking about anyone in particular, nor am I including every last jew on earth in my comments. I’m speaking in very general terms here. There’s always exceptions to the rules and these exceptions in no way rule out the faults and actions of others in the majority.
The guy buried in the picture is obviously not in the Vanity Fair article and obviously not a part of any elite Jewish cabal or lobby that influences so much of our media and policy.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
You’re telling me that Hezbollah never captured a single hostage in Lebanon? Who did it then, Iranian agents? Come on, if it wasn’t them, then who was it?[/quote]
Are you playing dumb today? Here’s what I wrote “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not aware of a mainstream Lebanese[…] resistance movement who legitimizes attacks of American civilians”
Now, if you can counter that with sound arguments, be my guest. If all you have are preconceptions, please spare us.
[quote]IHateGymMorons wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Normandy Gravesite. Tell this stuff to his family…
I’m not speaking about anyone in particular, nor am I including every last jew on earth in my comments. I’m speaking in very general terms here. There’s always exceptions to the rules and these exceptions in no way rule out the faults and actions of others in the majority.
The guy buried in the picture is obviously not in the Vanity Fair article and obviously not a part of any elite Jewish cabal or lobby that influences so much of our media and policy.
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Well, which is it? In the first paragraph, the majority of Jews are worthless/evil. In the second paragraph, there’s a cabal of Jews out to take over the world. So most Jews are members of this cabal?
Okay, if we’re going to go there, I suspect that the nearest thing to a cabal is the CFR or the Trilateral Commission. These are dominated by primarily white people of British descent. The origins of these groups go back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner, hardly a couple of synagogue regulars. And I have never seen a Rockefeller at temple, no matter how often I go.
I have no doubt that wealthy Jews try to influence events, much like many other wealthy individuals/groups. The solution is to bring back minimalist government, where NO ONE can use governmental power as a club against others.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
You were the one that mentioned no one was going to shed tears for American civilians if we take efforts to prevent Iran from building nukes. I just wondered if this was why.
Nah. That comment wasn’t about the use of force to stop [insert country from the axis of evil du jour here] from getting [insert dubious WMD program here]. It was about HH’s imperialistic calls for genocide to secure oil.[/quote]
Fighting a war to secure oil is not genocide. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group for the purpose of destroying the group.
My solution actually brings peace to the Middle East. The fascistic governments are overthrown, the people get a share of the profits, and the USA is not at the mercy of thugs.
Though not in the ME, we should begin with Chavez, who is currently smashing a rebellion by university students. Maybe if we conquer Venezuela, we can let the ME maniacs just kill each other.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Fighting a war to secure oil is not genocide. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group for the purpose of destroying the group. [/quote]
You made it clear that you do not want the people who have oil under their lands to do with it what they want. Without dwelling in the plethora of different definitions of genocide, your call to exterminate the people of a nation because they tried to determine their own destiny and refused to be held in a leach is as close to genocide as it gets. How many times have you called for nuking “the cockroaches” and turning Iran into a valley where “the buffaloes roam”?
Killing somebody because you want to steal his wallet is a homicide. Killing a group of people because you want their oil is genocide.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Fighting a war to secure oil is not genocide. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group for the purpose of destroying the group.
You made it clear that you do not want the people who have oil under their lands to do with it what they want. Without dwelling in the plethora of different definitions of genocide, your call to exterminate the people of a nation because they tried to determine their own destiny and refused to be held in a leach is as close to genocide as it gets. How many times have you called for nuking “the cockroaches” and turning Iran into a valley where “the buffaloes roam”?
Killing somebody because you want to steal his wallet is a homicide. Killing a group of people because you want their oil is genocide.[/quote]
Not sure how this got all convoluted but y’all are arguing about fiction. The U.S. is in Iraq because of the hubris of a few assholes who thought that they could “change the way the middle east works” by over throwing Saddam and establishing “democracy”. We�??re not there because of oil, we already had the oil and at a much cheaper price. The war drove the price up, not down.
The U.S. military puts itself in jeopardy because we try to avoid civilian casualties to the point that our own solders end up paying the price sometimes. You can not like the war, you can not like the U.S., Jews, Christians, atheists, etc. But you cannot accuse us of genocide. Many, many more people have been killed in Iraq by so called “freedom fighters” and fellow muslim brethren. Muslim on muslim violence account for the majority of deaths in Iraq. The war opened the door for such activities, I’ll admit, but don’t you think it’s sad that when given an opportunity, mulsims will kill muslims in absolute senseless violence? Rather than cease an opportunity to do good for each other?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Fighting a war to secure oil is not genocide. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group for the purpose of destroying the group.
You made it clear that you do not want the people who have oil under their lands to do with it what they want. Without dwelling in the plethora of different definitions of genocide, your call to exterminate the people of a nation because they tried to determine their own destiny and refused to be held in a leach is as close to genocide as it gets. How many times have you called for nuking “the cockroaches” and turning Iran into a valley where “the buffaloes roam”?
Killing somebody because you want to steal his wallet is a homicide. Killing a group of people because you want their oil is genocide.[/quote]
WHO’S oil is it? The people who happen to occupy the surface? The people who thought oil was equivalent to a plague of locusts, until western men showed them its real value?
Then, having received billions for their oil, they still leave most of their subjects living in filth and squalor.
The oil fields developed by British and American oil companies is THEIR property, no matter if some thug uses governmental power to ‘nationalize’ the resource. The reason that these countries fail economically is because they don’t understand the concepts of private property or where wealth comes from. Barbarians led by thugs…
[quote]pat36 wrote:
We�??re not there because of oil, we already had the oil and at a much cheaper price. The war drove the price up, not down. [/quote]
Follow the discussion closer. I’m ranting about HH’s call to invade country in an attempt to secure oil.
Oil is definitely a factor in the war. But, if you think that government gives a rat’s ass about what you cash in the pump station, you’re deeply mistaken. Now, go figure how much Cheney and Bush’s pals in the oil and military industry made and you may start to see some of the reasons behind the quagmire.
And all it gets in return are threats, torched flags, egged embassies, and - once every decade or so - an attack on its territory. It must suck being the US.
I didn’t accuse you of genocide. I condemned anyone who supports indiscriminate bombings of civilians in the way HH did.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I didn’t accuse you of genocide. I condemned anyone who supports indiscriminate bombings of civilians in the way HH did. [/quote]
Not ‘indiscriminate’. Only those with whom we are at war.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
You’re telling me that Hezbollah never captured a single hostage in Lebanon? Who did it then, Iranian agents? Come on, if it wasn’t them, then who was it?
Are you playing dumb today? Here’s what I wrote “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not aware of a mainstream Lebanese[…] resistance movement who legitimizes attacks of American civilians”
Now, if you can counter that with sound arguments, be my guest. If all you have are preconceptions, please spare us.[/quote]
Hezbollah isn’t a mainstream Lebanese resistance movement? All this time you’re talking about it being this great grassroots movement that helps people and spontaneously sprung up to stop the Israelis (although their targets were mainly foreigners, and UN forces.) And now you deny this? What exactly IYO is Hezbollah? How come they conveniently do not count when ever you so choose?
Sounds like you’re the one playing dumb.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
The oil fields developed by British and American oil companies is THEIR property, no matter if some thug uses governmental power to ‘nationalize’ the resource. [/quote]
It would be interesting to see how these people bitched if the Americans nationalized all the foreign owned businesses on our shores.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Hezbollah isn’t a mainstream Lebanese resistance movement? All this time you’re talking about it being this great grassroots movement that helps people and spontaneously sprung up to stop the Israelis (although their targets were mainly foreigners, and UN forces.) And now you deny this? What exactly IYO is Hezbollah? How come they conveniently do not count when ever you so choose?
Sounds like you’re the one playing dumb.[/quote]
Do they legitimize attacks on Americans civilians?
Yes, if you consider kidnapping and torturing someone to be an attack against that person.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Yes, if you consider kidnapping and torturing someone to be an attack against that person.[/quote]
Can you substantiate that?
Like I said, I am not aware of any case where Hezbollah legitimized attacks on American civilians. But I’m interested in anything you may bring up to the table. On the other hand, I know for a fact that the US government has legitimized attacks on Lebanese civilians last year. Heck, the bombs that were blowing up the country were mostly either paid for by the US or made in USA. Let me also add the uncontroversial thousands of Iraqi civilians who fell under your bombs the last few years.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Yes, if you consider kidnapping and torturing someone to be an attack against that person.
Can you substantiate that?
Like I said, I am not aware of any case where Hezbollah legitimized attacks on American civilians. But I’m interested in anything you may bring up to the table. On the other hand, I know for a fact that the US government has legitimized attacks on Lebanese civilians last year. Heck, the bombs that were blowing up the country were mostly either paid for by the US or made in USA. Let me also add the uncontroversial thousands of Iraqi civilians who fell under your bombs the last few years.[/quote]
The Israeli’s were attack on their own soil by Hezbollah forces out of Lebanon, gee; I wonder why they’d go after them in Lebanon? Second, the Lebanese government, God bless their little hearts, decided to eraticate terrorist�??s elements with in their borders. Third, the majority of Iraqi civilians killed in Iraq have been killed by your muslim brethren. While the U.S. seeks to aviod civilian casualties, your muslim brethren directly targets them. They target them in the streets and they target them in the mosques. Men, women and children.
But it’s ok, keep dodging the truth. Hiding you head in the sand won’t set you free, but it sure feels good at the moment.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Ridiculous amount of power the Jews have? Some Jewish people made it big and because of that it’s ridiculous? Why does it matter if they are Jewish?[/quote]
Why would it matter if they were Scientologists? Clearly your not too bright.
Again, proving your not very bright. They don’t HAVE TO BE Jews – the majority ARE Jews.
Pointing out facts is not “irrational hatred”. As Dustin correctly noted, I didn’t write any of those articles and most of them are directly from Jewish publications. Obviously you aren’t capable of rational thought – you immediately launch into an emotional tirade at any mention of Jews outside of “poor victims”.
The bulk of my original post includes very little of my own opinion on the matter. Before, any mention of overwhelming Jewish influence was a “conspiracy theory” – when confronted with the facts, now it’s “yeah, so what”.
By questioning things like Israel’s MASSIVE spy operation uncovered in the US and their possible involvement in 9/11, this makes me a Jew hater?
As Henry Ford asked, "What rights have Americans that Jews in America do not possess? Against whom are the Jews organized and against what? What basis is there for the cry of “persecution”?
It’s the JEWS who choose to label and separate themselves by attaching Jew or Jewish to everything. So what, you say…
JINSA stands for “JEWISH Institute For National Security Affairs”
In response to the attack on September 11, 2001 JINSA calls on the United States to:
#1 - Halt all US purchases of Iraqi oil under the UN Oil for Food Program and to provide all necessary support to the Iraq National Congress, including direct American military support, to effect a regime change in Iraq.
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print.html/documentid/1262
How’d that turn out, asshole…
“The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could total $2.4 trillion through the next decade, or nearly $8,000 per man, woman and child in the country, according to a Congressional Budget Office estimate scheduled for release today.”
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20071024/1a_lede24_dom.art.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Paul Wolfowitz: The Jerusalem Post’s “MAN OF THE YEAR”
“What’s not in dispute is that Wolfowitz is the principal author of the doctrine of preemption, which framed the war in Iraq and which, when it comes to it, will underpin US action against other rogue states.”
http://info.jpost.com/C003/Supplements/MOTY/art.01.html
“Just at the present time, when the light which was shed by the fires of war has revealed so many matters formerly hidden in shadow, the awakening of world attention is called “anti-Semitism,” and the explanation is given that “after every war the Jew becomes the scapegoat” - a curious admission which would lead a less self-centered people to inquire, Why?”
–Henry Ford
WHY, indeed…
Stu Bykofsky: “To save America, we need another 9/11”
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/stu_bykofsky/20070809_Stu_Bykofsky___To_save_America__we_need_another_9_11.html
Top White House posts go to Jews
David Wurmser: US ‘must break Iran and Syria regimes’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/05/wiran105.xml
Elliott Abrams: Bush’s frightening Middle East appointment
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/12/10/abrams/index.html
Lieberman Begs Petraeus to Invade Iran
Lieberman: US will back Israeli strike on Iran
Lieberman-Kyl’s Iran amendment passes
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=024323&From=News
Joe Lieberman: Resolution Authorizing Use of Military Force Against Iraq
http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=208117
Douglas Feith: Pentagon Office Produced ‘Alternative’ Intelligence on Iraq
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0209-03.htm
Bill Kristol: Suggests People of Iran Would Embrace U.S. Attack, Triggering Regime Change
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/19/kristol-iran/
Pro-‘surge’ group is almost all Jewish
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103795.html
Michael Ledeen: The Iranian Time Bomb
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2Y5YzI1YmM4ZDhkMWQxNzg4MDVjZDdjM2VhNDhhMTA=
Joshua Muravchik: Bomb Iran
“Diplomacy is doing nothing to stop the Iranian nuclear threat; a show of force is the only answer”
Israel To U.S.: Don’t Delay Iraq Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml
Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel
Norman Podhoretz: Neocon ‘godfather’ tells Bush - bomb Iran
Norman Podhoretz: The Case for Bombing Iran
“As an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart that he [Bush] will”
Norman Podhoretz: “Well, if we were to bomb the Iranians as I hope and pray we will,” Podhoretz says, “we’ll unleash a wave of anti-Americanism all over the world that will make the anti-Americanism we’ve experienced so far look like a lovefest.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/20/podhoretz-bomb/
“Zionism is challenging the attention of the world today because it is creating a situation out of which many believe the next war will come”
–Henry Ford, 1921
There is ONE and ONLY ONE group of people lobbying politicians and manipulating public opinion for endless war – your peabrain can’t seem to handle these obvious FACTS.
David Horowitz: ‘Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week’ College Campus Tour
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/23/horowitz-islamofacism/
I usually only post on the “Beginners” boards but I couldn’t resist this thread. It is informative and entirely true… its funny how often truth is called “Antisemitism” and how freely the word “Nazi” is thrown around. If you want to know who runs your country ask this question “Who am I not allowed the question?” the answer is simple: The Jews.
The Jews are the most powerful group in America, they dictate the politics of America, Canada and many European countries. How? Widespread control of the mainstream media, thats how. The Jews back candidates that they support with their massive spending power and their media and banking enterprises. Why are they doing this? To gain power. Why? I have no idea.
I’ll tell you what I do know.
Israel is committing war crimes against Palestine. They stole the land from millions of Arabs and are responsible for the deaths of millions of Arabs in Gaza,Lebanon, Egypt and the West Bank. Ariel Sharon is quoted to have said “A million Arabs lives are not worth a single Jewish toenail.”
Josef Stalin was a Jewish Dictator in Communist Russia. He murdered 6 million German civilians after WW2 and murdered 20 million of his own people, mainly White Christians who refused to give up their religion. Every church in Russia was either burned or converted to be used for some other purpose. The Synagogues were left untouched and the Jews were not asked to give up their religion. Why? The advancement of the Jewish agenda.
The Story of the Holocaust has been proven to have holes in it the size of freight trains. Here are a few claims that have been proven wrong.
“Six Million Jews were Murdered”
The number is actually closer to 4.5 million, and murder isn’t quite the right word. All of Germany was starving towards the end of WW2 and Germany simply could not afford to feed the Jews living in work camps, as a result many starved to death.
It has been proven using countries censuses that there were not even six million Jews living in Europe during world war two.
“Six Million Jews were Gassed”
Scientific analysis of the “Gas Chambers” have shown that the chemical Zyklon B was never, at any time present in the gas chambers, concrete is porous and the vapors would have leached into the material… no Zyklon B was ever found in any concrete sample from any work camp. Ever.
“The Holocaust was the worst Genocide to ever happen”
The Russian Genocide of White Christians and the Chinese Genocide of “Anti-Communists” killed over 50 million people. Communism, a Jewish concept is responsible for over 100 million deaths.
“Hitler Targeted the Jews Unprovoked”
After the ravaging of Germany after WW1 the Jews bought up nearly ever business in Germany, forcing the German people into a kind of indentured life, Jews also took control of the German government, abusing their power to further Jewish interests. Hitler was elected democratically. Why? Because the German populace was sick of Jewish Oppression.
I could go on and on.
Next. Why is Holocaust Revisionism illegal in most of the World? Truth needs no laws to support it. If the Holocaust is true then the Jews should not fear investigation of it.
The Holocaust is being used as a political tool to bend the minds of the people of the world to following Jewish demands. America sends more money to Israel than every other country in the world combined sends to African countries. Germany gives away ships and submarines to Israel for free because of “Holocaust Guilt”
The Jews seek to destroy the culture of all “Goyims” (non-Jews) Jewish media promotes Black Gang Culture, robbing the African American Community of traditional African influences… essentially erasing the history of these people.
The Jews also seek to destroy White and Asian cultures using similar methods. Severing cultural ties to these population’s mother countries and erasing their ethnicity.
Call me a Nazi all you want… it will just make you look ridiculous.
[quote]AngryCelt wrote:
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Listen here pal, I hate Zionism as much as the next guy, but your post reeks of anger and gratuitous hatred. It’s textbook anti-Semitism.
I’ll tell you what I know: Some of the most influential lobbies in Washington are Jewish lobbies. A great deal of the Soviet “forefathers” were Jewish. Israel’s presence in the middle east brought nothing but death, pain, and misery to the region. The Holocaust has been abused for political gain and evidently isn’t given due weight. A lot of major media outlet are owned/run by Jews, giving them significant means of controlling policy and public opinion. Criminalizing research on the Holocaust is wrong. Nazism (WWII) is the most recurring argument on this forum.
That much is uncontroversial. But to lump an entire religion/race and hold them responsible for Hitler and Stalin’s actions is simply unacceptable. Some Jews do conspire to take over the world and erase cultures. So what? Christians and Muslims have been very effective at it too. I’m sure that, as we speak, there are people in a cave in Waziristan and others in some think-tank in washington doing just the same. Jews are no different than everyone else. There are bad people among them, and those should be fought. But the way you present things makes it sound as if you held people responsible for the actions of those solely because they share the same faith as Ariel Sharon. This is about as insane as saying that since Bush is evil, everyone with the same passport should be bad.
Reread your post and you might see that you stepped waaaay over the line. Your speech was nothing but an anti-Semitic rant.