Fear of Weapons is Sexual & Emotional Immaturity

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I would like a firearm, but I’m not too keen on some of the people I’ve met having access to them.

What do?[/quote]

All the more reason for you to have one.[/quote]
Interesting.

I was thinking some on what kamui said

[quote]kamui wrote:
To be fair, if fearing some inanimate objects is irrational, loving them is surely irrational too.
for the same reason.
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At first I was like ‘damn, he’s got a point’

Then I was like ‘no - actually, he’s underplaying it. Love is a way stronger word than fear… that’s borderline crazy’

How can this be, I’m on the wrong side!!

I think it is how people visualize it. Visualize someone else with a gun, especially someone you don’t trust ------> fear

Visualize yourself with a gun --------> no fear

Visualize both ---------> it almost makes sense to fall in love with an inanimate object…
that’s almost as easy as falling in love with ‘freedom’ or ‘life’ or something awesome

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I think there are a few different things here you are lumping together.

First, fear of guns for many people I’ve met is very simply exactly that. I have friends that will avert their eyes at the sight of a gun. Who won’t touch a gun even if it’s unloaded and disassembled. People who literally stress out know that there is a gun in the house. These are the same people making the rules that get kids suspended for making there hands in the shape of a gun and going “pew pew pew.” These are the same people that tried to make that def kid change his name because the it resembled making a gun shape.

On the other side there is a distinction between loving guns and loving the power they provide. That could go either way. I like guns, I got excited when my brother recently bought an AR15. BUT I felt nothing as strong as the heart pounding fear I’ve seen people show around weapons. I greatly value their power. I’m a protector. I joined the fire department. I get all the training I can (medical, rescue,est.). For me and many others, carrying is a part of that. It is the ability to protect, not just yourself, but others. Hell, the only weapon i owned was a bolt action .22 until after I got married. I simply never felt the need until there was someone else I loved and felt the need to be able to protect. Now I own several handguns, and shotgun strategically placed around the house. I also carry everywhere I’m legally allowed to.

I love being a firefighter too. EVEN though being one is a risk, not just to myself, but others. Lack of competence as a firefighter can get people killed. Same with carrying a weapon.

So, no, in my case, the love and fear of guns are not equivalent things.

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Laws only stop decent people.[/quote]

I’m going to assume that you consider a decent person to be a person who would not commit a violent crime.

With that assumption in mind, your oft-repeated “laws only stop decent people” line carries a logically necessary implication: that the sudden and utter abolition of all American law would correspond with exactly no rise in violent crime.

And every single person on this board knows that that is not true.[/quote]

A therefor B. Not A therefor not B. This is poor logic.[/quote]

Congratulations, you are exactly wrong–as in, you’ve come away with the precise opposite of the truth. My argument is a contrapositive–the only valid inference from a conditional:

[i]If A, then B.

~B

Therefore, ~A[/i]

  1. If law only deters people who do not break the law, then the breakdown of law will have no effect on the total rate or ratio of crime.

  2. The breakdown of law has a substantial effect on the rate and ratio of crime.

Therefore, ~1
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This almost made me spit coffee on my keyboard. Nice Modus Tollens. It appears that DD doesn’t have much experience with elementary logic. Of course, this doesn’t prevent him from feeling that he is sufficiently qualified to declare a compound statement as valid or invalid.