Father Shoots Grizzly

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Ragana wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Ragana wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
This happened in my neck of the woods. Do you bozos yapping about calling animal control understand that Montana, Idaho and British Columbia don’t happen to look like your pansy ass versions of American Suburbia and Urbana?[/quote]

So you’re superior because your wife beater has chew stains and your truck has a gun rack? Seriously? This whole ‘fuck the city boyzzz’ attitude is just making you look like a fool.

You see, as a member of an educated society, we like to analyze things from all angles. An ability to reason and problem solve is what makes us human… that being said, the toughest decision you had to make is whether to buy Busch or Miller at your local Walmart.

He may or may not have been in the right here… but as Tex Ag pointed out, the story doesn’t really add up. Going out, guns blazing should never be the first option… Especially when we have to kill such a magnificent creature.

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So sez the Illinoise Kid.

Who are you to determine what that man should have done in defense of his family and property?

The only thing that needs “adding up” is that three of the most notoriously unpredictable killing machines on the face of the earth were in the front yard of a residence of a man that had kids present and hogs in the pen.

BTW, my wife beater only has bear blood on it. I lay my rifles on the back seat of my pickup. My handgun rests on the hump of the floor.

The educated society that you claim to be a member of apparently contains a fair number of folks who are geographically challenged. You can do no problem solving of this sort from the comfort of Chicago apartment; in other words you need to get out more if you want to claim “educated society” status, Leonardo.

My toughest alcohol choosing challenge is between Redbreast Irish whiskey and Pendleton Canadian whiskey and Walmart sells no hard liquor in Montana either.

And believe it or not, THE “magnificent creatures” were the man’s children. Merely bringing them in the house temporarily would not protect them against return visits by the bears.

You mull this over while you ride the subway tomorrow and musing about how “educated” you are about how an Idaho man should protect his family and property, sport.[/quote]

This whole post, point by point, just reinforced exactly what I was stating.[/quote]

Sure it did, squirt. You can bet your “education” on it.[/quote]

Even though I am also an educated city boy, I have also arrived at the same conclusion as Push. Wild creatures are unpredictable. If you may hesitate to kill the bear, but the bear will not hesitate to kill you. It’s the survival of the fittest. I’d rather have my children alive than be morally/lawfully correct by some technicality. I just wonder why the kids weren’t smart enough to get into the house before the bears got that close.

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whoever the fuck is arguing in defense of the bear, is out of their rabbit-ass-mind.

as Push said, neither you nor the government has a fucking valid opinion about how a man chose to protect his family from a predator on his property. the property owner should have the lee-way to be wrong, to err on the side of caution.

I’m a city boy, and I’m shooting that motherfucker every time.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

Video somewhat related. [/quote]

If I were a little more tech savvy, the part where gizmo gets a little too close would be a great “Come At Me Bro” meme.
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Thank You RSGZ.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]etaco wrote:
I understand why push is so upset about this. The last time a grizzly wandered into his yard he had a new rug made.[/quote]

your photoshop skills are unmatched[/quote]

Thank you sir. Those skills are for hire… if you can afford them that is.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
My toughest alcohol choosing challenge is between Redbreast Irish whiskey and Pendleton Canadian whiskey and Walmart sells no hard liquor in Montana either.
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THIS is how I know you live in a barbaric state. No man should ever have to purchase hard liquor in any size less than a handle or at any price too much worse than wholesale.

Come to think of it I think this should be made a constitutional amendment.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
whoever the fuck is arguing in defense of the bear, is out of their rabbit-ass-mind.

as Push said, neither you nor the government has a fucking valid opinion about how a man chose to protect his family from a predator on his property. the property owner should have the lee-way to be wrong, to err on the side of caution.

I’m a city boy, and I’m shooting that motherfucker every time. [/quote]

I advise you not to move to Canada then. lol

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Meni69 wrote:
put up a fence if you don’t want animals in your yard[/quote]

Seems there has to be a Moron of the Day on threads like this one. Oftentimes lately it’s Rogue. Today it happens to be you.

I guess I should have Stern put you in the back seat with the cuntess in this gif.[/quote]

Awww cmon. It’s getting a litttttttle busy in the backseat there. Soon I’m going to have to start miniaturizing people and putting them on the dashboard with little bouncy heads like those Hawaiian hula-hula dolls. :stuck_out_tongue:

Dammit…everytime I finish it I have another idea. ><

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There’s a whole lot of moron in this thread. We have " educated" people from some silly ass college lecturing someone who lives in grizzly country about how to properly handle a situation like this.

Often repeated grizzly story: when people who are afraid of grizzlies show more experienced residents the new 44 magnum they bought for "bear " protection they ate normally advised to file down the front sight nice and smooth like. That’s to make if feel better when the bear shoves it up you ass.

I own guns. Only two I would consider grabbing to shoot a grizzly. My 300 weatherby magnum . This IMO is still not enough. And my bushmaster 50 caliber. This has enough left over for a t Rex or two .

My 500 s&w magnum and 460 magnum handguns are possibly enough, but I don’t shoot them well enough. Ok if nothing else us available. I’d also use my 308 rifles because I’m damn fast with them . Again, if that’s all I had. My top choice is my fifty at 300 yards,

These bears run up to 35 mph. They can cover 100 yards much quicker than Usain Bolt in his best day . Trey have three inch claws . They have a bite that will sever Donnie Thompson’s leg. They are the biggest meanest predator in the Americas and possibly the world( talking land, no crocs or sharks).

You can’t fence them out. You can’t predict their behavior . Recall that asshole that tried to live with them. They eventually are him.

So you shoot the thing . Twice. The one in the brain . From a distance.

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I have not sided with the bear in this thread, rather I asked questions about a human-bear encounter that even a local newspaper who appeared sympathetic to the man found questionable. So I asked some questions. Started doing this when I was two and will try to omit anything I might have learned in college or grad school out of this. I will talk only about things I have seen, done or witnessed. No stories from friends or friends of friends.

I asked how close the bears were to the house or kids. Answers have been “on property” or “front yard.” Neither of those are measurements. I have lived in places where the front yard was barely big enough for the parking pad that filled it. I have lived in places where lots were measured acres to tens of acres. I have visited friends who had land and deer leases measured in 10s to 100s of acres, with spreads larger than 1000 acres near by (saw them from the truck as we drove by). I visited friends in Wyoming and Montana where their property measured in miles. As in 'property runs so many miles south, so many miles north" And the part I remember distinctly was it was just short of a mile from the road to their house. So their front yard was nearly a mile deep and several miles wide. Given this experience the answers of “on property” or “front yard” are not particularly useful. I have not visited Idaho and do not know what the property or settlement patterns are there to make any assessment for myself. This is why I asked for a distance.

I have hiked and backpacked in areas where grizzly bears were. Make noise, try not to startle them, don’t come between mom and kids, bears tend to shy away from humans, etc. Most encounters are not eventful.

I asked if the guy had put up a fence that the Rangers found to be of low cost and proven effective in stopping bears. I think this is a reasonable thing to ask, especially when bears were knwon to be in the area and the Rangers were warning of bears moving closer to human habitations. I agree that the man has a right and responsibility to defend his family and kids and adding the fence would be an important part of doing so.

I asked why the kids did not come inside, which I think is a valid question and may give some understanding to the distance the bears were away and the direction they were moving. I also made note that bears are damn fast.

I have not attacked the character of the man as good or bad, and stated that the shooting might very well be justified. Only way to know is to get more information. I do not think that is at all unreasonable.

I did mention animal control which admittedly was a poor choice of words. But the fact that the guy called the Rangers means there is a known way of communicating predator sightings or kills. It is this communication I was referring to.

I also have observed that the more people use a gun the more comfortable and accurate they are with it. Most rifles can shoot a long ways. Those more knowledgeable about guns could probably figure out some sort of range.

Questions I still have is whether the kids were between the man and the bear.

And yes I have read about the guy who tried to live with bears. Remember something about how after months they killed him. You know, after months.

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Maybe the kids didn’t go inside because the bear could have chased them, thinking they were prey. Just a thought, but it would make sense as to why the guy went back in for his gun. Nobody knows the scenario except the guy involved. Everyone else just has “what if” thoughts.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
whoever the fuck is arguing in defense of the bear, is out of their rabbit-ass-mind.

as Push said, neither you nor the government has a fucking valid opinion about how a man chose to protect his family from a predator on his property. the property owner should have the lee-way to be wrong, to err on the side of caution.

I’m a city boy, and I’m shooting that motherfucker every time. [/quote]

This.

What would the headline have read if the dad DIDN’T shoot the bear? We don’t know, but it sure as shit could’ve been “3 kids mauled to death by grizzlies.”

Then there’d be a thread about how the dad was neglectful to realize the potential danger of the situation, how he’s a pussy for not grabbing his gun, etc… Not to mention the fact that he’d have to deal with the fact that his children are gone.

I was listening to this on the radio the other day and there was a good point brought up: He called the park ranger or whoever to report it RIGHT after it happened. No one doing something illegal with malicious intent tells the authorities.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I was listening to this on the radio the other day and there was a good point brought up: He called the park ranger or whoever to report it RIGHT after it happened. No one doing something illegal with malicious intent tells the authorities.

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And what did it get him? A MINIMUM of a pile of grief and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

This story will do nothing if not propagate SSS that much more which believe you me is THE method of choice in this area. This story exemplifies why that is so.
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The original article said just an investigation which makes sense, it’s a threatened species and they have to make sure. But not sure about a trial, not sure what he could be charged with.

I mean if they had local by-laws about keeping your property, livestock, and garbage safe maybe he would get a fine or something, not sure about a trial though.

Do you have any by-laws for what to do with garbage and livestock where you live Push?
Although I’m sure you take care to discourage the predators from hanging out, anyway.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I was listening to this on the radio the other day and there was a good point brought up: He called the park ranger or whoever to report it RIGHT after it happened. No one doing something illegal with malicious intent tells the authorities.

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And what did it get him? A MINIMUM of a pile of grief and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

This story will do nothing if not propagate SSS that much more which believe you me is THE method of choice in this area. This story exemplifies why that is so.
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The original article said just an investigation which makes sense, it’s a threatened species and they have to make sure. But not sure about a trial, not sure what he could be charged with.

I mean if they had local by-laws about keeping your property, livestock, and garbage safe maybe he would get a fine or something, not sure about a trial though.

Do you have any by-laws for what to do with garbage and livestock where you live Push?
Although I’m sure you take care to discourage the predators from hanging out, anyway.

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No by-laws here. I do live right smack dab in the middle of grizzly, wolf and lion habitat.

Have had wolves and lions very close. No grizzly problems yet but they have been in our community before.[/quote]

I know they are contemplating bylaws concerning garbage in Nelson BC. Not sure if they have them anywhere in use already.

I found a website that suggests possible bylaws though, not sure if any communities use them though.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

Well, an alternative would be to bring the kids in when he went to get a gun. Then maybe call animal control.[/quote]

You obviously are clueless about this part of the world.[/quote]

I’m guessing everyone has maximum security grade front doors…but then what about yo windows, dawg?

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[quote]Ragana wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
This happened in my neck of the woods. Do you bozos yapping about calling animal control understand that Montana, Idaho and British Columbia don’t happen to look like your pansy ass versions of American Suburbia and Urbana?[/quote]

So you’re superior because your wife beater has chew stains and your truck has a gun rack? Seriously? This whole ‘fuck the city boyzzz’ attitude is just making you look like a fool. [/quote]

Compared to the what? Fuck the hill billies attitude you have? Original.

Actually the ability to reason and problem solve isn’t what makes us human (though reason is part of it). Bears themselves are pretty good at solving the I’m hungry and there is shut door in my way problem.

Oh this is as Push calls it “gold,” you explain to everyone that city boys are superior because you can reason and problem solve, and that you are more human because you know that the hardest choice push has made is which sucky beer to make. Why yo so mad?

You’d be wrong though, the man likes the top shelf hard stuff.

[quote]He may or may not have been in the right here… but as Tex Ag pointed out, the story doesn’t really add up. Going out, guns blazing should never be the first option… Especially when we have to kill such a magnificent creature.
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Obviously in your city they forgot to implement a reading comprehension strategy, his first option wasn’t guns blazing. He first went out to assess what in the world was going on, then got his gun.

I’m not sure why people are so confused, the guy went out there with three bears in his yard. Why is he going to waste time trying to bring his kids when he has a gun, likely right by his door inside?

Number one consumed import in the great outdoors: City boys.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
This happened in my neck of the woods. Do you bozos yapping about calling animal control understand that Montana, Idaho and British Columbia don’t happen to look like your pansy ass versions of American Suburbia and Urbana?[/quote]

I was kinda hoping you would show up and comment. What’s the deal with these types of bears?

When I was a kid, we dealt with bears quite a bit. I remember one time, I looked out of my grandmother’s window to see a black bear eating garbage out of the can. My short, petite grandma went on the deck and started clapping her hands, stomping a foot, and screaming “go away! Go away…” at the bear. It did. I grew up thinking my grandma was a badass.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
This happened in my neck of the woods. Do you bozos yapping about calling animal control understand that Montana, Idaho and British Columbia don’t happen to look like your pansy ass versions of American Suburbia and Urbana?[/quote]

I was kinda hoping you would show up and comment. What’s the deal with these types of bears?

When I was a kid, we dealt with bears quite a bit. I remember one time, I looked out of my grandmother’s window to see a black bear eating garbage out of the can. My short, petite grandma went on the deck and started clapping her hands, stomping a foot, and screaming “go away! Go away…” at the bear. It did. I grew up thinking my grandma was a badass. [/quote]

Grizzly bears are way bigger. Although the bears in Canada are usually the biggest ones(the salmon). Black bears are afraid of grizzly bears.