Father Kills Molester

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[quote]pgtips wrote:

[quote]Cuso wrote:
One of the biggest problems in dealing with murderers or chronic pedos is that the punishment just isn’t harsh enough.

I’m not for humanitarian punishments like the lethal injection, thats just a state paid painless way to commit suicide, complete with a steak dinner thrown in on top. 20 years hard time? A sleep, wake up and walk for some.

If we had the balls to bring back burning these f*cks at the stake, in the middle of the town square on TV during prime time, you can bet that some of this shit would stop.

IMO if you want to advance the human race, you may just have to return to some forms of barbaric punishments. After all is was the threat of terrible punishment that brought us this far.

In other words we may have to get a whole lot more uncivilized to get a little bit more civilized.[/quote]

While I think that would scare alot of them away from doing stuff, formally brutalising will not bring higher civilisation.

Also… what if they get an innocent? What if, like some rape cases the stories were made up?

http://www.crimemuseum.org/library/execution/wrongfulExecution.html

Death Penalty and Innocence – Amnesty International USA [/quote]

This, as sad as it may be, some people fake rape/molestation stories and that really fucks everything up for the real victims.

Also i think everyone needs to watch SVU now that this thread has started.

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Like I said, in the Sandusky thread, there is no hell hot enough for people who hurt kids. But they do belong in jail. I mean, yeah, we can come up with all kinds of creative punishments, but they’ll get what they deserve in the pen. There is a code of honor even in prison, from what I understand. Pedo’s don’t often fare well.

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[quote]Cuso wrote:
While I think that would scare alot of them away from doing stuff…

Progress?

formally brutalising will not bring higher civilisation.

Are we now morally a higher civilisation as anno 1300? Maybe.

Also… what if they get an innocent? What if, like some rape cases the stories were made up?

Sorry mate, but you overlooked the word “chronic” in my post.

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As a civilisation, I’d say we are no higher or lower morally than in the past. Morals have changed, human perception of the world around them has changed.

I didn’t overlook the word chronic, in my book the word “chronic” applied to a pedo or murderer does not hold much validity… Do you think first or second time pedo offenders should not be killed, but repeat pedo offenders should be? How many chances should they be given?

I think a pedo should not be allowed to become a “chronic pedo”. Now, I don’t know how pedos should be handled apart from the fact they need to be kept away from society FOREVER, but killing them opens the risk for an innocent getting caught in a situation they deserve no part of.

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[quote]pgtips wrote:

[quote]Cuso wrote:
While I think that would scare alot of them away from doing stuff…

Progress?

formally brutalising will not bring higher civilisation.

Are we now morally a higher civilisation as anno 1300? Maybe.

Also… what if they get an innocent? What if, like some rape cases the stories were made up?

Sorry mate, but you overlooked the word “chronic” in my post.

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As a civilisation, I’d say we are no higher or lower morally than in the past. Morals have changed, human perception of the world around them has changed.

I didn’t overlook the word chronic, in my book the word “chronic” applied to a pedo or murderer does not hold much validity… Do you think first or second time pedo offenders should not be killed, but repeat pedo offenders should be? How many chances should they be given?

I think a pedo should not be allowed to become a “chronic pedo”. Now, I don’t know how pedos should be handled apart from the fact they need to be kept away from society FOREVER, but killing them opens the risk for an innocent getting caught in a situation they deserve no part of.
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You’re right, chronic was a bad choice of words.

If we lock away a first offender forever, are we reaching for a higher civilisation? No, we’re back in the 15th century and somebody is rotting in the dungeon. Instead we try to rehabilitate and “cure” the rotten fool, and sometimes it works. Even people guilty of a capital crime have been released after 20 years in prison, and have become useful members of society.

This is the modern world way of things, and the first prison term gives the offender and the legal system time to correct any misscarriages of justice. As Pat pointed out the life of a locked down pedo would be nasty. Good for them. But sooner or later that pedo is going to hit the streets again.

But heaven help a second offender of any crime against humanity, be it a rapist, pedo or murderer. They would be publicly burnt or fed to the lions, whichever you prefer. I myself would be making fresh popcorn for the event and would want my kids to watch.

This achieves two things, reduction of possible first offenders through shock and awe, and an added initiative to keep paroled inmates from becoming a second offender. The threat of more hard time or leathal injection just ain’t enough.

The bottom line is that the young girl in the original report was lucky (god forgive me for using the word lucky) her father was there and could help her, and the father can be consolded in the fact that he prevented anything worse (such as his daughter being killed) from happening.

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[quote]Cuso wrote:

[quote]pgtips wrote:

[quote]Cuso wrote:
While I think that would scare alot of them away from doing stuff…

Progress?

formally brutalising will not bring higher civilisation.

Are we now morally a higher civilisation as anno 1300? Maybe.

Also… what if they get an innocent? What if, like some rape cases the stories were made up?

Sorry mate, but you overlooked the word “chronic” in my post.

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As a civilisation, I’d say we are no higher or lower morally than in the past. Morals have changed, human perception of the world around them has changed.

I didn’t overlook the word chronic, in my book the word “chronic” applied to a pedo or murderer does not hold much validity… Do you think first or second time pedo offenders should not be killed, but repeat pedo offenders should be? How many chances should they be given?

I think a pedo should not be allowed to become a “chronic pedo”. Now, I don’t know how pedos should be handled apart from the fact they need to be kept away from society FOREVER, but killing them opens the risk for an innocent getting caught in a situation they deserve no part of.
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You’re right, chronic was a bad choice of words.

If we lock away a first offender forever, are we reaching for a higher civilisation? No, we’re back in the 15th century and somebody is rotting in the dungeon. Instead we try to rehabilitate and “cure” the rotten fool, and sometimes it works. Even people guilty of a capital crime have been released after 20 years in prison, and have become useful members of society.

This is the modern world way of things, and the first prison term gives the offender and the legal system time to correct any misscarriages of justice. As Pat pointed out the life of a locked down pedo would be nasty. Good for them. But sooner or later that pedo is going to hit the streets again.

But heaven help a second offender of any crime against humanity, be it a rapist, pedo or murderer. They would be publicly burnt or fed to the lions, whichever you prefer. I myself would be making fresh popcorn for the event and would want my kids to watch.

This achieves two things, reduction of possible first offenders through shock and awe, and an added initiative to keep paroled inmates from becoming a second offender. The threat of more hard time or leathal injection just ain’t enough.

The bottom line is that the young girl in the original report was lucky (god forgive me for using the word lucky) her father was there and could help her, and the father can be consolded in the fact that he prevented anything worse (such as his daughter being killed) from happening.[/quote]

you make a good point, and the idea of a first offence = jail repeated offence = death does seem reasonable and effectively stops the problem of wrongful execution. I just feel the act of burning someone alive, and turning it into a public event is quite barbaric, and surely, if for example a crazed serial killer or pedo takes pleasure in causing such suffering, turning their execution into an event of such suffering in the sight of many puts that act of justice on a similar level to the crime.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Like I said, in the Sandusky thread, there is no hell hot enough for people who hurt kids. But they do belong in jail. I mean, yeah, we can come up with all kinds of creative punishments, but they’ll get what they deserve in the pen. There is a code of honor even in prison, from what I understand. Pedo’s don’t often fare well.[/quote]

you are right there, same in the uk, afaik anyone found to be a nonce is in for some seriously hard time, esp in a female prison

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Mideviel…sometimes is what’s necessary. I don’t know exactly what I would do, but a knife a machete or S&W might come into play…I can’t believe people feel sorry for pedifiles.

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I used to live in a building and the super was an old Croatian guy. We’d talk about politics and shit like this. I once said “Fuck it, no jail, no rehab, just a bullet, it’s cheap and effective.” He said. “No, no, you’re wrong.” I said “What? Are you kidding me?” His response; “Rope. You can use it over and over again.”
You can’t rehab those types.

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[quote]pgtips wrote:

[quote]Cuso wrote:

[quote]pgtips wrote:

[quote]Cuso wrote:
While I think that would scare alot of them away from doing stuff…

Progress?

formally brutalising will not bring higher civilisation.

Are we now morally a higher civilisation as anno 1300? Maybe.

Also… what if they get an innocent? What if, like some rape cases the stories were made up?

Sorry mate, but you overlooked the word “chronic” in my post.

[/quote]

As a civilisation, I’d say we are no higher or lower morally than in the past. Morals have changed, human perception of the world around them has changed.

I didn’t overlook the word chronic, in my book the word “chronic” applied to a pedo or murderer does not hold much validity… Do you think first or second time pedo offenders should not be killed, but repeat pedo offenders should be? How many chances should they be given?

I think a pedo should not be allowed to become a “chronic pedo”. Now, I don’t know how pedos should be handled apart from the fact they need to be kept away from society FOREVER, but killing them opens the risk for an innocent getting caught in a situation they deserve no part of.
[/quote]

You’re right, chronic was a bad choice of words.

If we lock away a first offender forever, are we reaching for a higher civilisation? No, we’re back in the 15th century and somebody is rotting in the dungeon. Instead we try to rehabilitate and “cure” the rotten fool, and sometimes it works. Even people guilty of a capital crime have been released after 20 years in prison, and have become useful members of society.

This is the modern world way of things, and the first prison term gives the offender and the legal system time to correct any misscarriages of justice. As Pat pointed out the life of a locked down pedo would be nasty. Good for them. But sooner or later that pedo is going to hit the streets again.

But heaven help a second offender of any crime against humanity, be it a rapist, pedo or murderer. They would be publicly burnt or fed to the lions, whichever you prefer. I myself would be making fresh popcorn for the event and would want my kids to watch.

This achieves two things, reduction of possible first offenders through shock and awe, and an added initiative to keep paroled inmates from becoming a second offender. The threat of more hard time or leathal injection just ain’t enough.

The bottom line is that the young girl in the original report was lucky (god forgive me for using the word lucky) her father was there and could help her, and the father can be consolded in the fact that he prevented anything worse (such as his daughter being killed) from happening.[/quote]

you make a good point, and the idea of a first offence = jail repeated offence = death does seem reasonable and effectively stops the problem of wrongful execution. I just feel the act of burning someone alive, and turning it into a public event is quite barbaric, and surely, if for example a crazed serial killer or pedo takes pleasure in causing such suffering, turning their execution into an event of such suffering in the sight of many puts that act of justice on a similar level to the crime.[/quote]

the option is there to treat these subhumans as the animals they are, so simply dump them in the middle of the sahara desert or african savannah with nofood or water and leave them to fend for themselves. but install a tracking monitor inside their skull so that if they somehow make it back to civilisation they can be rounded up and shot in the face.

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shit I’d snapped dude’s neck even if I didn’t know the kid

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If I find a motherfucker raping my four years old daughter, I will split his ass open with an axe and then feed his cock and testicles to pigs. Motherfucker.

I still can’t comprehend how some men can find a 4 year- old girl sexually attractive. Fucking sickening.

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[quote]Cuso wrote:
One of the biggest problems in dealing with murderers or chronic pedos is that the punishment just isn’t harsh enough.

I’m not for humanitarian punishments like the lethal injection, thats just a state paid painless way to commit suicide, complete with a steak dinner thrown in on top. 20 years hard time? A sleep, wake up and walk for some.

If we had the balls to bring back burning these f*cks at the stake, in the middle of the town square on TV during prime time, you can bet that some of this shit would stop.

IMO if you want to advance the human race, you may just have to return to some forms of barbaric punishments. After all is was the threat of terrible punishment that brought us this far.

In other words we may have to get a whole lot more uncivilized to get a little bit more civilized.[/quote]

I don’t think burning the fucker at the stake would deter any of these animals and is a step backwards. I say do away these stupid, complicated laws where they can’t live within a school zone and all that other shit. It’s either life in prison or death (depending on the state). No parole or any of that bullshit in this type of case.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I find a motherfucker raping my four years old daughter, I will split his ass open with an axe and then feed his cock and testicles to pigs. Motherfucker.

I still can’t comprehend how some men can find a 4 year- old girl sexually attractive. Fucking sickening.[/quote]

Truth

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Surely the answer is not to kill or maim them. Even to send them to prison at the taxpayers expense would be an insult to the victims and families of the victims.

I would say, Lobotomise them and use them as cheap drone labour. Use some of the savings as compensation for the victims and the rest would go to the state.

As for the cases where people falsely cry rape. I believe that if found to be without a doubt knowingly false with Machiavellian intent then the accuser should suffer the same punishment as the supposed rape victim would have got.

Human rights go out of the window when you abuse a vulnerable child and take his/her innocence.

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[quote]Animal Within wrote:
Surely the answer is not to kill or maim them. Even to send them to prison at the taxpayers expense would be an insult to the victims and families of the victims.

I would say, Lobotomise them and use them as cheap drone labour. Use some of the savings as compensation for the victims and the rest would go to the state.

As for the cases where people falsely cry rape. I believe that if found to be without a doubt knowingly false with Machiavellian intent then the accuser should suffer the same punishment as the supposed rape victim would have got.

Human rights go out of the window when you abuse a vulnerable child and take his/her innocence.[/quote]

My punishment concept yields to a better one, obviously thought through by someone with a degree in economics. Chapeau sir!

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I feel sorry for the father. I’m glad the monster is dead. I’m praying for the little girl.

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On the subject of rape.

I can’t remember where I read this somehow disturbing comment:

“Relax lady, let’s not turn this rape into a murder.”

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
My guess is that this kind of depravity is about the feeling of omnipotence that the total control and domination over another being brings them. Not unlike how rape is often not really about sex.[/quote]

I cannot under stand this. I always see it as trying to explain rape away. If this were the case then surely the bigger and stronger the rape victim the better the feeling of ecstasy when control is achieved. This would mean a high incidence of navy seals getting raped?

I have always seen rape as an inability to control natural human urges. Every man has them. This is why we lust after women.

In the animal kingdom when a male lion takes his female its just a natural urge. The difference being that we human have evolved to be socially responsible and aware.

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[quote]Animal Within wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
My guess is that this kind of depravity is about the feeling of omnipotence that the total control and domination over another being brings them. Not unlike how rape is often not really about sex.[/quote]

I cannot under stand this. I always see it as trying to explain rape away. If this were the case then surely the bigger and stronger the rape victim the better the feeling of ecstasy when control is achieved. This would mean a high incidence of navy seals getting raped?

I have always seen rape as an inability to control natural human urges. Every man has them. This is why we lust after women.

In the animal kingdom when a male lion takes his female its just a natural urge. The difference being that we human have evolved to be socially responsible and aware. [/quote]

That is an interesting way to look at it. I’ve always been more of the belief that is isn’t about the sex (in most cases). In cases where its college kids and a girl and guy go back to a room and they are drinking and she doesnt want to have sex and he keeps going anyway, then yes in that situation it is an inability to control natural urges.

But in the situation where a stranger lures someone in and rapes them, young or old, I don’t believe that has that much to do with sex. A psychologically sound man could never get an erection during such a violent act, or be turned on during such a violent act, there has to be a sexual abnormality there. Men who commit rape have something deeply wrong with them. They associate sex and violence, and apparently it isn’t as easy thing to change considering the amount of reoffenders.