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[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
More detail and a pic of the guy here. I like the bit about his wife having to visit the place for him as he feels like an ‘outcast’.[/quote]
This is the best part. He doesn’t stop going, he just has his wife pick up his food for him.[/quote]
Yeah. Actually this is something I see often. “I don’t like that restaurant/fast food place/whatever” or “At that place they are always very rude”. Then why do you go?[/quote]
His next lawsuit: White Castle is addictive and made me fat. [/quote]
Presenting a document that says that junk food is addictive because bla bla bla.
[/quote]
Well…
It is. And THEY know it is. From the chips to the soda, they know it’s addictive.
I took a sip of my son’s mother’s soda (by accident, she said it was seltzer, it was sprite) the other day. I haven’t had soda in a year. None. Guess what? I wanted to drink the whole fucking glass. I didn’t because I pride myself on discipline, among other things. But the average person does not have discipline. Moreover, the average person doesn’t have the wherewithal or knowledge to understand how fucked up this shit is. Like economics, the average person is on a 5th grade level when it comes to nutrition. They simply do NOT know. Combine the ignorance with the insidious addictiveness of the formulas, and is it any wonder we have an obesity, heart disease, diabetic problem in this country?
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism. These obese people, and even the ones that do not appear obese, but consume this crap, are costing us all money. All of us.
We can argue ad nauseum that you should be free to consume what you desire and I’d agree…up to the point where I finance the fucking outcome of your decisions. Presently, this country finances the bad diet decisions of our peers.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
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Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[/quote]
Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?[/quote]
I actually typed something very similar then deleted it leaving just “No”.
My God, peoples heads explode now when I tell them how much eggs and red meat I eat.
Eggs + red meat = Bad. The anti-egg/red-meat crowd lobbies Congress and some idiot goes on a crusade because his uncle had a heart attack.
Next thing you know, there’s a “Cholesterol Tax” or “Red Meat Restriction” (4 oz per week) or something equally as retarded.
Hell, OTC supplements are already on the chopping block. People.better.wake.up.
i want obese tax right now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[/quote]
Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?[/quote]
Think about the economical point of view. More obese people, less quality health, which leads to less quality workers, more money spend on welfare, health stuff, etc.
It also weakens the nation overall. I’ll exaggerate, but imagine that in the future 80% of the USA citizens are obese. Now you have a very small pool to get good soldiers from. I’m just using soldiers as an example, but I hope you see where I’m going.
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
i want obese tax right now.[/quote]
So we will all get penalized because they’re just going to use BMI again to determine who is “obese” ?
Oh wait, I don’t live in the same Country as you do. Phew.
Then again, if you guys get an Obese Tax, we will likely follow suit because following others is all we ever do…
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[/quote]
Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?[/quote]
Think about the economical point of view. More obese people, less quality health, which leads to less quality workers, more money spend on welfare, health stuff, etc.
It also weakens the nation overall. I’ll exaggerate, but imagine that in the future 80% of the USA citizens are obese. Now you have a very small pool to get good soldiers from. I’m just using soldiers as an example, but I hope you see where I’m going.
[/quote]
No.
Your examples are ridiculous.
Maybe a day will come that there are enough fat people that they simply must make airplane seats bigger. Well, it’s not exactly that they’re too small…just that each seat is to close to the one next to it. (Spock Nards)
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[/quote]
Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?[/quote]
Think about the economical point of view. More obese people, less quality health, which leads to less quality workers, more money spend on welfare, health stuff, etc.
It also weakens the nation overall. I’ll exaggerate, but imagine that in the future 80% of the USA citizens are obese. Now you have a very small pool to get good soldiers from. I’m just using soldiers as an example, but I hope you see where I’m going.
[/quote]
No.
Your examples are ridiculous.[/quote]
So you disagree that having a large portion of the population obese doesn’t affect the economy of a country?
You may want to google “economy obesity” then.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
[/quote]
Well said. The last thing I need is the government telling me what to eat…because I can guarantee once we get to that stage, we will have lost any true sense of self by then.
Bodybuilders would not be seen as normal any more than some obese guy. There are guys who have made it to pro stages who eat the same crap.
Why are we trying to save everyone from themselves? That makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for smoking a joint. Why do we want to baby sit everyone else?[/quote]
Think about the economical point of view. More obese people, less quality health, which leads to less quality workers, more money spend on welfare, health stuff, etc.
It also weakens the nation overall. I’ll exaggerate, but imagine that in the future 80% of the USA citizens are obese. Now you have a very small pool to get good soldiers from. I’m just using soldiers as an example, but I hope you see where I’m going.
[/quote]
No.
Your examples are ridiculous.[/quote]
So you disagree that having a large portion of the population obese doesn’t affect the economy of a country?
You may want to google “economy obesity” then.
[/quote]
No. I said your examples are ridiculous.
The economy is much more sensitive to government intervention and a fuckton of taxes than it is to fat people. You’re trying to solve the wrong problem if you’re turning this into an economics discussion.
Careful or this thread will get thrown into PWI.
I don’t want that, I was just saying why remind people that bad nutrition habits are bad for them is a good thing. We already had a similar discussion few months ago, in a thread about obesity as well.
I was for adding a tax to junk food like alcohol or tobacco have.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I don’t want that, I was just saying why remind people that bad nutrition habits are bad for them is a good thing. We already had a similar discussion few months ago, in a thread about obesity as well.
I was for adding a tax to junk food like alcohol or tobacco have.[/quote]
Adding taxes to alcohol and tobacco have not decreased rates of smoking/drinking, tobacco/alcohol addiction, or health costs related to either across any demographic. In many places in fact all have increased.
So, what happened to all that “tobacco settlement money”?
Google “Recent History”.
Sin tax is not a solution to obesity. In fact, by virtue of the types of people that are likely to not buy top quality healthy foods, junk food tax targets poorer people. We just recently went through this in my state.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I don’t want that, I was just saying why remind people that bad nutrition habits are bad for them is a good thing. We already had a similar discussion few months ago, in a thread about obesity as well.
I was for adding a tax to junk food like alcohol or tobacco have.[/quote]
Adding taxes to alcohol and tobacco have not decreased rates of smoking/drinking, tobacco/alcohol addiction, or health costs related to either across any demographic. In many places in fact all have increased.
So, what happened to all that “tobacco settlement money”?
Google “Recent History”.
Sin tax is not a solution to obesity. In fact, by virtue of the types of people that are likely to not buy top quality healthy foods, junk food tax targets poorer people. We just recently went through this in my state.[/quote]
Well said, not to mention it is easy for people to site studies that could make it seem like the diet of a bodybuilder is unhealthy…seeing as many actually believe red meat is killing people just because it is “red”.
Bodybuilders are outliers…which means anyone for taxing those outside the norm is setting themselves up for control.
Why the hell are some people so ready to just give up any freedom they have left?
I’m trying to find some more information on that sin tax and its effectiveness.
A journal called “Addiction” published a study in 2009 that proved that it works…but I can’t find more information and one study doesn’t prove anything.
I know people who smoke less and less due to the price. But they keep smoking though.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’m trying to find some more information on that sin tax and its effectiveness.
A journal called “Addiction” published a study in 2009 that proved that it works…but I can’t find more information and one study doesn’t prove anything.
I know people who smoke less and less due to the price. But they keep smoking though.[/quote]
Smoking taxes seem to have the best correlation to decreasing rates. However, it’s not clear that it’s a primary reason. Better education, social pressures, greater smoke-free area laws, etc. all seem to play as much a part or more than simply raising the taxes.
In Maine, the last go around with cig taxes resulted in lost revenues for the state and no correlation to rate drops. Why? People simply drove next door to tax free New Hampshire or bought from reservation cigarette shops. Amazing.
Drunk driving or saying “N*gger” wasn’t taxed or penalized out of acceptance, it was forced out with social pressures. I’m more of a fan of education and reward than penalty and government force. Are they irradicated? Unfortunately, no. Are they considered socially responsible/acceptable in most populations? Fortunately, no.
This fat fuck just needs to be ridiculed for being a dumb fat fuck.
I don’t understand why there isn’t a nutrition subject in school. I had no idea, at all, about what proteins, carbs, fats, etc. were (just the basic stuff) until I got into bodybuilding and started to research.
So good education from youth may have good effects too.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
More detail and a pic of the guy here. I like the bit about his wife having to visit the place for him as he feels like an ‘outcast’.[/quote]
This is the best part. He doesn’t stop going, he just has his wife pick up his food for him.[/quote]
Yeah. Actually this is something I see often. “I don’t like that restaurant/fast food place/whatever” or “At that place they are always very rude”. Then why do you go?[/quote]
His next lawsuit: White Castle is addictive and made me fat. [/quote]
Presenting a document that says that junk food is addictive because bla bla bla.
[/quote]
Well…
It is. And THEY know it is. From the chips to the soda, they know it’s addictive.
I took a sip of my son’s mother’s soda (by accident, she said it was seltzer, it was sprite) the other day. I haven’t had soda in a year. None. Guess what? I wanted to drink the whole fucking glass. I didn’t because I pride myself on discipline, among other things. But the average person does not have discipline. Moreover, the average person doesn’t have the wherewithal or knowledge to understand how fucked up this shit is. Like economics, the average person is on a 5th grade level when it comes to nutrition. They simply do NOT know. Combine the ignorance with the insidious addictiveness of the formulas, and is it any wonder we have an obesity, heart disease, diabetic problem in this country?
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism. These obese people, and even the ones that do not appear obese, but consume this crap, are costing us all money. All of us.
We can argue ad nauseum that you should be free to consume what you desire and I’d agree…up to the point where I finance the fucking outcome of your decisions. Presently, this country finances the bad diet decisions of our peers. [/quote]
You mean like the good old government paternalism that brought us the lipid hypothesis, deadly cholesterol lowering drugs, transfats instead of coconut oil for popcorn and HFCS in just about anything because they subsidize the shit out of corn?
Awesome plan bro, what could possibly go wrong !?!
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m a libertarian at heart. But nutrition is definitely one area of our lives where we could use a bit of governmental paternalism.[/quote]
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
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