Failed States

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]handlebar wrote:
Jeaton’
What you described in your earlier post about deflation reminds me of Janzen’s KAPOOM theroy. I am right in saying this?[/quote]

I do not know. I have neither heard of the name or the theory before. I will google it later and see what it is about. [/quote]

The above is an interview that is apparently with the Janzen gentleman you mentioned. He is Australian, and like any good American, I am unaware of thought outside of the good 'ole USA.

Seriously, I have not come across him before. He seems to be coming at the problem from the opposite side of the same coin. I will have to think on it a little deeper, but I would say that our thought is very similar. What I think he is saying is that, because of fractional lending, easy money/low rates, and the reliance on monetary velocity, that the level of debt has been rising approx 4.5% faster than GDP every year since the mid sixties. Instead of address it, monetary policy has been trying to outrun it for almost fifty years. This has caused credit bubbles at an increasing frequency, to the point that we are near or at a point that virtually guarantees a 1930’s like depression. This runaway asset and debt inflation will eventually if not immediately have to undergo a long period of deflation to correct the imbalance.

As for me, I became interested in the workings of the economy in the mid and late nineties, leading up to the creation and popping of the tech bubble. So many things just did not make sense to me about that time. The explosion of the telecommunications infrastructure to the point that some fund managers (like Cramer) were constantly checking on sand supplies to see if fiber optics companies could keep up with the demand. Equally insane, was the creation of EBITA (earnings before the deduction of interest, taxes and amortization expenses). In other words, analyst were rating companies on the idea of how much money that WOULD HAVE MADE if they had had free money, no taxes and no depreciation of assets, and then giving them enourmas multiples based on this outrageous number. I started studying the markets, and the more I learned, the less sense it all made.

A few years later I ran across a man named Robert Prechter, Jr. He is one of those guys that people either think is a genius or a complete imbecile. He is an expert on Elliot Wave Theory that is a type of charting analysis. It uses everything from fractal geometry to mass nested cycles of optimism and pessimism that eventually blow off in manias. Fascinating stuff, but not really relevant to this conversation, except that he was a student of historical manias and the subsequent crashes that ALWAYS follow them. This lead me to other authors and studies, but I always seem to go back to Prechter on a macro view.

Anywho…
My ideas have varied and many sources, but I would say that Prechter has an amazing intellect and has had a large influence on me.
He has a book out called “Conquer the Crash.” It is in its second edition, and I would recommend it to everyone. Although he might briefly mention Elliot wave theory, the book stands on its own and probably explains the mechanics of deflation better than any other source I have ever come across.

Janzen’s website is iTulip.com net?
KAPOOM theroy, and I am sure that I am mangling it talks about an intense deflationary period followed by a very intense inflation. At least that is how I understand what I have read so far.
I have read some of Prechter’s. He has been calling for deflation for quite along time now has he not.
To be honest I am very confused as to the direction that the economy will go and it does seem to be the great question… inflation or deflation.

[quote]handlebar wrote:
Janzen’s website is iTulip.com net?
KAPOOM theroy, and I am sure that I am mangling it talks about an intense deflationary period followed by a very intense inflation. At least that is how I understand what I have read so far.
I have read some of Prechter’s. He has been calling for deflation for quite along time now has he not.
To be honest I am very confused as to the direction that the economy will go and it does seem to be the great question… inflation or deflation.[/quote]

Thanks for the link. I breezed over it, but will have to wait for some time to really explore.
As for the idea of an intense deflationary period followed by an intense inflation, yes, I see this happening as well.

I have several people here say “Great” Deflation is what we need. This is silly. It all starts with inflation. Currency inflation can happen and go on for years. Credit inflation cannot. Credit inflation always gets to the point at which it finally implodes. This is when you want to be long out of commodities , stocks, real estate, bonds all of it. Banks stop lending and start collecting. Creditors stop thinking a borrowing and start paying back.
By this time the house of cards is defaulting. Debtors cant service their debt. Defaults happen, then happen more, and then defaults are happening all the time. On everything.

But at the end, when all the credit and loans that made up over 90 percent of our economy has
imploded and the dust has blown away, we will nave currency and coin. And we will need more. This is where they will bring out the printing press.

[quote]JEATON wrote:

As long as we live in a world with fiat currencies, central banks, and fractional banking, and monetary policies based on such, you are doomed to a life of “pissing into the wind.”

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An excellent point here, which is really the heart of the matter, gents. Fiat currencies MAKE PEOPLE GUESS! That’s the key. How does one plan long-term on the ‘shifting sands’ of a fiat at-whim currency?

Imagine farming on grounds that are always moving and shifting. Disaster.

Governments love that the public ASSUMES a constant value for their paper money. While that happens everything is fine. But such a system dooms itself, when the non-constant value of money becomes evident.

As money is destroyed and men can’t trade value for value, you see the rise of rule by the gun and the club. “Blood, whips, and guns…or dollars. Take your choice. There is no other. And your time is running out.” (Atlas Shrugged).

Since the dollar is being destroyed, they have made their choice…

I wrote down a quote I found one time that stated "Deflation Period = Cash is king, Infation Period =
Assets are king. I am just trying to figure when the Deflation starts, my hunch is we are beginning to see it. I have been watching silver for the past two years