[quote]pookie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Surely you’re not suggesting we bomb the living shit out of them until they get the message to leave us alone?
Wouldn’t doing that all make them martyrs for Allah and guarantee them all those 72 virgins?
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Hey, thats called a win-win
Edit: Damn you zep, you preemptively stole my joke!!
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that. [/quote]
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that.
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.[/quote]
…people just never learn, do they?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that.
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.
…people just never learn, do they?
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I mean, duh-uh…
If they just concentrated them, in some sort of camps, they could kill them at an almost industrial speed!
[quote]orion wrote:
ephrem wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that.
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.
…people just never learn, do they?
I mean, duh-uh…
If they just concentrated them, in some sort of camps, they could kill them at an almost industrial speed!
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I tried to make a joke about someone honestly advocating to kill a hundred million people… maybe I’m just not jaded enough yet.
What is it about T-Nation that brings out these absolutely insane thoughts and people?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The Muslims of Pakistan and Arabia will soon poke the kuffar enough that he will respond. Since we’re the ones with all the brainpower on our sides, perhaps places like Pakistan will go from “most populous” to “least populous” in a relatively short period of time. [/quote]
Just a few million deaths, right mate? Are you absolutely insane?
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No doubt you’ll use some nuke on Israel or India or the United States, which will cause us to respond in kind. I’ve noticed that the mujahideen are also active in western (newly ascendent) China. I’m not the brightest man, but it seems to me that it’s unwise for you all to[/quote]
“you” and “us” huh? Is lixy from Pakistan? Is he a member of the mujahideen? or do they all just sorta look the same to you?
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Perhaps, instead of constantly raging about what you perceive everyone else is doing to the poor Muslims, you Muslims could introspect and start making something of the wreck that is your civilization. Perhaps not though, right?[/quote]
“you muslims”, Huh? It’s a good things Muslims are all the same!
All the idiocy and misunderstanding of islam continuously expressed in this forum aside, Pakistan must be the main priority of the United States. We may never be able to influence the stability of Pakistan, but we must ensure the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. Pakistan is the most unstable, nuclear armed country in the world. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons threaten nearly every country in the world, because of the potential for those weapons to fall into the control of any number of extremist organizations.
This is not a problem only for the United States. As the US increases its security, we can become a much harder target for a terrorist group to attack. In that case, they will go after a softer target in Europe, Asia, or Africa.
Military intervention in Pakistan is not likely, but a raid to capture or destroy its weapons is certainly a reality.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
Pakistan’s nuclear weapons threaten nearly every country in the world, because of the potential for those weapons to fall into the control of any number of extremist organizations. [/quote]
Actually, if I was in an extremist organization, I’d have better chances of getting nukes from Russia by bribing some army official over there. The Pakistani army is harder to bribe in that regard. They got something like 0.1% nukes of what Russia has, their bombs aren’t as tight, and they have better safeguards. In case there’s a coup in Pakistan, the army takes over. If nothing else, to avoid some mad group from bombing India.
Bombing a defensless country with loads of oil is one thing. Even sending drones that violate Pakistani sovereignty is somewhat acceptable, since you save them money. You see, Islamabad ain’t all stupid. They know that by letting Americans kill the bad guys (along with the innocent casualties) in Waziristan, the locals will turn against Washington. They keep plausible deniability by raising their hands in the air and condemning the attacks.
As for capturing Pakistani nukes, and after messing up Iraq, I don’t think your establishment is insane enough to try that. They’re very much pragmatists (besides all the freedom hubba-hub they sell to the American masses) and the risks associated with such an operation are simply too high to be even considered.
Iran is another story since they don’t have nukes…
P.S: Thank you for denouncing the idiocy of many-a-poster here. These pricks give Americans a bad name and their criminal thoughts are a terrorist’s wet dream.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
All the idiocy and misunderstanding of islam continuously expressed in this forum aside, Pakistan must be the main priority of the United States. We may never be able to influence the stability of Pakistan, but we must ensure the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. Pakistan is the most unstable, nuclear armed country in the world. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons threaten nearly every country in the world, because of the potential for those weapons to fall into the control of any number of extremist organizations.
This is not a problem only for the United States. As the US increases its security, we can become a much harder target for a terrorist group to attack. In that case, they will go after a softer target in Europe, Asia, or Africa.
Military intervention in Pakistan is not likely, but a raid to capture or destroy its weapons is certainly a reality. [/quote]
Cool.
When the US has secured the American continent against a WMD attack I will start to worry.
Meaning: Never.
[quote]orion wrote:
ephrem wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that.
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.
…people just never learn, do they?
I mean, duh-uh…
If they just concentrated them, in some sort of camps, they could kill them at an almost industrial speed!
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Well, we’d certainly know which prominent Austrian of last century to emulate, wouldn’t we? j/k
On another thread, you were talking about how OBL was a hero to several hundred million people, indicating that there may not be just a “tiny minority of extremists” ™ out there, but here you’re mocking our justified alarm relating to Islam. I suppose this is why Islam will take over Europe in the next couple of decades, notwithstanding the pitiful native European birthrate. Hey, they Muslim Turks almost succeeded in 1683 in completely overrunning Austria. They were stopped at Vienna by the Poles. Do you think they’ll bail you out again this time? Do you think you’d deserve it if they did? Given Austrian affinity for Islam, I’m not optimistic about its survival:
http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2008/11/austria-muslim-group-gets-award-while.html
[quote]BH6 wrote:
All the idiocy and misunderstanding of islam continuously expressed in this forum aside, [/quote]
The only misunderstanding of Islam is done by the Tiny Minority of Violent Extremists who take Surah 9:5 literally, don’t you know?
Thoughts are a crime now, huh lixy? Would Muhammad’s statement
fall into the same category?
…advocating the slaughter of millions of people pre-emptively, and defending that idea is just another nail in the coffin we as a species are making for ourselves. If i look at what we’ve accomplished as a species, and regardless of that still are unable to cohabitate peacefully upto the point of mutual annihilation, i can’t say i’ll be too sad to see us go extinct…
…we have failed cosmically…
too bad so many millions of otherwise normal people, not following Islam to any crazy level or even competent level outside the mosque, just like Christians in the US and Europe, or not strapping dynamite to their chests and taking strolls through pizza parlors and buses, are getting caught up in all this.
extremism on both sides is pushing these people into the folds of extremism.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
orion wrote:
ephrem wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The problem that people in the West are having a hard time getting their heads around is what we are going to have to do. The level of fanaticism that we are up against is not something that is going to be solved with a good talking to. The only thing we can do with the fanatics is kill them.
There are over a billion Muslims, if only one percent of them are hardcore fanatics that is ten million that we are going to have to kill. If the number of fanatics is ten percent, then we are going to have to kill over a hundred million people.
Right now we are not killing them fast enough. We are going to have to kill on a massive scale to get this solved, but a lot of people are in denial and refuse to accept that.
I’m sure you have a solution to that last problem, too.
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Since this has become a chain letter this is a reply to all of you.
I was not proposing a solution, I was making an observation. Which I’ll restate in perhaps easier to understand language. A lot of people are seriously underestimating the scale of what we are up against. There is an attitude that what we are facing is just a tiny handful of kooks, it’s a couple of hundred people maybe a thousand at most. ie John Kerry saying that the war on terror should be down graded to a simple criminal matter. Where all we need to do is send out one or two cops with arrest warrants.
If you look at the numbers of Jihadists we are killing in Afghanistan and Iraq it is only a couple of thousand a year at most. We are not making a dent in the numbers. Yet people are whining about how the war in Afghanistan is dragging on and it may not be winnable.
This is a war of attrition where we are going to have to keep on killing Jihadists until there are non left. This is not something where we can merely hurt them enough that they agree to a cease fire, so we can go home and think it is over while they regroup.
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…people just never learn, do they?
I mean, duh-uh…
If they just concentrated them, in some sort of camps, they could kill them at an almost industrial speed!
I tried to make a joke about someone honestly advocating to kill a hundred million people… maybe I’m just not jaded enough yet. [/quote]
No you didn’t try to make a joke, you tried to paint me as some kind of a Nazi for pointing out something that doesn’t pleasantly agree with your view of reality.
The Mumbai attack shows that the Jihadists are willing to cause such a catastrophe. The Pakistani government has said that it’s military to fight the Indian military if they attack the Jihadists in their territory.
There are over 170 million people in Pakistan. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. If they go to war with India and nukes get used the death toll will be in the hundreds of millions, it could even go over a billion. Events could take over and there would be no stopping it, the whole exchange could take place less than a day.
Then there is Israel and Iran, an exchange between them could kill almost a hundred million. Israel has enough nukes to trigger a nuclear winter.
In both of those cases the fallout would be raining down over the entire planet.
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What is it about T-Nation that brings out these absolutely insane thoughts and people? [/quote]
Thanks for proving my point about how much in denial people are.
So let me guess about you. You are one of these people who think that all we need to do with the Jihadists is give them a good talking to and they will change their ways. You think that their deeply held religious convictions can easily be changed by saying the right thing to them. The reason why you believe that is because you buy the PC line that the Jihadists have somehow misinterpreted their religion. So if we can simply give them the politically correct interpretation they will see things our way.
There are over a billion muslims. Just one tenth of one percent is over one million. Just recently in Britain The Centre for Social Cohesion did a survey of Muslim college students it found that “Nearly one third of Muslim students believe it can be acceptable to kill in the name of religion”.
If we use their statistic of over 30 percent, then the number of people who need killing is well over 300 million. So Based upon actual surveys that have been conducted I was seriously understating the number of people who will need killing.
Last but not least I would say if anyone is insane it is people from Pakistan going over to India and committing acts that could start a war between two nuclear powers. I would say it is even more insane for the President of Pakistan to announce that the Pakistani military was ready to fight the Indian military if they chase the Jihadists into Pakistan.
And you most certainly are insane of you think the Jihad is going to end without massive bloodshed.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The Muslims of Pakistan and Arabia will soon poke the kuffar enough that he will respond. Since we’re the ones with all the brainpower on our sides, perhaps places like Pakistan will go from “most populous” to “least populous” in a relatively short period of time.
Just a few million deaths, right mate? Are you absolutely insane?
No doubt you’ll use some nuke on Israel or India or the United States, which will cause us to respond in kind. I’ve noticed that the mujahideen are also active in western (newly ascendent) China. I’m not the brightest man, but it seems to me that it’s unwise for you all to
“you” and “us” huh? Is lixy from Pakistan? Is he a member of the mujahideen? or do they all just sorta look the same to you?
Perhaps, instead of constantly raging about what you perceive everyone else is doing to the poor Muslims, you Muslims could introspect and start making something of the wreck that is your civilization. Perhaps not though, right?
“you muslims”, Huh? It’s a good things Muslims are all the same!
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According to the Grand Mufti of Stockholm all Muslims believe in the “divine legitimacy of Mohammad”. So in that sense they are all the same, because they all believe that Mohammad had “divine legitimacy”. They all believe that everything Mohammad said and did had “divine legitimacy”.
So when Mohammad attacked Jewish villages, killed all the men and boys then kidnapped all of the women and made them slaves all muslims agree that this act had “divine legitimacy”. If you read the Nuremberg Principles you will see that deportation of slave labor is a war crime while enslavement and deportation are crimes against humanity.
(b) War Crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation of slave labor or for any other purpose of the civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.
So if all Muslims agree that a man who was guilty of crimes against humanity had “divine legitimacy” to commit those crimes then they are all the same because they all think it was okay.
…comparing you to Hitler ís wrong, he wasn’t half as crazy. I don’t think you pose much danger sifu, but you know what they say: a journey of a thousand miles begins with a first step. So when will you start the killing?
You people are crazy. Stop with the nuke nonsense and just catapult the extremists into the sun.
Who knows, we might just add enough fuel to keep the sun burning that extra year.
Fucking one track minds.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…comparing you to Hitler ís wrong, he wasn’t half as crazy. I don’t think you pose much danger sifu, but you know what they say: a journey of a thousand miles begins with a first step. So when will you start the killing?[/quote]
You are trying to color what I have written as suggesting something that I am not suggesting.
If we look back at history there are a lot of examples of a people who agitated for a big final confrontation with someone who they shouldn’t have messed with and it ended really badly for them. Then after things went really bad for them they changed their ways.
The Japanese are an excellent example, they were very fanatical and fought so fiercely that eventually people said fuck it lets exterminate them. The firebombing of Tokyo killed more people than Hiroshima and Nagasaki but they didn’t give up.
Even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki there were people who wanted to continue the war. It took the Emperor’s intervention to end it. Then after the war when people had finally had time to look at the devastation and think about what had happened they finally admitted that it was madness, changed their beliefs and resolved not to go down that path again.
The Jihadists are every bit as fanatical the Japanese were and even more insane. Because they know what nuclear weapons are and what they are capable of but they are still willing to start a nuclear war.
It is most likely going to take the massive devastation of an exchange between India and Pakistan, Israel and Iran or both to finally get the muslims to come to the realization that there are some hard choices that they are going to have to make about their religion.
You are correct Ephrem in that my thinking is not a danger. The reason why I can say that is because my thinking allows for a peaceful solution where mass numbers of people do not need to die. Because in my way of thinking people should be allowed to talk things through.
The real danger that will require massive loss of life to end the Jihad is political correctness. The reason why political correctness is the real danger is because it does not allow for dialogue. Because of political correctness if anyone tries to engage in serious dialogue by pointing out inconsistencies in, or uncomfortable truths about Islam they are branded a Nazi.
The PC crowd has effectively used this branding to prevent adult discussions. We are not allowed to verbally challenge Muslims and force them to think about their religion without being ostracized by our peers.
If we were living in Europe some of us in this forum would face criminal charges and jail for our posts here. What is happening in Europe is tensions are building up among the non-Muslims while the Muslims are being told it’s okay carry on as you are.
Eventually they are going to reach a tipping point. Then there is going to be a massive backlash where people will have had enough of political correctness.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
You people are crazy. Stop with the nuke nonsense and just catapult the extremists into the sun.
Who knows, we might just add enough fuel to keep the sun burning that extra year. [/quote]
If anything, it’ll get the sun burning for a tiny bit less time (I doubt it’s measurable though).
Thermodynamics.