Man apparently lately I’m forum pariah, so I’m only going to be honest honest for now on.
I’ve done heroin like 4 times, I’ve even shot it up once.
Fact of the matter is, I’m still high gpa and still pay my bills.
Obviously losers are just losers.
If some people can do it and live and others can’t, maybe they’re just losers.
Darwinism for real.
Forget that dude, he just a dog.
Put him down like a dumb pooch.
[quote]wigsa wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
You worry to much about what other people do. Worry about yourself, you cannot control what others do and so long as they do not bother you, other than existing in your presence, it’s really none of your business. [/quote]
If nobody worried about what others did,the Nazis would still be in power,as would the Taliban,as would the Khmer Rouge,Idia Min,and countless other murdering bastards.Why should I not have compassion for my fellow man and want to help them??[/quote]
You do not want to help them, you want to control them, presumably “for their own good”.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Man apparently lately I’m forum pariah, so I’m only going to be honest honest for now on.
I’ve done heroin like 4 times, I’ve even shot it up once.
Fact of the matter is, I’m still high gpa and still pay my bills.
Obviously losers are just losers.
If some people can do it and live and others can’t, maybe they’re just losers.
Darwinism for real.
Forget that dude, he just a dog.
Put him down like a dumb pooch.[/quote]
Once we establish that principle, it is only a matter of time before they come for you.
[quote] “Briton Akmal Shaikh”
Lol. That’s all you need to read. They executed a Middle Easterner, not a Briton. [/quote]
I’m going to take you up on this. If someone has immigrated to a country and become a national of that country, then they are of that nationality. We are not all split into distinctive race groups, as exciting as that might have been for you. Anyway, what if someone is half-and-half? What then?
Back to the topic, heroin is bad stuff m’kay? And to be honest, while I despise capital punishment, the Chinese do not have favourable opinions with Brits and heroin in the same paragraph, you know, opium wars and everything. Something bad was always going to happen
[quote]wigsa wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
You worry to much about what other people do. Worry about yourself, you cannot control what others do and so long as they do not bother you, other than existing in your presence, it’s really none of your business. [/quote]
If nobody worried about what others did,the Nazis would still be in power,as would the Taliban,as would the Khmer Rouge,Idia Min,and countless other murdering bastards.Why should I not have compassion for my fellow man and want to help them??[/quote]
Somebody committing atrocities against other people is not the same as drug abuse. Coming after you with a knife is not the same as shootin’ some horse. Other than being in your way, the drug abusers are not doing anything to you. It is not incumbent upon you to like looking at them. They have as much right to occupy space as you do. If you don’t like the way they occupy their space, that’s your problem, not theirs.
If somebody mugs you, they are muggers and it doesn’t much matter why they did it. Getting rid of drugs is not equal to peace. As a matter of fact, if you look at the nations with the strongest prohibitions, they are the most violent places in the world.
Whacking drug dealers is not going to stop drug abuse, it never has and it never will. Name one person that has cleaned up because this guy is dead…
It doesn’t sound like you have compassion for your fellow man here, what are you doing, other than cheering the death of a drug dealer, to help them?
[quote]pat wrote:
Somebody committing atrocities against other people is not the same as drug abuse. Coming after you with a knife is not the same as shootin’ some horse. Other than being in your way, the drug abusers are not doing anything to you. It is not incumbent upon you to like looking at them. They have as much right to occupy space as you do. If you don’t like the way they occupy their space, that’s your problem, not theirs.
If somebody mugs you, they are muggers and it doesn’t much matter why they did it. Getting rid of drugs is not equal to peace. As a matter of fact, if you look at the nations with the strongest prohibitions, they are the most violent places in the world.
Whacking drug dealers is not going to stop drug abuse, it never has and it never will. Name one person that has cleaned up because this guy is dead…
It doesn’t sound like you have compassion for your fellow man here, what are you doing, other than cheering the death of a drug dealer, to help them?[/quote]
Actually, that’s an incorrect statement.
China takes a hard line on drug crimes by executing the person involved and having the family come and pick-up the body and then billing them for the bullet used. This obviously works, for according to the national statistics, they average 3.9 offences per 100,000 people.
In contrast, the USA takes a soft approach to drug crime. The police and DEA officers spend an obscene amount of hours in paperwork, court hearings, etc. and half the time the person involved is out on the streets 15 minutes after the initial arrest. If they do go to jail, it’s more of a people warehouse. In comparison, the USA averages 560.1 offences per 100,000 people.
The statistics paint a different picture than the liberal minds of the US that feel being harsh on drug offences doesn’t pay off. Any country that has a death penalty associated with drug trafficing offences, is a mere blip on the radar, meaning almost non-existent.
Which system is right? I’ll let you decide…
As for me, I’d have no problem at all if the US started public executions for drug offences. But instead of just shooting someone, they really need to make a spectacle out of the them. I think if they draw and quarter people for drug smuggling, then I can guarentee you would think twice before doing it. A bullet it one thing, but having your gut cut open and your intestines pulled out (while you’re alive and without any anesthetic) and then chopping you into pieces to feed zoo animals with, is another…
[quote]Smallfry69 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Somebody committing atrocities against other people is not the same as drug abuse. Coming after you with a knife is not the same as shootin’ some horse. Other than being in your way, the drug abusers are not doing anything to you. It is not incumbent upon you to like looking at them. They have as much right to occupy space as you do. If you don’t like the way they occupy their space, that’s your problem, not theirs.
If somebody mugs you, they are muggers and it doesn’t much matter why they did it. Getting rid of drugs is not equal to peace. As a matter of fact, if you look at the nations with the strongest prohibitions, they are the most violent places in the world.
Whacking drug dealers is not going to stop drug abuse, it never has and it never will. Name one person that has cleaned up because this guy is dead…
It doesn’t sound like you have compassion for your fellow man here, what are you doing, other than cheering the death of a drug dealer, to help them?[/quote]
Actually, that’s an incorrect statement.
China takes a hard line on drug crimes by executing the person involved and having the family come and pick-up the body and then billing them for the bullet used. This obviously works, for according to the national statistics, they average 3.9 offences per 100,000 people.
In contrast, the USA takes a soft approach to drug crime. The police and DEA officers spend an obscene amount of hours in paperwork, court hearings, etc. and half the time the person involved is out on the streets 15 minutes after the initial arrest. If they do go to jail, it’s more of a people warehouse. In comparison, the USA averages 560.1 offences per 100,000 people.
The statistics paint a different picture than the liberal minds of the US that feel being harsh on drug offences doesn’t pay off. Any country that has a death penalty associated with drug trafficing offences, is a mere blip on the radar, meaning almost non-existent.
Which system is right? I’ll let you decide…
As for me, I’d have no problem at all if the US started public executions for drug offences. But instead of just shooting someone, they really need to make a spectacle out of the them. I think if they draw and quarter people for drug smuggling, then I can guarentee you would think twice before doing it. A bullet it one thing, but having your gut cut open and your intestines pulled out (while you’re alive and without any anesthetic) and then chopping you into pieces to feed zoo animals with, is another…[/quote]
What I actually can garantuee you is lots of dead cops and somethjing resembling civil war if that happens.
Or maybe you prefer the Chinese model where the numbers are so low because the officials get their cut.
Interestingly enough we have much less of a drug problem in Europe than the US and we just dont give a shit.
Seems to work too, albeit much cheaper and withput a police state.
Are you suire that it is not the police state and the illusion of control that you really want?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]wigsa wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
You worry to much about what other people do. Worry about yourself, you cannot control what others do and so long as they do not bother you, other than existing in your presence, it’s really none of your business. [/quote]
If nobody worried about what others did,the Nazis would still be in power,as would the Taliban,as would the Khmer Rouge,Idia Min,and countless other murdering bastards.Why should I not have compassion for my fellow man and want to help them??[/quote]
Somebody committing atrocities against other people is not the same as drug abuse. Coming after you with a knife is not the same as shootin’ some horse. Other than being in your way, the drug abusers are not doing anything to you. It is not incumbent upon you to like looking at them. They have as much right to occupy space as you do. If you don’t like the way they occupy their space, that’s your problem, not theirs.
If somebody mugs you, they are muggers and it doesn’t much matter why they did it. Getting rid of drugs is not equal to peace. As a matter of fact, if you look at the nations with the strongest prohibitions, they are the most violent places in the world.
Whacking drug dealers is not going to stop drug abuse, it never has and it never will. Name one person that has cleaned up because this guy is dead…
It doesn’t sound like you have compassion for your fellow man here, what are you doing, other than cheering the death of a drug dealer, to help them?[/quote]
What if someone on drugs kills you by accident because of impaired judgment? Maybe a drug deal gone bad kills innocent people? Lord knows, bullets don’t have names on them. You see this all the time with drunk driving, where they didn’t mean to kill anyone, but they still did. Yet the drunk driver ends up with little to no injury, while the victim is either dead or really fucked up. Should we kill people who do this shit? Yes. Call me callous, but I don’t care. Because, you see, I cannot let you take me off the map over your dumb bullshit. When I say you, I don’t mean you personally, but someone who would act this way. I cannot let someone kill me because they act foolish and recklessly, especially when it could be prevented.
I like the Chinese model. Again, they are not saying that you can’t smuggle drugs, just that they will kill you if they catch you doing it.
Prohibition is wrong. It does not work, it never has. China’s low number of drug offenses has far more to do with a very “liberal” program they designed and implemented to help Junkies get off smack. And murder is murder, and that is wrong. Can you connect this man to any harm or death that occured as a direct result of his actions? Of course not. But, if you’re an American, you damned well better go along with what China says, cuz they damned well own “your” country now.
[quote]Smallfry69 wrote:
As for me, I’d have no problem at all if the US started public executions for drug offences. But instead of just shooting someone, they really need to make a spectacle out of the them. I think if they draw and quarter people for drug smuggling, then I can guarentee you would think twice before doing it. A bullet it one thing, but having your gut cut open and your intestines pulled out (while you’re alive and without any anesthetic) and then chopping you into pieces to feed zoo animals with, is another…[/quote]
Hopefully someone in your family will get caught and you’ll change your tune. Everybody wants to fight the drug war until someone they know gets caught. The US will legalize drugs before it even comes close to adopting China’s policies or your twisted ones.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
[quote]Smallfry69 wrote:
As for me, I’d have no problem at all if the US started public executions for drug offences. But instead of just shooting someone, they really need to make a spectacle out of the them. I think if they draw and quarter people for drug smuggling, then I can guarentee you would think twice before doing it. A bullet it one thing, but having your gut cut open and your intestines pulled out (while you’re alive and without any anesthetic) and then chopping you into pieces to feed zoo animals with, is another…[/quote]
Hopefully someone in your family will get caught and you’ll change your tune. Everybody wants to fight the drug war until someone they know gets caught. The US will legalize drugs before it even comes close to adopting China’s policies or your twisted ones.
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He’s right though, the maverick.
People distribute drugs for personal gain. Unless the consequences outweigh the incentive, crime rates will soldier on. The only flaw in this otherwise splendid vision of druggie labor camps is that the price of drugs will fluctuate in response to changes in risk, scarcity, and shipping costs. Oh lordy!
Looks like this calls for something with teeth!
[quote]Mangusrah wrote:
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He’s right though, the maverick.
People distribute drugs for personal gain. Unless the consequences outweigh the incentive, crime rates will soldier on. The only flaw in this otherwise splendid vision of druggie labor camps is that the price of drugs will fluctuate in response to changes in risk, scarcity, and shipping costs. Oh lordy!
Looks like this calls for something with teeth!
[/quote]
Even in countries like China and Saudia Arabia the drug trade carries on even with the death penalty. We can’t even keep drugs out of our maximum security prisons yet we think we can keep them out of any country.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Even in countries like China and Saudia Arabia the drug trade carries on even with the death penalty. We can’t even keep drugs out of our maximum security prisons yet we think we can keep them out of any country.
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Well drug laws are difficult to enforce, yes, but it’s important to base one’s thoughts in economics.
Even if police were suddenly confiscating seven out of ten large shipments–and they would be pleased with themselves, trumpeting the street market appraisals of all those crates–the result of their crusade would be a more lucrative drug market for the untouched. The reality is that addictive substances are perfectly inelastic, and the demand side will bid for product when it is unusually scarce until a new entrepreneur recognizes the opportunity and creates another pipeline. Drug raids are a lot like job fairs.
I’m in the same boat as most of you, I don’t think prohibition is the best way to handle the drug ‘problem’. The very existence of scum like the guy in the OP is due to the current drug laws and black market created by them.
That said, people like him are still ‘scum’. While they are not responsible for the demand for their wares, they are involved in and fuel said black markets, as well as the violence associated with them. Unlike a lot disadvantaged individuals, the dude chose this path, and will now suffer the consequences, no matter how brutal. I won’t say he deserves to die, but hey, China has its laws, and he broke them. The owner of the house may have really shitty rules, but it’s his house, and you’re a guest.
Good on China.
First of all let me say that I think drugs should be legalized in some way or form and taxed accordingly, implemented in such a way that maximizes protection for the public.
But it isn’t. And it’d take a huge international effort to make it so. Until then, drug abuse and distribution is and will continue to be associated with crime and violence. Whether it’s a gang exerting their influence over a region or a dopefiend committing crimes to get their fix. Maybe putting lead in their domes does something. Maybe it doesn’t. But it’s a real consequence. And it’s one less reoffender. And it’s one less person in the drug cycle, which from cultivation to use definitely leaves a lot of people dead (o hai thar Ciudad Juarez).
I say kill them, all of them.