[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Yeah Alfred Kinsey didn’t abuse any children.
But a bunch of the priests JPII protects certainly have.[/quote]
Going around running your fucking mouth without any proof. [/quote]
…Says the Catholic.
Proof? The countless examples of Catholic priests caught molesting boys raises questions. If the world allowed for a candid inquisition of the Catholic Church, we would find out the rabbit hole goes deeper than many thought.
EDIT: Letter Shows Future Pope Stalled Pedophile Case - ABC News
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- Pope Benedict XVI =/= John Paul II
- The Catholic Church has a LEGAL system, where people have RIGHTS. Properly you have to go through the legal system to defrock someone
- Bishops are the judge in such cases
3.1) The Cali Priest already asked to be laicized
3.2) The Cali Priest was already out of public ministry
- Joseph Ratzinger was not in a position to deal with the abuse of children
- Joseph Ratzinger worked as a Prefect in which he dealt with the abuse of Sacraments
- The letter has already been proven to be a MISTRANSLATION
- Here is a list of other things that shows the AP story is nothing more than yellow as a sunflower.
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?ID=632[/quote]
That’s just one example that I came across from a quick search.
With the countless examples of Priests caught molesting children, I honestly believe there is more going on than the Church is letting on. Unfortunately we will never know for sure.[/quote]
Well, I suppose we can always say that, but the evidence that was leaked and that was freely released to the public shows that it was the Bishops that are at fault for not being diligent and sometimes not doing anything about it at all. They are responsible for such things. And, sometimes things weren’t reported.
As well you have to realise that there are 5100 Bishops, for the Pope to even remotely listen to all of these in detail is beyond time consuming.
Now, I am not saying that those priests who molested children should go unpunished, I believe my view on those priests has been stated before. So, it goes without saying that I also have the same opinion for the Bishops that are responsible for not removing priests from public ministry. I understand that not all these priests can be charged with crimes since they happened in between the 60’s and 80’s when laws were few when it came to having sex with a minor, but they still should have been removed from public ministry at the minimum.[/quote]
None of this means anything. The bottom line is that the Catholic Church is like anything else in life. When there are things going on within a company or on a team or within a group or anything along those lines, and then things go wrong, it is the fault of the head of that entity. When things go wrong in a corporation it is almost always going to be traceable to the top. When a sports team is consistently losing, its not the player’s fault but the fault of the team owner who has hired the GM who put that product on the field to begin with. In any company in the world the CEO is ultimately held responsible when a company fucks up and poorly-performing companies usually perform this way due to mismanagement.
The Catholic Church is no different in this respect. Regardless of who is responsible for prosecuting priests who have broken the law, regardless of who is responsible for meting out this justice and regardless of which bishops did what, the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church and as such any failure of the Catholic Church in regards to molestations is the fault of the Pope. To say that it’s too time-consuming to speak with all of the bishops and all of that is immaterial. If that’s what it takes to ensure that priests who are child molesters are caught, punished and removed permanently from the priesthood, then the Pope must do so and if he doesn’t it is a failure on his part. Remember, the Catholic Church is such that it is imperative for it to root out and eliminate anyone who would use their position within it to molest children. Molestation is immoral and it is mandatory that any sort of moral authority remove such heinous, immoral elements from itself. The Catholic Church did not do this and this reflects a direct failure of the Pope.
Beyond that, the Catholic Church is a spiritual authority here on Earth. They are not a temporal authority and as such they should adhere to the temporal authority already in place. It is wrong for the Catholic Church to have their own set of laws and their own legal system since they are not a temporal authority, are not meant to be one and have nothing in their history to suggest that they deserve the power to create their own legal system by which they punish child molesters. If the Catholic Church were to follow the example that Jesus set, they would acquiesce to any existing temporal authority, in this case Italian law rather than some temporally-created state in the Vatican, with the understanding that any injustice they may suffer as a result of someone else’s earthly laws is immaterial here on Earth and that the reward for suffering through the persecution involved with a law that may be, in the eyes of the Church, a violation of God’s Law is an eternity in Heaven. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with Thomas More in this respect.
So it’s ridiculous to point to a dense, slow-moving legal system in the Vatican as a defense of John Paul II. If the Catholic Church were to adhere to the authority granted them by God and were to remain strictly a spiritual authority, there would be no separate legal system for the Vatican in the first place. In essence, John Paul II should have immediately removed any sort of temporal authority that the Church may have acquired over the years in violation of God’s wishes, including their legal system. The fact that he didn’t at least attempt to do so makes him directly responsible for any molesters that went unpunished.
