Evolution makes a nice science fiction movie.
[quote]Fitnessdiva wrote:
Ignorance does not make right. Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence to the point that it is considered fact. The problem for most people is that they don’t have the intellectual capacity, education, or time to learn enough to understand Evolutionary theory, much like relativity.[/quote]
I think your going to break your arm if you continue to pat yourself on the back like that.
Evolution as a fact of science only extends to that which can be proven - mainly within a species. That is a far cry, and a very long leap to get from there to saying we all began as a lump of carbon, oxygen and water.
That is why evolution as an explanation for the beginning of life is still just a theory. Don’t let your sense of intellectual superiority fool you.
I think it is a sign of ignorance when individuals on either side says it has to be their way or the highway.
You are wrong. It only holds up under conditions that can be tested - and that is where it ends. Everything else about evolution being the beginnings of life is a best guess.
You try and paint religious people with the same brush - bigotry anyone?
Anyone that has ever owned a cow, a horse, a goat, a pig, or a dog knows that selective breeding - or influencing the evolution of desired traits - is a fact. most of those involved in genetic selection are farmers and ranchers. Those same folks overwhelmingly make up the very class of people you are insulting.
Getting from creating a better breed to being formed from primordial ooze is a leap of faith - especially since you only have a theory to back you up.
Relativity operates within the laws of thermodynamics. Evolution operates in a vacuum free of laws.
There is room in the middle, if people were truly interested in an open mind.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Fitnessdiva wrote:
Ignorance does not make right. Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence to the point that it is considered fact. The problem for most people is that they don’t have the intellectual capacity, education, or time to learn enough to understand Evolutionary theory, much like relativity.
I think your going to break your arm if you continue to pat yourself on the back like that.
Evolution as a fact of science only extends to that which can be proven - mainly within a species. That is a far cry, and a very long leap to get from there to saying we all began as a lump of carbon, oxygen and water.
That is why evolution as an explanation for the beginning of life is still just a theory. Don’t let your sense of intellectual superiority fool you.
I think it is a sign of ignorance when individuals on either side says it has to be their way or the highway.
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Well, if you knew enough about the theory you`d know that it says nothing about the origin of life.
Which kind of proves her point.
[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Fitnessdiva wrote:
Ignorance does not make right. Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence to the point that it is considered fact. The problem for most people is that they don’t have the intellectual capacity, education, or time to learn enough to understand Evolutionary theory, much like relativity.
I think your going to break your arm if you continue to pat yourself on the back like that.
Evolution as a fact of science only extends to that which can be proven - mainly within a species. That is a far cry, and a very long leap to get from there to saying we all began as a lump of carbon, oxygen and water.
That is why evolution as an explanation for the beginning of life is still just a theory. Don’t let your sense of intellectual superiority fool you.
I think it is a sign of ignorance when individuals on either side says it has to be their way or the highway.
Well, if you knew enough about the theory you`d know that it says nothing about the origin of life.
Which kind of proves her point.[/quote]
Yet it is used as the basis to refute creationism. And it is the banner under which people are allowed to practice incessant amounts of bigoted superiority.
If evolution says nothing about the beginning of life - how does it refute creationism?
Who is the ignorant one again?
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, if you knew enough about the theory you`d know that it says nothing about the origin of life.
Which kind of proves her point.[/quote]
And if you would be kind enough to show me where I said it was, I’d appreciate it.
I said evolution was used the basis of the beginnings of life. Explain to me how you can take that and make it say that the theory states that?
Try harder.
This following video definitely belongs in the thread:
And that’s coming from a fervent believer…
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Well, if you knew enough about the theory you`d know that it says nothing about the origin of life.
Which kind of proves her point.
Yet it is used as the basis to refute creationism. And it is the banner under which people are allowed to practice incessant amounts of bigoted superiority.
If evolution says nothing about the beginning of life - how does it refute creationism?
Who is the ignorant one again?
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Well, because creationism is not happy to state that God made the first living organic replicator and SHAZAM!, gaia and kronos did the rest, no, He apparently had to make every species by hand.
A gentlemans hobby.
Unfortunately ET has a lot to say about how life proceeded when it began and there is no need for a supernatural being with a magic wand.
Not that there could not have been such a being it is just that by the very definition, we will learn nothing about the laws of nature from it by introducing it into an equasion, because of its supernaturalness.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Well, if you knew enough about the theory you`d know that it says nothing about the origin of life.
Which kind of proves her point.
And if you would be kind enough to show me where I said it was, I’d appreciate it.
I said evolution was used the basis of the beginnings of life. Explain to me how you can take that and make it say that the theory states that?
Try harder. [/quote]
This is what you wrote:
"I think your going to break your arm if you continue to pat yourself on the back like that.
Evolution as a fact of science only extends to that which can be proven - mainly within a species. That is a far cry, and a very long leap to get from there to saying we all began as a lump of carbon, oxygen and water.
That is why evolution as an explanation for the beginning of life is still just a theory. Don’t let your sense of intellectual superiority fool you.
I think it is a sign of ignorance when individuals on either side says it has to be their way or the highway."
You seem to lump it all together.
God, abiogenesis, the theory of evolution and life, universean and everything.
Try smarter.
[quote]orion wrote:
God, abiogenesis, the theory of evolution and life, universean and everything.
Try smarter.
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Here - let me type it slowly for you.
The debate is between creationism and evolution. Has been for decades. I did not create that debate. People that want to refute any existence of God, or higher power, or whatever you want to call it - cling to the evolution theory. Those that want to give God all the credit for everything pick creationism.
You bring in a lot of other isms that are off shoots of both creationism, and evolution.
Don’t hate the player - hate the game. For those of you in Austria: Don’t blame me for how the debate is set up. I didn’t see you trying to change it.
I really had a lot more respect for you than maybe you deserved. For that - I apologize.
funny how the people who don’t believe in evolution demonstrate the least understanding of it.
I also think it is funny how creationists try to prove creationism by calling it science and try to refute evolution by calling it religion. So ironic.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
God, abiogenesis, the theory of evolution and life, universean and everything.
Try smarter.
Here - let me type it slowly for you. [/quote]
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Btw, I vote evolution.
Mostly on the fact that “evolution” is in itself an evolving theory: As new holes are pointed out, the theory can change, and will change, till a feasible conclusion is reached.
The creationists will still have the same theory, with the same holes, forever.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
God, abiogenesis, the theory of evolution and life, universean and everything.
Try smarter.
Here - let me type it slowly for you.
The debate is between creationism and evolution. Has been for decades. I did not create that debate. People that want to refute any existence of God, or higher power, or whatever you want to call it - cling to the evolution theory. Those that want to give God all the credit for everything pick creationism.
You bring in a lot of other isms that are off shoots of both creationism, and evolution.
Don’t hate the player - hate the game. For those of you in Austria: Don’t blame me for how the debate is set up. I didn’t see you trying to change it.
I really had a lot more respect for you than maybe you deserved. For that - I apologize. [/quote]
So what is your actual point?
Other than you assuming alot about her just because she´s on the ET side?
[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
God, abiogenesis, the theory of evolution and life, universean and everything.
Try smarter.
Here - let me type it slowly for you.
The debate is between creationism and evolution. Has been for decades. I did not create that debate. People that want to refute any existence of God, or higher power, or whatever you want to call it - cling to the evolution theory. Those that want to give God all the credit for everything pick creationism.
You bring in a lot of other isms that are off shoots of both creationism, and evolution.
Don’t hate the player - hate the game. For those of you in Austria: Don’t blame me for how the debate is set up. I didn’t see you trying to change it.
I really had a lot more respect for you than maybe you deserved. For that - I apologize.
So what is your actual point?
Other than you assuming alot about her just because she´s on the ET side?
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My point was some fitness chick shows up and calls everyone that believes in a creator, or a higher power, or whatever a bunch of ignorant fools.
I took issue with that and attempted to show how close-minded the supposed intelligent people actually are.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
My point was some fitness chick shows up and calls everyone that believes in a creator, or a higher power, or whatever a bunch of ignorant fools.
I took issue with that and attempted to show how close-minded the supposed intelligent people actually are.
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The difference between relativity and evolution is that you have religious nut jobs who try to refute it to uphold their bogus ideologies. Also biology is a much more basic subject that will touch nearly everyone and Evolution is a cornerstone of biology, without it our most basic understanding of biology doesn’t work, which is another reason it is fact, it is the only theory that upholds under all testable conditions."
this is what she wrote.
Religious nutjobs attack the ET to uphold their bogus ideologies.
Leaves a lot of room for religious people that are not nutjobs.
Also, there is no debate over creationism and evolution. The jury has been in for a long time for everyone who has any understanding of the two. Evolution is the accepted theory.
Creationism has no scientific support to back it up at all. All geologic and biological evidence is contrary to creationism.
[quote]Fitnessdiva wrote:
Also, there is no debate over creationism and evolution. The jury has been in for a long time for everyone who has any understanding of the two. Evolution is the accepted theory. [/quote]
I guess those few billion people that worship a “god” don’t count, ya know …all on the account of those scientific “facts”.
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“Creationism has no scientific support to back it up at all. All geologic and biological evidence is contrary to creationism.” [/quote]
Well if your argument is scientific fact over personal belief …lets punch a few more holes into that block of cheese.
Scientific fact… what is it worth?
Lets take a closer look…
*1 There are 9 planets in our solar system
New Information: Change The Fact
We have at least 10 planets
Far out! Astronomers discover 10th planet
2000 EB173 orbits sun between Neptune, Pluto
*2 There are 30 orders of insects
New Information: Change The Fact
Now there are 31
“For the first time in 87 years, researchers have discovered an insect that constitutes a new order of insects. Dubbed “the gladiator” (for the recent movie), it lives in the Brandberg Mountains of Namibia, on the west coast of Southern Africa.”
*3 Ice Age clothing was made of crudely formed animal hides
New Information: Change The Fact
“the warm weather clothing of at least some of our ancestors included caps or snoods, belts, skirts, bandeaux (banding over the breasts), bracelets, and necklaces all constructed of plant fibers in a great variety of woven textiles”
*4 Humans evolved directly from tree dwelling apes
New Information: Change The Fact
- more likely from ground dwelling apes
“Our study demonstrates that our earliest ancestors did not simply come down from the trees. Rather, they evolved from an ape already adapted to life on the ground.”
*5 There are 109 Elements in the Period Table
New Information: Change The Fact
Since 1994, six new elements have been discovered
*6 The first mammals evolved about 155 million years ago.
New Information: Change The Fact
“The shrew-like animal would have run under the feet of dinosaurs at the start of the Jurassic period, nearly 195 million years ago. Hadrocodium wui pushes back by another 40 million years its first appearance in the fossil record.”
BONUS FACT - The earth is flat
New Information: Change The Fact
- Wait a minute, maybe its not flat. Nevermind, it’s ROUND now. MY BAD! The Earth is in fact round now.
Question at hand…
Evolution is a FACT.
New Information: “Change The Fact” <<<<---- is this not possible? I’ve already shown that it is.
Evolution is a Fact, evolution has different theories falling under it and researchers go where the “facts” and theories lead.
Creationists are trying to justify an end.
Who was the philosopher that tried to prove the existence of God, but started out with the premise that there was a God.
merlin
[quote]orion wrote:
Leaves a lot of room for religious people that are not nutjobs.
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according to the fitness chick - all religions should be done away with because they are extremist.
Her own words make my point for me.
[quote]Fitnessdiva wrote:
Also, there is no debate over creationism and evolution. The jury has been in for a long time for everyone who has any understanding of the two. Evolution is the accepted theory. [/quote]
Really? Who knew.
Accepted by who? Fellow elitist bigots? Your hatred is hilarious.
Are you saying that the only accepted theory for the origins of life is through evolution? I really can’t make outmuch of what you are trying to say what with it all mingled in with your “religious people are stupid sucks” vitriol.
It’s not impossible, but thus far all evidence points to:
Evolution: Fact
Further more every new bit of evidence that is found supports this. There is no question that evolution occurs, there are merely questions about how exactly it occurs, lineages, and other such things.
True science doesn’t start off with an endstate, in this case, creationism. Things are observed and facts are accumulated and hypothesis are tested and as the evidence supports it, it becomes a theory.
Just because a few billion people don’t understand Evolution, as is widely demonstrated on this thread, doesn’t make it less viable. The jury has been in on this among the educated scientific community.