Evil Racist Children and the Media

[doogie]

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Call it “European Pride” and I doubt one person on this planet would give a shit. By focusing on the color of the individual alone with disregard for how that applies to a culture that spent the last 600 years dealing with some type of effort to place “whites” over blacks with only the last near 150 recovering from it slowly, you are the one instigating a problem. [/quote]

You are completely full of shit.

Let’s be clear. You say Black people in America aren’t African, so it is morally acceptable for them to use the term “Black pride” (focusing on the color of the individual alone)rather than “African pride”. However you think it is wrong for people who also know nothing about their ancestry (other than that they probably came from Europe) to use the term “White pride” and that they should use “European pride” and not focus on the color of their skin.

[quote] Why does this need to be explained?
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I forgot to include “why does this need to be explained” among my list the fall-back statements you use when you know you are full of shit.

I’ll answer it for you this time. Because it makes no fucking sense, and is just one more example of the racist ideas you continuously support.

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Yet you have no problem ignoring the racism that stunned this country and pretending as if it has no influence on today’s culture?[/quote]

Unlike you, I don’t ignore any racism. Also, unlike you, I don’t project racism on everything I see. The only racist aspect to this discussion is that you think it is fine for one race to do something but not another. You continuously try to justify your racism with others racism. It doesn’t work that way.

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…and now you are complaining because black displaced by slavery don’t just accept the whole of Africa as an origin and just forget any type of heritage or history. [/quote]

You are a liar. You are the one who is saying white people with no idea of their heritage or history should just accept Europe as an origin. I don’t give a shit what kind of pride anyone wants to claim. As I’ve stated over and over, I think it is silly to take pride in the acts of others. What I am complaining about is your insistance on justifying race based double standards.

If it is fine for Blacks (because they can’t know their heritage or history) to claim “Black pride” it is should be equally fine for Whites who can’t know their history or heritage to claim “White pride”.

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You wrote, “What does this mean? Why aren’t Blacks in this country “African” if you think Whites in this country are Irish or German?”

this implies that you don’t want to acknowledge any difference between the blacks in this country and those in Africa. [/quote]

No, it pointed out that you implied earlier in the thread that all whites could point to a specific hertiage. See, we did the exact same thing, but you think I’m wrong to do it because I’m white.

Africans don’t even consider the blacks in this country “African”. How is it you are the one in the dark about this difference of culture? You’re a teacher, right?

Do you think white Europeans in Europe consider whites in America “European”? If not, you have no point. How are you in the dark about that?

And this truly needed to be explained to you?

Look. There it is again.

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What? You pretend slavery didn’t happen the moment you try to act as if there is no difference between Africans and blacks in this country historically. [/quote]

I never did that.

[quote]
Again, why does this need to be explained to you? [/quote]

Another admission that you are full of shit.

You are the one who asked the question. How is it you don’t understand what that question implies?

I know what it implied. It implied you act like all white people can trace their heritage and culture.

Why does the CAUSE of not knowing your ancestry give some people a moral right to take pride in a generic past but not others?

For the last time, there is NO ONE denying someone from taking pride in a generic past. It is when you ignore the stigma of racism in this country and play word games as if you just can’t comprehend the issue that a problem arises. No one, for the last time, would have an issue with “European Pride”. The problem arises when you pretend as if “White Pride” means the same thing. Wake the fuck up, please.

In summary, you think it is wrong for white people who can’t trace their ancesty or heritage to claim “white pride.” You think an acceptable alternative would be “European pride”, even though white Europeans don’t consider white Americans to be “European.”

In contrast, you think it is perfectly fine for black people who can’t trace their ancestry or heritage to claim “black pride.” Your reason for this is that that Africans don’t consider black Americans to be “African.”

That’s logical.

[Professor_X]

[quote]doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Call it “European Pride” and I doubt one person on this planet would give a shit. By focusing on the color of the individual alone with disregard for how that applies to a culture that spent the last 600 years dealing with some type of effort to place “whites” over blacks with only the last near 150 recovering from it slowly, you are the one instigating a problem.

You are completely full of shit.

Let’s be clear. You say Black people in America aren’t African, so it is morally acceptable for them to use the term “Black pride” (focusing on the color of the individual alone)rather than “African pride”. However you think it is wrong for people who also know nothing about their ancestry (other than that they probably came from Europe) to use the term “White pride” and that they should use “European pride” and not focus on the color of their skin. [/quote]

Exactly. I didn’t read the rest of what you wrote because the sheer idiocy involved in you acting as if you don’t understand the racial stigma attached to “white pride” makes this a pointless conversation.

I will end this, however, by stating that no one is against Europeans being proud of their ancestry or celebrating it openly. What causes conflict today is the meaning that “White Pride” still has today just like the meaning of the “N word” when used by someone not black. Most of this should be common sense…but then, no one ever accused you of having much sense.

[Lorisco]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
There are whites who were born and have lived in Africa for hundreds of years. Can they not take pride in being African? So calling it “black” pride as synonymous with African pride is just stupid.

Uh, didn’t I just write that Black pride is NOT the same as “African pride” and that Africans don’t even consider American Blacks “african”. How did you miss this? Oh, right, you are Lorisco.

Trying to categorize country of origin by race or the color of skin is not accurate.

Gee, genius, I just wrote that. Only in America does “black” not just relate to skin color but also a group of people enslaved in this country. Therefore, while colors may simply mean colors in all different areas, in this ONE case, they mean more seperating “Blacks” in this country from that generalization of color simply meaning color.

Hmmm, how many more ways will I have to write that before you realize you don’t even have an argument?
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Hey dick-head, I was agreeing with you. Why does everything need to be an argument!

Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention.

[Professor_X]

[quote]Lorisco wrote:

Hey dick-head, I was agreeing with you. Why does everything need to be an argument!

Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention.

[/quote]

You have one strange way of agreeing with people. Either way, this is a debate. How did you jump in and expect not to either have to throw some punches or duck a few?

[ZEB]

I forgot to include “why does this need to be explained” among my list the fall-back statements you use when you know you are full of shit.

You just noticing that?

[danmaftei]

I can’t believe Lorisco just tried to get out of admitting being an idiot by claiming his post was agreeing with Prof X.

[anon31651765]

[quote]Guttus Gumptuous wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Those kids are victims of the parents if you ask me.

Different parents and they turn out a lot differently. Hell the state may have done a better job raising them.

Now they are being exploited, like a lot of kid’s are, to spread a message.

I’ll agree with most. They are headed for trouble. I don’t think they had a choice. I think they were told they had one option…and took it. Whether they reject it when they can remains to be seen. Seems to late for them unfortunately.

I agree. Things like racism can be passed down by parents…people generally aren’t born hating others. It is sickening to see these fascist groups on TV…people defend what they say as “freedom of speech”. But I start talking and it’s "Look at the Jesus hating Commi! Let’s lynch the un-American bastard!

I’m just kidding. But this really is sickening, and I am amazed things like this still happen here.

Here we have someone with a Celtic cross and the name Fighting Irish denouncing racism.
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So I’m a racist because of this?

So that cross on my back is just the same as swasticka huh?

Keep being friends of the world until you are exposed to certain parts of it, my T-Buddies!

You are a retard.

I’ve been to all the fun places brother. I don’t need someone like you yapping about it.

So every white guy born in Paterson comes right out and lives in the suburbs later in life? And only because he’s white?

Or maybe poverty and a shit educational system have something to do with it?

You’re making a champ of yourself over here. But white obviously equals right, huh?

[anon31651765]

[quote]doogie wrote:

In summary, you think it is wrong for white people who can’t trace their ancesty or heritage to claim “white pride.” You think an acceptable alternative would be “European pride”, even though white Europeans don’t consider white Americans to be “European.”

In contrast, you think it is perfectly fine for black people who can’t trace their ancestry or heritage to claim “black pride.” Your reason for this is that that Africans don’t consider black Americans to be “African.”

That’s logical.

[/quote]

You are completely ignoring history and the semantics of the English language.

Language does this. It villifies words that are used in a certain context, and not others. Live with it.

If you can get the KKK to stop chanting “White pride and white power”, then maybe it would be acceptable. But its too late for that anyway.

Very, very few whites can’t trace their family back to Europe (if they put in the effort). There is NO way for a black man to do this. There is a big difference between coming of your own accord and being dragged here and shackles.

“White” and “Black” are terms that are now independent of nationality- they have become words that have a much larger meaning. I can’t believe you still have a problem with this.

[Wreckless]

I think I’ve got it sorted out.

Why don’t we allow black people to be proud about the fact that their ancestors overcame slavery.

And we let Doogie and his merry men be proud about the fact that their ancestors managed to enslave people.

That IS really what you’re saying isn’t it Doogie. Well, you’re not really saying it, but that’s what you mean right?

Just stick it to 'm Doogie. Their black, and the were taken on a ship and they had their wifes raped. And now they wanna be proud of their ancestry? Just stick it to 'm.

If you were teaching my kid, I’ld shoot you.

[doogie]

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

“White” and “Black” are terms that are now independent of nationality- they have become words that have a much larger meaning. I can’t believe you still have a problem with this.[/quote]

Can’t you read? I don’t have a problem with either the word “white” or “black”. Prof X. does.

[Zap_Branigan]

Wreckless aren’t you Belgian?

Your country does not have a very good history in its dealings with Africa either. Perhaps you should not be so quick to throw stones.

[doogie]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I think I’ve got it sorted out.

Why don’t we allow black people to be proud about the fact that their ancestors overcame slavery.

And we let Doogie and his merry men be proud about the fact that their ancestors managed to enslave people.

That IS really what you’re saying isn’t it Doogie. Well, you’re not really saying it, but that’s what you mean right?

Just stick it to 'm Doogie. Their black, and the were taken on a ship and they had their wifes raped. And now they wanna be proud of their ancestry? Just stick it to 'm.

If you were teaching my kid, I’ld shoot you.[/quote]

If you had a kid, he’d kill himself long before he made it to school age.

[Lorisco]

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I can’t believe Lorisco just tried to get out of admitting being an idiot by claiming his post was agreeing with Prof X.[/quote]

So you think that I’m afraid to be called an idiot by Pro X because I don’t agree with him?

Dude, where have you been. Even those that don’t like me would not say such an asinine thing as that because they know better.

Maybe you should move on to the forum for those with the double digit IQ; might be more your speed!

[Lorisco]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
And we let Doogie and his merry men be proud about the fact that their ancestors managed to enslave people.

[/quote]

You do realize that there were Blacks who owned Black slaves, right? Or are you just happy in your ignorance believing it was all Whites?

[vroom]

Saying “your race did it too” does not change the following fact.

The term “white pride” does not have the same meaning as the term “black pride”.

When the KKK and/or other white supremist groups started using it to avoid being so blatent, it was coopted to mean something other than simple pride.

To claim otherwise is ignorance, whether willful or not.

If you really want the world to eventually get over the past, don’t cast a blind eye towards such things, please.

[Guttus_Gumptuous]

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
And we let Doogie and his merry men be proud about the fact that their ancestors managed to enslave people.

You do realize that there were Blacks who owned Black slaves, right? Or are you just happy in your ignorance believing it was all Whites?[/quote]
Yes, I am one of the people on this board who knows this, although you were not speaking to me. I am just happy to see someone knows history. Whites and a few token Jews who owned the ships (Aaron Perez, Judah Benjamin come to mind) bought black slaves from blacks who had enslaved them in Africa.

For Fighting Irish. When I said I was surprised you denounce racism, I did not mean that you are a “hater” simply because you take pride in your heritage. Rather, I found it surprising that you are taking pride in being Irish and Irish people are a group within the white race. So, in essence, you are taking pride in your race to an extent. I want to ask everyone on this board, just what the hell are you speaking of when you say racist? Is a racist a hater? Is it someone who understands that races are inherently, biologically different from one another? Or is it someone who wants to remain separate from other races? Personally, I do not hate anyone. However, I do understand that the races are in fact different from one another and in some cases, VERY different!

And once again, can someone please cut the parent shit out. AGAIN, there are many people in this world who formed hateful and/or racist feelings without the aid of their parents! As stated before, I know MANY people in sanitation, law enforcement, and education who quickly changed their feelings on race once they started dealing with different races. And no, not all of these feelings are hateful. Some of them are actually loveable, benevolent feelings. And YES, some of them are downright hateful feelings of other races. As I always say, it is EASY to speak about muliticulturalism; it is another thing to DEAL with it. Personally, I do not see George Bush or Bill Clinton or Warren Beaty or Ron Kuby moving into any non white areas or sending their kids to non white schools to speed up the diversity process. And I do not want to hear “because these areas are crime infested.” Look, cut the bullshit! If you do not live in a non white area, you do not live there, regardless of the reason!

[Lorisco]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Saying “your race did it too” does not change the following fact.

The term “white pride” does not have the same meaning as the term “black pride”.

When the KKK and/or other white supremist groups started using it to avoid being so blatent, it was coopted to mean something other than simple pride.

To claim otherwise is ignorance, whether willful or not.

If you really want the world to eventually get over the past, don’t cast a blind eye towards such things, please.[/quote]

What about when the Black Panthers used the term Black Pride in the 60’s? Is that better than the KKK using White Pride?

And what if crazy ass Farrakhan starting using the word, would that then change it’s meaning?

[vroom]

[quote]What about when the Black Panthers used the term Black Pride in the 60’s? Is that better than the KKK using White Pride?

And what if crazy ass Farrakhan starting using the word, would that then change it’s meaning? [/quote]

What is your issue? Why is it so important that anything ever done by another group also be “shown” to have been done by black people?

Nobody is trying to claim that black people are saints or that they are better than anyone else. However, I do honestly suspect the use of “black pride” in the 60’s was not used to declare racial superiority as it is when used by the KKK.

If you go back to the 60’s, you are in an era when violence was used to enforce institutional racism. The black panthers were a group that felt some type of revolution would be necessary, that violence against the establishment would be needed.

The mere threat of return violence, if violence was used to end sit-ins or other protests helped to force changes during that era.

Personally, considering that the US basically practiced apartheid during that era, I don’t begrudge black groups getting somewhat militant about protesting the state of affairs.

That’s probably around the time that a certain black man had to be escorted by the national gaurd so that he could attend the University of Mississippi. Complaining because people took the steps necessary to change things is not reasonable.

If I’m not mistaken, even today, black people just want to be treated like anyone else. However, there are still racist groups out there promoting racial superiority or claiming that black people are somehow at fault for things. There are still plenty of racist people that make lives difficult (for all minories, granted).

How people can be blind to all these things really shocks me. Who is spoonfeeding you this racially motivated crap that has you believing the nonsense you believe?

Comparing eras in this way, while ignoring the context, is utter and absolute nonsense.

[ZEB]

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
vroom wrote:
Saying “your race did it too” does not change the following fact.

The term “white pride” does not have the same meaning as the term “black pride”.

When the KKK and/or other white supremist groups started using it to avoid being so blatent, it was coopted to mean something other than simple pride.

To claim otherwise is ignorance, whether willful or not.

If you really want the world to eventually get over the past, don’t cast a blind eye towards such things, please.

What about when the Black Panthers used the term Black Pride in the 60’s? Is that better than the KKK using White Pride?

And what if crazy ass Farrakhan starting using the word, would that then change it’s meaning?

[/quote]

Very well said Lorisco!

[Lorisco]

[quote]vroom wrote:
What about when the Black Panthers used the term Black Pride in the 60’s? Is that better than the KKK using White Pride?

And what if crazy ass Farrakhan starting using the word, would that then change it’s meaning?

What is your issue? Why is it so important that anything ever done by another group also be “shown” to have been done by black people?

Nobody is trying to claim that black people are saints or that they are better than anyone else. However, I do honestly suspect the use of “black pride” in the 60’s was not used to declare racial superiority as it is when used by the KKK.

If you go back to the 60’s, you are in an era when violence was used to enforce institutional racism. The black panthers were a group that felt some type of revolution would be necessary, that violence against the establishment would be needed.

The mere threat of return violence, if violence was used to end sit-ins or other protests helped to force changes during that era.

Personally, considering that the US basically practiced apartheid during that era, I don’t begrudge black groups getting somewhat militant about protesting the state of affairs.

That’s probably around the time that a certain black man had to be escorted by the national gaurd so that he could attend the University of Mississippi. Complaining because people took the steps necessary to change things is not reasonable.

If I’m not mistaken, even today, black people just want to be treated like anyone else. However, there are still racist groups out there promoting racial superiority or claiming that black people are somehow at fault for things. There are still plenty of racist people that make lives difficult (for all minories, granted).

How people can be blind to all these things really shocks me. Who is spoonfeeding you this racially motivated crap that has you believing the nonsense you believe?

Comparing eras in this way, while ignoring the context, is utter and absolute nonsense.[/quote]

Vroom,

I make these comparisons to make sure the debate is not one sided. Everything I have stated is historically true.

And I agree that everyone should be treated equally based on who they are not what they look like and where they came from.

But there is a tendency in current PC society to vilify any non-minority group for doing what minority groups have also done or are also doing. Yet little if anything is stated about that. So we have the media propping up Farrakhan as a great black leader while they tear down any white pride groups as racist.

I certainly know there is much history behind how the blacks have been treated, and other minorities for that matter. But as long as there is the appearance of acceptance of minority hate and not majority hate, the freak white haters will have fuel for their stupid rhetoric.

So when we can all sit here and say all haters, regardless of race, are unacceptable, and not make some lame ass excuse for them, then we will be on the road to improved race relations.

Understand, I blame the PC mentality of the media for this, not the blacks or any other racial group.