So many naysayers. I have more faith in Sam Raimi than most i guess.
Baretta, everytime i see your avi it makes me want to go home and beat my girlfriend.
[quote]Karado wrote:
“I love horror films”
Your ‘love’ of them questions the quality of what you generally ‘love’, I CAN love em, but HOW can someone generally love Horror films when the vast majority of them SUCK?
I too am a fan of the Evil Dead series, but most “horror films” are terrible man, the endless cheap
LOUD BOO’’ moments, the unecccessary excessive gore, at the END of almost every trailer there’s a silent moment…then a LOUD BOO moment to finish it off, the endless utterly stupid victims, etc.
But sometimes Hollywood shows some class and gets it right, ‘The Others’ with Nichole Kidman while
a different kind of film, was very good IF seen properly, Dark room/Theater setting, some of the
ORIGINAL ‘J Horror’ also bitch-slapped Hollywood and showed them HOW to get under people’s skin
with films like RINGU, (remade as THE RING, which wasn’t bad), and only a few others before they
got repetitive.
Hollywood can rarely make a film that uses the psychological effect much, they MUST be loud, they MUST
have gore, and they MUST have the cheap BOO moments.
Chill me, Thrill me…come on Hollywood, can you guys even come close to giving me the shudders
and chills like the Gypsy Woman that shows up in the credits of this ‘Coffin Joe’ classic??
Brrrrrrrr…no you can’t hollywood, you are RARELY able anymore.
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Gee, thanks for setting me straight. Turns out i actually hate horror films.
Will not be seeing this.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’ll probably just go watch Cabin in the Woods again and spare myself the almost certain disappointment. [/quote]
I said in another thread that Cabin has ruined it for every future cabin-based horror that doesn’t make a real effort to bring something new to the genre. I’ll have to watch this to find out. [/quote]
Yea, Cabin absolutely crushed it. Really tough act to follow.
Best Tarantula Scene… No CGI here, “Coffin Joe” rules.
[quote]Karado wrote:
“I love horror films”
Your ‘love’ of them questions the quality of what you generally ‘love’, I CAN love em, but HOW can someone generally love Horror films when the vast majority of them SUCK?
I too am a fan of the Evil Dead series, but most “horror films” are terrible man, the endless cheap
LOUD BOO’’ moments, the unecccessary excessive gore, at the END of almost every trailer there’s a silent moment…then a LOUD BOO moment to finish it off, the endless utterly stupid victims, etc.
But sometimes Hollywood shows some class and gets it right, ‘The Others’ with Nichole Kidman while
a different kind of film, was very good IF seen properly, Dark room/Theater setting, some of the
ORIGINAL ‘J Horror’ also bitch-slapped Hollywood and showed them HOW to get under people’s skin
with films like RINGU, (remade as THE RING, which wasn’t bad), and only a few others before they
got repetitive.
Hollywood can rarely make a film that uses the psychological effect much, they MUST be loud, they MUST
have gore, and they MUST have the cheap BOO moments.
Chill me, Thrill me…come on Hollywood, can you guys even come close to giving me the shudders
and chills like the Gypsy Woman that shows up in the credits of this ‘Coffin Joe’ classic??
Brrrrrrrr…no you can’t hollywood, you are RARELY able anymore.
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I agree with the spirit of this post but have to nitpick.
I literally wanted to ask for my money back at the end of The Others. There are two primary elements that good horror movies keep in balance, violence and suspense. Too much violence, and you might was well just spend two hours at orgrish.com. Too much suspense, and, well, you get The Others. The Others had all the potential in the world to have been as viscerally unnerving as The Blaire Witch Project was (anybody who says that was not one of the scariest movies they’ve ever seen the first time they saw it is lying through their teeth). The Others should have been excellent, but Amenabar went WAAAAAAAY to far in slathering on the suspense. 45 minutes before the movie was finished I stopped being able to feel dread and was just bored. By the end of the movie I was actually pissed that it turned out to be what it did.
Examples of excellent horror movies would be TBWP as mentioned above, both Ring movies, as you mentioned, and the Japanese horror that came out at roughly the same time, Ju-on (The Grudge) is fricking terrifying. The American remake of this one, unlike the ring, is atrocious, not even worth watching. The Ring worked as a remake because they made a practically identical movie. With Ju-on, they took everything that made it work (using the rooms of the house to elicit dread, even in broad daylight, the creepy music, the intentional LACK of music, the ghosts’ terrible frog croaking voices, their dead-yet-not-dead thousand yard stares) and put it all on steroids. Problem is, in doing this, they removed what was really creepy about the original and just made it into a standard American horror flick. They even added a romantic angle. Gag.
Other notable mentions Night of the Living Dead (original). Return of the Living Dead is one of my all time favorite movies for the same reason that Evil Dead is. It is creepy and gory as hell, but never stops having a great time being a silly, totally self-aware horror movie. Part II is also good.
The original Creepshow just scared the hell out of me as a kid. Especially that first story. “Where’s my cake!”
Heh.
I should note that my use of the word “suspense” above is not intended in so much a Hitchcockian sense of amped up nerves, but a quality of good horror films that stimulates the watcher’s sense of dread at some looming, malicious, unknown presence. When done exactly right, the movie will not even have to show the creature, act or threat, but will just let the watcher’s imagination fill in the details in a manner much fuller and more terrifying than it would ever be possible to do if you just showed the scene outright.
An example from a non-horror genre would be the ear-cutting scene from Reservoir Dogs, where QT has the camera pull away from the actual act, and only pans back to the cop after his ear has been cut off.
The Blaire Witch Project makes a whole movie out of this, never finally showing you anything substantial, which is brilliant.
Yeah Cortes, you know more or less HOW horror films should be, I DO disagree with ya on THE OTHERS,
as for me the dread was sustained through the end for me, It DID obliquely mimic ‘The Sixth Sense’ at the end, but that’s ok, the ‘reveal’ fooled me anyway, and the ‘payoff’ was worth it.
The original JU-ON was excellent as well, and agreed on the american remake, a special mention
must go to THE EYE as well, I don’t think that was a Japanese film, and of course the american remake…no comment.
As for Creepshow…well, I got a few years on ya so a generational perspective is that I was
well out of College when I saw it, the LAST story with those cockroaches was very well done and my favorite,
the rest…not so much.
Ditto how I felt with most of THE TWILIGHT ZONE MOVIE…UNTIL the intense ‘4 Star’ remake of “Nightmare
At 30,000 feet” with John Lithgow almost made up for the rest of the film.
Trivia question…what was THEE most talked about short horror story of the 70’s that was almost
too good for TV with a true, subtle shocker of an ending that was talked about for YEARS?
(I was around in the 70’s…lol, trust me it was very popular.)
Ash is one of my favorite movie characters of all time. This movie looks promising, and I generally wouldn’t bet against Sam Raimi delivering a winner, but it will be tough for me not to be disappointed without Ash.
I’m really curious why they didn’t bring in Ash, too. Maybe they figured that if Campbell isn’t doing it, it would be lame to re-do the character with another actor?
Interesting history of the series on Wiki.
Lots of tidbits about the new movie, including no CGI.
And here’s the new Evil Dead Director Fede Alvarez’ short film PANIC ATTACK…Raimi and Campbell
must have been very impressed with this.
Pretty impressive IMO as well, enjoy.
[quote]Karado wrote:
And here’s the new Evil Dead Director Fede Alvarez’ short film PANIC ATTACK…Raimi and Campbell
must have been very impressed with this.
Pretty impressive IMO as well, enjoy.
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Agreed. That was not bad at all. The music had me wondering when the zombies would start pouring fourth. (^=^)
[quote]Karado wrote:
Yeah Cortes, you know more or less HOW horror films should be, I DO disagree with ya on THE OTHERS,
as for me the dread was sustained through the end for me, It DID obliquely mimic ‘The Sixth Sense’ at the end, but that’s ok, the ‘reveal’ fooled me anyway, and the ‘payoff’ was worth it.
The original JU-ON was excellent as well, and agreed on the american remake, a special mention
must go to THE EYE as well, I don’t think that was a Japanese film, and of course the american remake…no comment.
As for Creepshow…well, I got a few years on ya so a generational perspective is that I was
well out of College when I saw it, the LAST story with those cockroaches was very well done and my favorite,
the rest…not so much.
Ditto how I felt with most of THE TWILIGHT ZONE MOVIE…UNTIL the intense ‘4 Star’ remake of “Nightmare
At 30,000 feet” with John Lithgow almost made up for the rest of the film.
Trivia question…what was THEE most talked about short horror story of the 70’s that was almost
too good for TV with a true, subtle shocker of an ending that was talked about for YEARS?
(I was around in the 70’s…lol, trust me it was very popular.) [/quote]
Lot’s of good movies I’d completely forgotten about, all which I agree with.
The gremlin John Lithgow final short of the Twilight Zone movie is just a fantastic piece of art. Especially the very last line in the ambulance:
As for the answer to your trivia question, I’d have to guess Sleepaway Camp, but that was 1983 and not short.
LOL yeah, I remember that last line from TZ, classic.
No, not ‘Sleepaway Camp’,yes that was the 80’s, this was TRILOGY OF TERROR, from
Dan Curtis, (creator of the original DARK SHADOWS series BTW.)
It was 3 suspense/horror stories made for TV, and the LAST story is widely considered
to be the best horror short for TV probably ever…man that ending
still gets me. Keep in mind there wern’t 100’s of channels back then so millions were tuned in…‘seems like
my whole school was talkin’ about this one the next day lol.
It DOES start out slow (pre-ADD era)…stick with it.
Anyway, be honest and give it the ol’ critique when you can…see if it ‘holds up’ today.
enjoy.
I think horror has to be my favorite genre because people take it more personally than any other. They should, too, because no other form of entertainment has to appeal to masses of people on a deeply personal level. Our concepts of horror, the iconography, is as much crafted by our personal experiences as it is by cultural values and symbolism. A good horror film director predicts the vector of his audiences’ imaginations and challenges their predictions simultaneously. This is why there is so much junk in the horror genre - it’s way too fucking hard!
I loved the Evil Dead series. I’m still going to watch this movie, Ash or no, because as a former Catholic possession scares the piss out of me, and I enjoy that on a visceral level.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
There’s no Ash in this. The main character is a drug addict. Her friends take her to the cabin as part of an intervention and she is the first person to notice when things kick off. They don’t believe her because they think she’s suffering from withdrawal. [/quote]
1)That doesnt sound like a bad premise.
2)Would you really want to see someone playing Ash besides Bruce Campbell?
No one, past or present, is going to be able to do Bruce Campbell justice in that role. Plus, modern Hollywood remakes have a bad habit of miscasting up-and-coming hollywood pretty boys for roles like this, and the last thing i want to see is some Jonas brother look alike playing Ash.
As long as it retains that Evil Dead feel, i dont care what they do with it. Sam Raimi has a very unique directing style and we even got to see bits of it in other movies he directed like Spider Man 2, so im thinking itll be shining through full-blast in this flick, and THATS what its all about for me. [/quote]
I like the new set-up.
No, I wouldn’t want to see Ash in this. The chainsaw/ shotgun montage has been copied too many times since. Besides, everybody knows Ash survives. If they included him in the remake, they’d have to kill him off.
LOVED the originals, particularly number 2. This new one seems to have taken plot devices from one and two, and done it a lot more serious. Interesting stuff.
The Tunnel (2011)
ANyone seen it? Its on youtube.
I slept on it an I’m getting more stoked. If Raimi and Campbell are both involved, then fuck me, its probably going to be great. They both know when to beat a dead horse as well as when not to, and I don’t see the point of a non-Bruce Campbell Ash, unless the character was female or something different enough to make it new and interesting. And Bruce is just too fat now to play Ash in a re-make: if he made an appearance he’d need to be more old-and-crotchety bubba-ho-tep like awesome and not Ash from Army of Darkness awesome.