People wanting to adopt isn’t the problem. It’s the bureaucracy and incredible costs that make it difficult to do and impossible without sufficient means.
I don’t believe for a second, that if you send all the people in fertility clinics down to the abortion clinic to receive babies, that it would have any significant reduction in abortion.
Carrying a healthy baby to term is a difficult task in itself as you well know. If you are there at the abortion clinic, chances are you cannot be bothered for the inconvenience.
I know a lady doing this exact thing. Thing is, she didn’t even give birth to this special needs child, she adopted it knowing full well what the challenges were and how difficult it would be. Mom, was a meth head and had brain cancer. Which did kill her shortly after she gave birth to this little girl.
The little girl has already had more surgeries than Michael Jackson and an NFL football team combined, just to keep her alive.
But alive she is, walking, talking, thinking, breathing, eating and misbehaving like any other child. She will never not need care, but she’s here against all odds.This is thanks to her true mother who never wavered in her commitment to the child.
If you want to see what true unselfish love looks like, that’s it, in it’s purest form.
She (the adoptive mother) is one of the most amazing people I have ever met.
What do you do with these people? You love them, the rest falls into place.
Yes, I have such an individual in my extended family.
No one is disputing the “loving” part, just dismissing incredible efforts, hardships and emotional sufferings family members caring for severely mentally challenged individuals face with a simple “love them and everything will fall into place” is condescending at best.
Like I said, after seeing it first hand for so many years, I’m glad we were able to do the prenatal tests.
Life is tough. Tougher for some than others. Difficulties spare no one. Look at Christopher Reeves. One day, he’s a 'rioded up (by his own admission) dude playing Superman, not with inflatable muscles or CGA, but big, strong and very self sufficient. The next, he falls off a horse and is paralyzed from the neck down. His family was rich and it was a tremendous struggle for everybody, but nobody considered putting him out of his or their own misery. Life is fragile and it can happen to any of us at any time in the blink of an eye. It’s not something to gloss over.
The problem is and I think you know it, is there is not a stage in human development where the thing you are killing is both living and human. And every human is dependent on other humans. Hedging your bets that healthy children will be easier than a Down’s child is just a gamble.
Seemingly perfectly healthy kids can grow up to be living hellions, way worse than a Down’s kid.
You don’t even know what that means. If you did, you wouldn’t try to use it inappropriately as you just did.
I said a fertilized egg, then known as a zygote is a seperate human being as a matter of scientific fact.
You said, ‘No it isn’t’
The I said ‘Yes it is’ Look at this scientific resource and show me where at any point of human development, which would indeed include the zygote phase, i.e. fertilized egg, that it isn’t human.
It’s not gambling if it’s an actual hedge. Statistically decreasing your chances of a “living hellion” doesn’t make it a gamble. It statistically makes it less of a gamble.
Having a kid is the gamble. Using science to lower the chance you lose that gamble isn’t a sign of INCREASED gambling, but DECREASED gambling.
Only if you believe all eugenics are bad. “Better” is objective. You’re more than welcome to share that opinion, but don’t expect everyone to agree with you.
Also “no better” implies all eugenics are the exact same. If I told you I could give your pregnant wife a pill that would guarantee your child isn’t born blind, would you say that’s the exact same thing as what Nazi Germany did?
Killing off people who have issues and repairing issues in humans are of course not the same thing.
But the latter is a thought experiment. I always hear Sam Harris postulating these to his guests. And of course if there is no downside, sure cure what ails you.
But, there is always a downside to a treatment reality.
And there is zero anybody can say about euthanizing an otherwise healthy baby because it has some traits that may make your life more difficult. That will, uncompromisingly, lead to the strongest of rebukes from me. It is morally abhorrent.
Another example of you being wrong. I notice the one thing you didn’t do, but do have a habit of doing, is post the dictionary definition of human being.
This is a sign that you have mental and emotional issues. It’s a relatively civil discussion on the internet and you are such a baby (and coward) you play the Nazi card. It’s not surprising because people like you who claim some moral superiority tend to be the first to descend into being dirt bags. It’s something religious people like you have in common with the regressive left. Right down to throwing out the Nazi comparisons.
Some advice for you pat: there are many very intelligent people who post here. Some are well educated others not, but they are still quite intelligent. You are not one of these people. So my advice is that you try and learn how to recognize these people and save yourself from embarrassment.
If you were a bright person you would have noted that I did not take a side on this issue. I am simply discussing the issue. But you are so fragile that you can’t discuss something without taking a side because you start from a position that you must be right. You can’t even discuss an issue with someone who didn’t take a side without getting your feelings hurt.