Eugenics, for or Against?

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Could that be where humans and gorillas separated in history? They went on to became hulk-like, while our brains increased in size?[/quote]

It happened on more than one occasion actually. I forget the name, but the lucy ancestor split into a larger more herbivorous specie that went extinct, and Neanderthal too. Some think Neanderthal went extinct simply because it had too high of a calorie expenditure relative to us.
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I recall something similar. I think it had to do with Neanderthals, and how the had some advantages over us, a larger brain, muscle mass. The deciding factor(if I’m remembering correctly) was that the Neanderthals remained nomadic while we didnt. That would explain your high kcal expenditure.
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Their slightly larger brain than ours was probably just because they were larger. Larger animals need more brain mass to control that extra mass. An extreme example is an elephant. Their brain is way bigger than ours, but they aren’t way smarter.[/quote]

Ok, that cleared that up for me. Thanks.

YOU DON’T KNOW!! Hence the number can be higher OR lower. The number is unknown, NOT an ‘at least amount’

[quote]orion wrote:

Of course it is different but your first statement is just nonsense.

We know of the miscarriages but we also know that the majority of miscarriages are not counted because every single one of them happens before the womman even notices?

SO how could it possibly be lower ? That would mean that there are pregnancies out there that are carried out without the women themselves noticing.

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You realize that slave owners tried to breed slaves, in the same ways as we breed animals today, correct?? So you wouldn’t be from the south would you?? Maybe Texas?! jaa jaa jaa

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

I said animal populations need genetic variation, inbreeding (which you state you support but yet are against breeding with cousins because it leads to inbreeding) reduces genetic variation - - consider dog breeding. The purer the breed the less genetic variability and the more breed related problems. Or look into zoo breeding programs and the effort they make to prevent/minimize inbreeding. This is a very basic concept.

You do know humans are classified as mammals? We are animals. That is an even more basic concept.[/quote]

Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Reading comprehension FAIL!! I refuse to provide counterpoints to anything you bring to the table because a third grader grasps concepts easier.[/quote]

What concept did you explain?

  1. That vaccinations are useless?
    They aren’t. I provided proof of that(polio, small pox) which you won’t even acknowledge.
    HISTORY COMPREHENSION FAIL

  2. That b/c you grew up around 2nd hand smoke(and were “often sick” as you put it) and haven’t been affected as far as you can tell(at the moment)?
    You’ve only posted your deranged opinion here, You haven’t provided any sources. I’ll stop what I know is coming next, I sourced wiki, but you know what, wiki is sourced too, and that’s more than you’ve brought to the table.

I think I see a troll.
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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Reading comprehension FAIL!! I refuse to provide counterpoints to anything you bring to the table because a third grader grasps concepts easier.[/quote]

What concept did you explain?

  1. That vaccinations are useless?
    They aren’t. I provided proof of that(polio, small pox) which you won’t even acknowledge.
    HISTORY COMPREHENSION FAIL

  2. That b/c you grew up around 2nd hand smoke(and were “often sick” as you put it) and haven’t been affected as far as you can tell(at the moment)?
    You’ve only posted your deranged opinion here, You haven’t provided any sources. I’ll stop what I know is coming next, I sourced wiki, but you know what, wiki is sourced too, and that’s more than you’ve brought to the table.

I think I see a troll.
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Are you this angry and excitable in person?

kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. [/quote]
What does the geographic location of Canada have anything to do with this discussion and your shitty (lack of a) contribution to it?
I don’t think I’ve ever come across as a know-it-all, maybe a know-more-than-kneedagger79, but not a know-it-all. lol

Is a ‘top God’ the God of (lesser) Gods? lol. You can pray all you want but you’ll always be close to Canada, and vice-versa. Motherland? What is this the cold war?

What are you on man? I can hear you screaming at your monitor when I read your posts.
Unless you’ve lived in Canada for an extended amount of time, you really have no base for any of your (poor) accusations.

If you don’t want to called a troll quit acting like one, quit being so emotional, get off your knees and out of the gloryhole that you enjoy so much, and provide some facts and sources for your (fucked up?) opinions.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
YOU DON’T KNOW!! Hence the number can be higher OR lower. The number is unknown, NOT an ‘at least amount’

[quote]orion wrote:

Of course it is different but your first statement is just nonsense.

We know of the miscarriages but we also know that the majority of miscarriages are not counted because every single one of them happens before the womman even notices?

SO how could it possibly be lower ? That would mean that there are pregnancies out there that are carried out without the women themselves noticing.

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And again, IF ALL THE PREGNACIES THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT WERE MISCARRIAGES THE PERCENTAGE CANNOT POSSIBLY, LIKE EVA!!!1!!, NO CHANCE IN HELL, NO WAY JOSE, BE LOWER!

Logic, dude, logic.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!![/quote]

You are the reason we need eugenics, you pathetic retard.

genetic diversity will get you farther than ‘eugenics’ or breeding for a trait. Genetic inheritance isn’t strictly mendelian, so the whole idea doesn’t even make sense. if you can CLONE someone… that should have been the question. Are you against cloning ‘perfect’ human beings or not.

I am so mad!! Jumping up and down because you think the world works better, when a man tries to fill the role of God. Yuppers, I’m steamin’ angry!! Grr

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Reading comprehension FAIL!! I refuse to provide counterpoints to anything you bring to the table because a third grader grasps concepts easier.[/quote]

What concept did you explain?

  1. That vaccinations are useless?
    They aren’t. I provided proof of that(polio, small pox) which you won’t even acknowledge.
    HISTORY COMPREHENSION FAIL

  2. That b/c you grew up around 2nd hand smoke(and were “often sick” as you put it) and haven’t been affected as far as you can tell(at the moment)?
    You’ve only posted your deranged opinion here, You haven’t provided any sources. I’ll stop what I know is coming next, I sourced wiki, but you know what, wiki is sourced too, and that’s more than you’ve brought to the table.

I think I see a troll.
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Are you this angry and excitable in person?[/quote]

So where are the sources you provided?? Aww shucks, I thought this was an internet board which is for…wait a minute, hold on, for a fucking opinion. Tell me again where FREE will comes into play while you tell everyone where and when to breed?! Then tell me how you are going to ensure the health of MY child by taking more money and mess around with the genetics, which even the brightest minds of today are just cracking into understanding. Oh wait, you are from Canada. You make so much more sense now!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. [/quote]
What does the geographic location of Canada have anything to do with this discussion and your shitty (lack of a) contribution to it?
I don’t think I’ve ever come across as a know-it-all, maybe a know-more-than-kneedagger79, but not a know-it-all. lol

Is a ‘top God’ the God of (lesser) Gods? lol. You can pray all you want but you’ll always be close to Canada, and vice-versa. Motherland? What is this the cold war?

What are you on man? I can hear you screaming at your monitor when I read your posts.
Unless you’ve lived in Canada for an extended amount of time, you really have no base for any of your (poor) accusations.

If you don’t want to called a troll quit acting like one, quit being so emotional, get off your knees and out of the gloryhole that you enjoy so much, and provide some facts and sources for your (fucked up?) opinions.[/quote]

Is the number provided a minimum of the total?? My UNDERSTANDING, it was a range. If you know so much more, please orion enlighten me with your wisdom. You have the credentials to back your UNDERSTANDING, correct?? A PhD or even a masters? How about a bachelors?! Do NOT forget Austria teaches the brightest minds of the world!!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
YOU DON’T KNOW!! Hence the number can be higher OR lower. The number is unknown, NOT an ‘at least amount’

[quote]orion wrote:

Of course it is different but your first statement is just nonsense.

We know of the miscarriages but we also know that the majority of miscarriages are not counted because every single one of them happens before the womman even notices?

SO how could it possibly be lower ? That would mean that there are pregnancies out there that are carried out without the women themselves noticing.

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And again, IF ALL THE PREGNACIES THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT WERE MISCARRIAGES THE PERCENTAGE CANNOT POSSIBLY, LIKE EVA!!!1!!, NO CHANCE IN HELL, NO WAY JOSE, BE LOWER!

Logic, dude, logic.

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So RG show me how I am mistaken. Or can you only taunt a person when you know nothing and simply want attention??

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!![/quote]

You are the reason we need eugenics, you pathetic retard.[/quote]

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So where are the sources you provided?? Aww shucks, I thought this was an internet board which is for…wait a minute, hold on, for a fucking opinion. Tell me again where FREE will comes into play while you tell everyone where and when to breed?! Then tell me how you are going to ensure the health of MY child by taking more money and mess around with the genetics, which even the brightest minds of today are just cracking into understanding. Oh wait, you are from Canada. You make so much more sense now!![/quote]
Keep it down man, you’re hurting my ears.
Do you only post when you’re high on painkillers or something?

I posted sources for the, dare I say, common knowledge that vaccinations are effective(small pox/polio). Just because you choose to ignore them like a fucking solipsist doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Post your fucked up opinion all you want, it doesn’t make it right. Facts are proven and replicable, your opinions are not proven and have only been replicated by you yelling at your screen.

Before I forget, please tell me that you haven’t reproduced? You’re making a strong case for eugenics with your poor dialogue. No one said “Make eugenics mandatory so we can create a new race of Ubermensch”. You’re delusional and arguing with these delusions. We’re trying to have discussion on voluntary eugenics, and what it would involve.

Again bringing up my location as if it adds any strength to your pathetic argument. Guess what? It makes it weaker. :wink:

Now get away from the table, grown-ups are talking.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Is the number provided a minimum of the total?? My UNDERSTANDING, it was a range. If you know so much more, please orion enlighten me with your wisdom. You have the credentials to back your UNDERSTANDING, correct?? A PhD or even a masters? How about a bachelors?! Do NOT forget Austria teaches the brightest minds of the world!!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
YOU DON’T KNOW!! Hence the number can be higher OR lower. The number is unknown, NOT an ‘at least amount’

[quote]orion wrote:

Of course it is different but your first statement is just nonsense.

We know of the miscarriages but we also know that the majority of miscarriages are not counted because every single one of them happens before the womman even notices?

SO how could it possibly be lower ? That would mean that there are pregnancies out there that are carried out without the women themselves noticing.

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And again, IF ALL THE PREGNACIES THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT WERE MISCARRIAGES THE PERCENTAGE CANNOT POSSIBLY, LIKE EVA!!!1!!, NO CHANCE IN HELL, NO WAY JOSE, BE LOWER!

Logic, dude, logic.

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You make orion sad.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I am so mad!! Jumping up and down because you think the world works better, when a man tries to fill the role of God. Yuppers, I’m steamin’ angry!! Grr

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Reading comprehension FAIL!! I refuse to provide counterpoints to anything you bring to the table because a third grader grasps concepts easier.[/quote]

What concept did you explain?

  1. That vaccinations are useless?
    They aren’t. I provided proof of that(polio, small pox) which you won’t even acknowledge.
    HISTORY COMPREHENSION FAIL

  2. That b/c you grew up around 2nd hand smoke(and were “often sick” as you put it) and haven’t been affected as far as you can tell(at the moment)?
    You’ve only posted your deranged opinion here, You haven’t provided any sources. I’ll stop what I know is coming next, I sourced wiki, but you know what, wiki is sourced too, and that’s more than you’ve brought to the table.

I think I see a troll.
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Are you this angry and excitable in person?[/quote]
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When was I trying to play the role of God? I don’t remember mentioning that on the forums here.

Matty do you think I give a fuck what you think? You talk about vaccines and eugenics like they are the same. Learn the difference and you might understand the problems. Has your mommy always told you that the world has a special place just for you?!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So where are the sources you provided?? Aww shucks, I thought this was an internet board which is for…wait a minute, hold on, for a fucking opinion. Tell me again where FREE will comes into play while you tell everyone where and when to breed?! Then tell me how you are going to ensure the health of MY child by taking more money and mess around with the genetics, which even the brightest minds of today are just cracking into understanding. Oh wait, you are from Canada. You make so much more sense now!![/quote]
Keep it down man, you’re hurting my ears.
Do you only post when you’re high on painkillers or something?

I posted sources for the, dare I say, common knowledge that vaccinations are effective(small pox/polio). Just because you choose to ignore them like a fucking solipsist doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Post your fucked up opinion all you want, it doesn’t make it right. Facts are proven and replicable, your opinions are not proven and have only been replicated by you yelling at your screen.

Before I forget, please tell me that you haven’t reproduced? You’re making a strong case for eugenics with your poor dialogue. No one said “Make eugenics mandatory so we can create a new race of Ubermensch”. You’re delusional and arguing with these delusions. We’re trying to have discussion on voluntary eugenics, and what it would involve.

Again bringing up my location as if it adds any strength to your pathetic argument. Guess what? It makes it weaker. :wink:

Now get away from the table, grown-ups are talking.
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Orion might need to get out into the real world and realize life is something even you can’t control.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Is the number provided a minimum of the total?? My UNDERSTANDING, it was a range. If you know so much more, please orion enlighten me with your wisdom. You have the credentials to back your UNDERSTANDING, correct?? A PhD or even a masters? How about a bachelors?! Do NOT forget Austria teaches the brightest minds of the world!!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
YOU DON’T KNOW!! Hence the number can be higher OR lower. The number is unknown, NOT an ‘at least amount’

[quote]orion wrote:

Of course it is different but your first statement is just nonsense.

We know of the miscarriages but we also know that the majority of miscarriages are not counted because every single one of them happens before the womman even notices?

SO how could it possibly be lower ? That would mean that there are pregnancies out there that are carried out without the women themselves noticing.

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And again, IF ALL THE PREGNACIES THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT WERE MISCARRIAGES THE PERCENTAGE CANNOT POSSIBLY, LIKE EVA!!!1!!, NO CHANCE IN HELL, NO WAY JOSE, BE LOWER!

Logic, dude, logic.

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You make orion sad.

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Remind me again where is eugenics is critical?? Does it NOT change the genetics of a person?!

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I am so mad!! Jumping up and down because you think the world works better, when a man tries to fill the role of God. Yuppers, I’m steamin’ angry!! Grr

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Matty, my bad dude!! You have everything figured out about the world, all while you sit on top of these United States. Oh man, can we get us some of that mandated health care?! God, I pray top God we will never be anything close to YOU and your motherland. Oh wait, can you explain evolution to me?! Wait, hold your breath!!

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Reading comprehension FAIL!! I refuse to provide counterpoints to anything you bring to the table because a third grader grasps concepts easier.[/quote]

What concept did you explain?

  1. That vaccinations are useless?
    They aren’t. I provided proof of that(polio, small pox) which you won’t even acknowledge.
    HISTORY COMPREHENSION FAIL

  2. That b/c you grew up around 2nd hand smoke(and were “often sick” as you put it) and haven’t been affected as far as you can tell(at the moment)?
    You’ve only posted your deranged opinion here, You haven’t provided any sources. I’ll stop what I know is coming next, I sourced wiki, but you know what, wiki is sourced too, and that’s more than you’ve brought to the table.

I think I see a troll.
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Are you this angry and excitable in person?[/quote]
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When was I trying to play the role of God? I don’t remember mentioning that on the forums here.[/quote]

Ignore the angry little troll.