[quote]hlss09 wrote:
^ what if you don’ believe in God?
Also, so far as the bad reputation argument, my teacher actaully brought that up. Very interesting point. [/quote]
The bad reputation argument is pointless. You should bring this up to your teacher:
The assumption has always been that Man will act in his own best interests and that in a State of War/Nature these interests are defined in a different way than in society. So in a State of War/Nature, Man is only concerned with that which helps him. If he robs from someone, it should always then be assumed that he has thought out the possible repercussions (whatever they may be) in advance and decided that his actions are still warranted. If he hasn’t thought about it or he makes a mistake in judgment he will suffer whatever fate is due him.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
This is an important point! It seems to me that a lot of religious people and religious groups pick and choose which stories in the Bible (Qur’an etc.) by which they want to live. If they’re choosing which stories represent moral principles, then their standard of morality existed before exposure to the religious text. The moral standard predates the religious standard, and even creates the religious standard.[/quote]
God exists before the moral standard as man knows it, and even creates the moral standard.
But, what is the point exactly?[/quote]
The point is that if one picks out which stories in the Bible are moral, it is an application of a preexisting moral code to the Bible. Therefore the moral code predates the Bible. If, on the other hand, everything in the Bible is a standard of morality (and I would be terrified of a person who says it is), then and only then can we say that morality comes from God. [/quote]
Of course the Bible is predated by a morals, the Bible wasn’t created until 400 A.D.
And, morality comes from God otherwise there are no morals.[/quote]
Or morality comes from the human condition, tbe ability to recognize others as human beings with desires, preferences and feelings, and the ability to empathize with others. For my part I find this easier to swallow
Your PM’s should be posted on here so that you can get more than one look at things. Don’t limit yourself to just my point of view if another point of view is what you want.
Socrates said in Gorgias, “A man who is unjust, is thoroughly miserable, the more so if he doesn’t get his due punishment for the wrongdoing he commits, the less so if he pays and receives what is due at the hands of both gods and men.”
What do you guys thing?
Also, is it better to suffer an injustice than do it?
