Escalation in Israel II

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
my question remains

Right = Kick ass and Non empathy ??

Left = ???[/quote]

Right = Strong, independent, free thinking, able to defend themselves and not afraid to do so, intelligent, have well thought out LOGICAL arguments based on these things called “FACTS”, respects individual achievement, doesn’t believe in a free lunch, would rather teach someone to fish than GIVE them a fish, acts responsibly, has a strong moral compass and therefore doesn’t need a million laws telling us how to live, fiscal conservative, low taxes, LESS GOVERNMENT.

Left = Weak, dependent on government because they are too incompetent to fend for themselves, incapable of free thought, STUPID, Believes that all people are incompetent so that the Gubment should protect all of us, has arguments based on “FEELINGS” (that often change and don’t stand up to logic), respects communal achievement and group synergy and “getting along”, will take the free lunch every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never question who paid for it (they believe money falls from the sky like fairy dust), acts irresponsibly over and over again because they ignore history and don’t learn from past mistakes, has a weak moral compass and believes 8 year olds have the “right” to be transgender because they are just “expressing themselves” (expressing one’s self freely with no judgment or consequence is the most important value to the left), High taxes, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL over EVERY ASPECT of our lives from the cradle to the grave - they don’t want to have to make a SINGLE FUCKING DECISION FOR THEMSELVES, they want it all provided for them.

EDIT: ANNND they want to redistribute wealth so that it’s “fair” to everyone (except for the evil capitalist who, you know, EARNED IT).[/quote]

Basically I agree with you, but what should be done with the clueless people? I’m a big fan of the scandinavian system, obviously. I don’t want to have them sitting by the church door, even though I seldom venture there. I would provide them their booze, it’s cheap, and joints, cheap too, and a roof above their heads and a door open for those that have a revelation. Basically it could be arranged with low costs, but there are all kind of “moral” restraints. [/quote]

I basically come from the position that NO ONE should get something for nothing. Make the EARN their welfare. Have them pick up trash on the side of the road. At least SOMETHING. Make them pass a piss test to GET welfare - I have to pass one to earn it for them! Have it be in the form of credits, if you “work” five days a week, you get X number of credits and a “full” check. If you “work” only three days a week you get 60% of a full check. There are PLENTY of low skilled, community oriented activities that poor people could do, from picking up trash to painting over gang signs. If they want money, they should EARN IT.

[quote]Edgy wrote:
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You KNOW the thread is over when Edgy shows up!

While Hamas’ rocket attacks and Israel’s military actions may look familiar, they’re taking place against a whole new backdrop.

“This is unprecedented in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict,” says CNN’s Ali Younes, an analyst who has covered the region for decades. “Most Arab states are actively supporting Israel against the Palestinians – and not even shy about it or doing it discreetly.”

It’s a “joint Arab-Israeli war consisting of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia against other Arabs – the Palestinians as represented by Hamas.”

As the New York Times put it, “Arab leaders, viewing Hamas as worse than Israel, stay silent.”
Most Arab states are actively supporting Israel.

One of the outcomes of the fighting will likely be “the end of the old Arab alliance system that has, even nominally, supported the Palestinians and their goal of establishing a Palestinian state,” Younes says.

“The Israel-Hamas conflict has laid bare the new divides of the Middle East,” says Danielle Pletka, vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. “It’s no longer the Muslims against the Jews. Now it’s the extremists – the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and their backers Iran, Qatar and Turkey – against Israel and the more moderate Muslims including Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.”

“It’s a proxy war for control or dominance in the Middle East,” says CNN’s Fareed Zakaria.

To understand why and what all this means, we need to begin with understanding of Hamas.
Hamas, which has controlled the Palestinian government in Gaza for years, is an extension of the Muslim Brotherhood. To many Americans, the brotherhood is familiar for its central role in the power struggle for Egypt. But it’s much larger than that.

“The Muslim Brotherhood is international, with affiliated groups in more than 70 countries, including Saudi Arabia and the UAE,” says Eric Trager of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

The Arab Spring showed the region that uprisings can lead to the Brotherhood gaining power. So it’s a threat to the governments it opposes.

“Israel’s ongoing battle against Hamas is part of a wider regional war on the Muslim Brotherhood,” says the Soufan Group, which tracks global security. “Most Arab states share Israel’s determination to finish the movement off once and for all, but they are unlikely to be successful.”

“From the perspective of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE and some other Arab states, what the Israeli Prime Minister is doing is fighting this war against Hamas on their behalf so they can finish the last stronghold of the Muslim Brotherhood,” Younes says.

“Arab governments and official Arab media have all but adopted the Israeli view of who is a terrorist and who is not. Egyptian and Saudi-owned media are liberal in labeling the Muslim Brotherhood as ‘terrorists’ and describing Hamas as a ‘terrorist organization.’ It’s a complete turnabout from the past, when Arab states fought Israel and the U.S. in the international organizations on the definition of terrorism, and who is a terrorist or a ‘freedom fighter.’”

Egypt

Egypt’s new President vowed during his campaign that he would finish off the Muslim Brotherhood. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the former military chief, deposed Egypt’s first freely elected leader, President Mohamed Morsy of the Muslim Brotherhood, last year following mass protests against Morsy’s rule.

El-Sisi was elected officially in June.

“In Egypt you have a regime that came to power by toppling a Muslim Brotherhood government,” says Trager. “It’s therefore in an existential conflict with the Brotherhood. So it doesn’t want to see Hamas, the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, emerge stronger in a neighboring territory.”

Egypt also has another reason to stand against Hamas: rising violence and instability in Sinai, the northern part of Egypt that borders Israel and Gaza. Hamas’ network of tunnels includes some in and out of Egypt used to smuggle goods include weapons for attackson Israeli civilians.
It’s part of a regional war on the Muslim Brotherhood.

The new Egyptian government has been “cracking down aggressively since it removed the brotherhood from power,” Trager says.

El-Sisi closed the border crossings between Egypt and Gaza, which has helped block Hamas militants from escaping or smuggling in more weapons during Israel’s onslaught. But it also has contributed to the humanitarian crisis of people trapped in Gaza.

Egypt proposed a cease-fire, and Israel quickly accepted it – indicating that it contained the terms Israel was looking for, analysts say. Hamas rejected it. While Egypt has worked furiously to try to broker a truce in the past, Cairo this time shows little rush to change its proposal to one much more favorable to Hamas, analysts say.

The monarchies of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan have called on Hamas to accept the cease-fire proposal as is.

“We condemn the Israeli aggression and we support the Egyptian cease-fire proposal,” Jordan’s King Abdullah said last week.

Countries such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE are “challenged by Islamists who come to power via the ballot box rather than through royal succession,” says Trager.
The Saudis and Egyptians are more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel.
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria

“So these countries have been directly supportive of the coup in Egypt because it removed elected Islamists and therefore discredited that model.”

Saudi Arabia is “leading the charge,” partly through backing the coup and financing state media reports that attacked the brotherhood, says Younes.

“Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE all see the destruction of Hamas as of benefit to their internal security as well as to regional stability.”

“The Saudis and the Egyptians are now more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel,” says Zakaria.

“The Saudi monarchy is more worried about the prospects of Hamas winning, which would embolden Islamists in other parts of the Middle East, and therefore potentially an Islamist opposition in Saudi Arabia.”

But Hamas is not alone.

Turkey and Qatar remain supportive of Hamas.

Qatar supported Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood government, and built “an Egypt-centric Al Jazeera network that became known for its strongly pro-Muslim Brotherhood line,” says Trager.

Qatar also funds many Muslim Brotherhood figures in exile, including Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal, who is believed to have orchestrated numerous Hamas terrorist attacks.

“I think this is a case of a country with a lot of money to burn making a certain calculation in 2011 that made a lot of sense at the time: that the Brotherhood was the next big thing that was going to dominate many of the countries of the region,” says Trager. “Realistically, it made sense to bet on it.”

Turkey has “more of an ideological sympathy with the Brotherhood,” he says.
Erdogan has tried to use the cause of the Brotherhood to bolster his own Islamist credentials.

Last week, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke with CNN, accusing Israel of “genocide.”

“Erdogan has tried to use the cause of the Brotherhood to bolster his own Islamist credentials at home,” says Trager. Last year, Erdogan cracked down on mass demonstrations in his country.

Iran has long supported Hamas, supplying it with weapons. And Meshaal used to be based in Syria.

But that changed. In 2012, Meshaal left Syria as the country’s civil war deepened – a decision believed to have caused a breakdown in his relationship with Iran as well, says Firas Abi Ali, head of Middle East and North Africa Country Risk and Forecasting at the global information company IHS. Tehran is aligned with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

Now, Syria – Israel’s neighbor to the north – is locked in a brutal, multiparty civil war, with Islamist extremists hoisting severed heads onto poles. The war, believed to have killed more than 115,000 people, is just one of the many developments emphasizing how many “fault lines” there are in the region, Richard Haass, president of Council on Foreign Relations, told “CNN Tonight.”

“There’s fault lines within the Palestinians between Hamas and the other part of the Palestinian Authority. You have Sunnis vs. Shia. You have Iran vs. Saudi Arabia and the Arabs. You have secularists vs. people who embrace religion in the political space.”

Paying a price for all this is another key player: Fatah, the Palestinian faction that controls the West Bank. Fatah and Hamas have long fought each other, but earlier this year made another effort at a unity government.

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who is in charge of the government in the West Bank, “seems politically exhausted by all the twists and turns he has made in search of a durable solution,” the Soufan Gruop says. “And the one chance of reasserting his authority through a unity government that would have forced Hamas into a subordinate and less militant role has now disappeared. He must now watch helplessly as protests in the West Bank undo whatever progress he had made towards a two-state solution.”

@beans racism is not just some outdated concept. Races exist for a reason, and that’s because so called “racism.” Without it we’d all be the same shade of grey. I’m very proud of my white ethnicity and so is everyone else of theirs. American white and some in Europe are the only one ones who seem to think like this around the globe, that racism is something evil or outdated. Being racist actually means to acknowledge the actual diffrences between each race that science proves is real, but won’t get published and taught because it’s deemed politically incorrect and racist. Boo hoo. Did You know the average white Caucasian in us or Europe iq is 100, in China Japan and Korea is 105, Arabs south Americans and African Americans avg around 80-85, and Africans at 70 iq. Then not to mention the distinct thought patterns races have exclusively. Not to also mention the physical aspects.

Of course I don’t hate all jews and other races. My best friend is half black and my gf has black and native in her. But you gotta call the bull shit for what it is. Zionist are ruining this country through multiculturalism, faggotry, and open immagration laws. Not to mention the undeniable push in the media to glorify black gangsters. How can you explain that in any rational sense?
Who do you think pushed for the movement of immagration in the US? White Americans? Yeah right think again.

These are the same things that were happening in Germany before world war 2, just saying. Keep denying the facts because you think your an old man and have seen it all. A lot of you are deluded and it’s damaging. Because of “racism” all the minorities sit on their ass and collect welfare and benefits that come from gentiles hard work. Not to mention the 3 and a half billion annually sent to israel. Silly goyim don’t you know it’s racist for you to be a majority in your own countires.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
@beans racism is not just some outdated concept. Races exist for a reason, and that’s because so called “racism.” Without it we’d all be the same shade of grey. I’m very proud of my white ethnicity and so is everyone else of theirs. American white and some in Europe are the only one ones who seem to think like this around the globe, that racism is something evil or outdated. Being racist actually means to acknowledge the actual diffrences between each race that science proves is real, but won’t get published and taught because it’s deemed politically incorrect and racist. Boo hoo. Did You know the average white Caucasian in us or Europe iq is 100, in China Japan and Korea is 105, Arabs south Americans and African Americans avg around 80-85, and Africans at 70 iq. Then not to mention the distinct thought patterns races have exclusively. Not to also mention the physical aspects.

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Just curious; what would the average Ashkenazim IQ be?

Me too. My best friend is black too. And I’ve got a photo to prove it.

Exactly. The Jew uses the black man and the homos as muscle against the white race.

It’s the Jews! Get the Jews! There’s one! Don’t let him get away!

The Jews! Get the Jews!

They stabbed Germany in the back!

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
my question remains

Right = Kick ass and Non empathy ??

Left = ???[/quote]

Right = Strong, independent, free thinking, able to defend themselves and not afraid to do so, intelligent, have well thought out LOGICAL arguments based on these things called “FACTS”, respects individual achievement, doesn’t believe in a free lunch, would rather teach someone to fish than GIVE them a fish, acts responsibly, has a strong moral compass and therefore doesn’t need a million laws telling us how to live, fiscal conservative, low taxes, LESS GOVERNMENT.

Left = Weak, dependent on government because they are too incompetent to fend for themselves, incapable of free thought, STUPID, Believes that all people are incompetent so that the Gubment should protect all of us, has arguments based on “FEELINGS” (that often change and don’t stand up to logic), respects communal achievement and group synergy and “getting along”, will take the free lunch every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never question who paid for it (they believe money falls from the sky like fairy dust), acts irresponsibly over and over again because they ignore history and don’t learn from past mistakes, has a weak moral compass and believes 8 year olds have the “right” to be transgender because they are just “expressing themselves” (expressing one’s self freely with no judgment or consequence is the most important value to the left), High taxes, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL over EVERY ASPECT of our lives from the cradle to the grave - they don’t want to have to make a SINGLE FUCKING DECISION FOR THEMSELVES, they want it all provided for them.

EDIT: ANNND they want to redistribute wealth so that it’s “fair” to everyone (except for the evil capitalist who, you know, EARNED IT).[/quote]

by your definition ,minus the hyperbole and there is quite a bit of that , I am conservative

Your definition of left hyperbole and a half

By Csulli’s I am only half conservative , I will kick ass by feel I am smarter than most and can avoid the direct and indirect cost of beating some one’s ass. That is called empathy

em·pa·thy
Ë?empÉ?THÄ?/
noun
noun: empathy

the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
my question remains

Right = Kick ass and Non empathy ??

Left = ???[/quote]

Right = Strong, independent, free thinking, able to defend themselves and not afraid to do so, intelligent, have well thought out LOGICAL arguments based on these things called “FACTS”, respects individual achievement, doesn’t believe in a free lunch, would rather teach someone to fish than GIVE them a fish, acts responsibly, has a strong moral compass and therefore doesn’t need a million laws telling us how to live, fiscal conservative, low taxes, LESS GOVERNMENT.

Left = Weak, dependent on government because they are too incompetent to fend for themselves, incapable of free thought, STUPID, Believes that all people are incompetent so that the Gubment should protect all of us, has arguments based on “FEELINGS” (that often change and don’t stand up to logic), respects communal achievement and group synergy and “getting along”, will take the free lunch every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never question who paid for it (they believe money falls from the sky like fairy dust), acts irresponsibly over and over again because they ignore history and don’t learn from past mistakes, has a weak moral compass and believes 8 year olds have the “right” to be transgender because they are just “expressing themselves” (expressing one’s self freely with no judgment or consequence is the most important value to the left), High taxes, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL over EVERY ASPECT of our lives from the cradle to the grave - they don’t want to have to make a SINGLE FUCKING DECISION FOR THEMSELVES, they want it all provided for them.

EDIT: ANNND they want to redistribute wealth so that it’s “fair” to everyone (except for the evil capitalist who, you know, EARNED IT).[/quote]

Basically I agree with you, but what should be done with the clueless people? I’m a big fan of the scandinavian system, obviously. I don’t want to have them sitting by the church door, even though I seldom venture there. I would provide them their booze, it’s cheap, and joints, cheap too, and a roof above their heads and a door open for those that have a revelation. Basically it could be arranged with low costs, but there are all kind of “moral” restraints. [/quote]

I basically come from the position that NO ONE should get something for nothing. Make the EARN their welfare. Have them pick up trash on the side of the road. At least SOMETHING. Make them pass a piss test to GET welfare - I have to pass one to earn it for them! Have it be in the form of credits, if you “work” five days a week, you get X number of credits and a “full” check. If you “work” only three days a week you get 60% of a full check. There are PLENTY of low skilled, community oriented activities that poor people could do, from picking up trash to painting over gang signs. If they want money, they should EARN IT.[/quote]

just curious , did you pay the state or the fed back for your time in the big house ?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Three interesting interviews (assuming they are viewable in America). Might help introduce some different perspectives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2013/06/201361310127499186.html[/quote]

Al Jazeera = state funded propaganda channel of the Qataris.

PressTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Iranians

RTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Russians

^^The “perspectives” of these media outlets are synonymous with the “perspectives” of the Salafist regime in Qatar, the Khameneian regime in Iran and the Putin regime in Moscow. All of these channels seek to promote the foreign policy objectives of a particular regime. That’s why you get stories about Israeli “war crimes” on Al Jazeera, stories about the perfidy of nuclear weapons inspectors on PressTV and stories about the Ukrainians carrying out false flag ops to frame the Russians for the shooting down of a commercial airliner.[/quote]

Has Israel committed no war crimes in your opinion?

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Three interesting interviews (assuming they are viewable in America). Might help introduce some different perspectives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2013/06/201361310127499186.html[/quote]

Al Jazeera = state funded propaganda channel of the Qataris.

PressTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Iranians

RTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Russians

^^The “perspectives” of these media outlets are synonymous with the “perspectives” of the Salafist regime in Qatar, the Khameneian regime in Iran and the Putin regime in Moscow. All of these channels seek to promote the foreign policy objectives of a particular regime. That’s why you get stories about Israeli “war crimes” on Al Jazeera, stories about the perfidy of nuclear weapons inspectors on PressTV and stories about the Ukrainians carrying out false flag ops to frame the Russians for the shooting down of a commercial airliner.[/quote]

Has Israel committed no war crimes in your opinion?[/quote]

Opinions are like assholes.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
my question remains

Right = Kick ass and Non empathy ??

Left = ???[/quote]

Right = Strong, independent, free thinking, able to defend themselves and not afraid to do so, intelligent, have well thought out LOGICAL arguments based on these things called “FACTS”, respects individual achievement, doesn’t believe in a free lunch, would rather teach someone to fish than GIVE them a fish, acts responsibly, has a strong moral compass and therefore doesn’t need a million laws telling us how to live, fiscal conservative, low taxes, LESS GOVERNMENT.

Left = Weak, dependent on government because they are too incompetent to fend for themselves, incapable of free thought, STUPID, Believes that all people are incompetent so that the Gubment should protect all of us, has arguments based on “FEELINGS” (that often change and don’t stand up to logic), respects communal achievement and group synergy and “getting along”, will take the free lunch every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never question who paid for it (they believe money falls from the sky like fairy dust), acts irresponsibly over and over again because they ignore history and don’t learn from past mistakes, has a weak moral compass and believes 8 year olds have the “right” to be transgender because they are just “expressing themselves” (expressing one’s self freely with no judgment or consequence is the most important value to the left), High taxes, MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL over EVERY ASPECT of our lives from the cradle to the grave - they don’t want to have to make a SINGLE FUCKING DECISION FOR THEMSELVES, they want it all provided for them.

EDIT: ANNND they want to redistribute wealth so that it’s “fair” to everyone (except for the evil capitalist who, you know, EARNED IT).[/quote]

Basically I agree with you, but what should be done with the clueless people? I’m a big fan of the scandinavian system, obviously. I don’t want to have them sitting by the church door, even though I seldom venture there. I would provide them their booze, it’s cheap, and joints, cheap too, and a roof above their heads and a door open for those that have a revelation. Basically it could be arranged with low costs, but there are all kind of “moral” restraints. [/quote]

I basically come from the position that NO ONE should get something for nothing. Make the EARN their welfare. Have them pick up trash on the side of the road. At least SOMETHING. Make them pass a piss test to GET welfare - I have to pass one to earn it for them! Have it be in the form of credits, if you “work” five days a week, you get X number of credits and a “full” check. If you “work” only three days a week you get 60% of a full check. There are PLENTY of low skilled, community oriented activities that poor people could do, from picking up trash to painting over gang signs. If they want money, they should EARN IT.[/quote]

just curious , did you pay the state or the fed back for your time in the big house ? [/quote]

Yes.

And why does everyone think that being INCARCERATED (which is being held by the state against one’s will) has ANYTHING AT ALL in common with someone who is NOT INCARCERATED (and therefore has the ability to seek gainful employment)?

I get that thrown in my face every time I suggest someone on welfare actually get off their lazy ass and earn it. So I was an unwilling “burden” to the state. While I was incarcerated, I worked. I mopped floors, I worked in the library, I picked up trash on the side of the road - making 18 dollars a month. When I was on work release working at Wendy’s, they KEPT MY PAYCHECKS, when I was on parole/probation I had to pay a monthly fee to be supervised. Since my release in 1996, I dare say I’ve paid more than enough in taxes to cover whatever difference there is. Shit, I paid about 70K in taxes last year alone… So you can put that argument to rest.

And as an ex felon with out a HS diploma, I KNOW what it’s like to have trouble finding a job. Guess what? It can still be done if you want it bad enough. I’ve NEVER collected a DIME of unemployment in my life. I’ve got two hands and and strong back and when I was laid off I traveled out of state, lived in a fucking TENT and worked in the middle of the fucking ocean to feed my family. So when someone tells me that “they can’t find a job”, I’m sorry, I HAVE NO SYMPATHY. FUCK YOU, if you want it bad enough, YOU WILL FIND WORK. The problem is, they don’t want it bad enough. So I’m sorry, I don’t have “empathy” for someone who is too lazy and stupid to do what they need to do to handle their responsibilities as ADULTS. If I can sacrifice and handle MY business, why can’t they?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
@beans racism is not just some outdated concept. Races exist for a reason, and that’s because so called “racism.” Without it we’d all be the same shade of grey. I’m very proud of my white ethnicity and so is everyone else of theirs. American white and some in Europe are the only one ones who seem to think like this around the globe, that racism is something evil or outdated. Being racist actually means to acknowledge the actual diffrences between each race that science proves is real, but won’t get published and taught because it’s deemed politically incorrect and racist. Boo hoo. Did You know the average white Caucasian in us or Europe iq is 100, in China Japan and Korea is 105, Arabs south Americans and African Americans avg around 80-85, and Africans at 70 iq. Then not to mention the distinct thought patterns races have exclusively. Not to also mention the physical aspects.

[/quote]

Just curious; what would the average Ashkenazim IQ be?

[/quote]

Beat me to it.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Three interesting interviews (assuming they are viewable in America). Might help introduce some different perspectives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2013/06/201361310127499186.html[/quote]

Al Jazeera = state funded propaganda channel of the Qataris.

PressTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Iranians

RTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Russians

^^The “perspectives” of these media outlets are synonymous with the “perspectives” of the Salafist regime in Qatar, the Khameneian regime in Iran and the Putin regime in Moscow. All of these channels seek to promote the foreign policy objectives of a particular regime. That’s why you get stories about Israeli “war crimes” on Al Jazeera, stories about the perfidy of nuclear weapons inspectors on PressTV and stories about the Ukrainians carrying out false flag ops to frame the Russians for the shooting down of a commercial airliner.[/quote]

Oh dear did you even watch the interviews? I guess this is why so many on this thread are desperately uninformed of the conflict - they actively avoid any evidence.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Three interesting interviews (assuming they are viewable in America). Might help introduce some different perspectives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2013/06/201361310127499186.html[/quote]

Al Jazeera = state funded propaganda channel of the Qataris.

PressTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Iranians

RTV = state funded propaganda channel of the Russians

^^The “perspectives” of these media outlets are synonymous with the “perspectives” of the Salafist regime in Qatar, the Khameneian regime in Iran and the Putin regime in Moscow. All of these channels seek to promote the foreign policy objectives of a particular regime. That’s why you get stories about Israeli “war crimes” on Al Jazeera, stories about the perfidy of nuclear weapons inspectors on PressTV and stories about the Ukrainians carrying out false flag ops to frame the Russians for the shooting down of a commercial airliner.[/quote]

Has Israel committed no war crimes in your opinion?[/quote]

Opinions are like assholes.[/quote]

Fair enough.

I think you will find that your opinion on Al Jazeera’s coverage of Israel’s war crimes is just that. An opinion.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

The Saudis and Egyptians are more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel.
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria

[/quote]

This is perhaps the most disingenuous thing possible as Saudi Arabia has been the biggest backer of the Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and Iraq - Saudi Arabia bankroll and support ISIS.

What it is actually about is that the dictators in Saudi, Egypt etc hate the prospect of democracy.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

The Saudis and Egyptians are more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel.
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria

[/quote]

This is perhaps the most disingenuous thing possible as Saudi Arabia has been the biggest backer of the Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and Iraq - Saudi Arabia bankroll and support ISIS.

What it is actually about is that the dictators in Saudi, Egypt etc hate the prospect of democracy. [/quote]

I dunno I reckon they are probably equally afraid of anything that would take their power away. Be that fundamentalism not controlled by them or democracy.

I do think that we should separate the Saudis and the Egyptian regimes here though. The Saudis both fund fundamentalists and fear them at the same time whereas I don’t think that the Egyptians military are known for supporting fundamentalists at all. I may be wrong here but I’ve not seen any evidence for them doing so.

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

The Saudis and Egyptians are more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel.
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria

[/quote]

This is perhaps the most disingenuous thing possible as Saudi Arabia has been the biggest backer of the Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and Iraq - Saudi Arabia bankroll and support ISIS.

What it is actually about is that the dictators in Saudi, Egypt etc hate the prospect of democracy. [/quote]

I dunno I reckon they are probably equally afraid of anything that would take their power away. Be that fundamentalism not controlled by them or democracy. (I do think that we should separate the Saudis and the Egyptian regimes here though. The Saudis both fund fundamentalists and fear them at the same time whereas I don’t think that the Egyptians military are known for it?)[/quote]

Yeah its a spiders web of competing allegiances. Egypt’s military wants to make Egypt powerful, and at the moment being friends with Hamas won’t help that. Egypt have a massive PR effort going on behind the scenes. Saudi Arabia is already powerful against other countries (and most likely has nuclear weapons available if it needs them), but doesn’t want sub state groups openly opposing it.

Ultimately they all want roughly the same thing, which is less American and Israeli influence in the region.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
@beans racism is not just some outdated concept. Races exist for a reason, and that’s because so called “racism.” Without it we’d all be the same shade of grey. I’m very proud of my white ethnicity and so is everyone else of theirs. American white and some in Europe are the only one ones who seem to think like this around the globe, that racism is something evil or outdated. Being racist actually means to acknowledge the actual diffrences between each race that science proves is real, but won’t get published and taught because it’s deemed politically incorrect and racist. Boo hoo. Did You know the average white Caucasian in us or Europe iq is 100, in China Japan and Korea is 105, Arabs south Americans and African Americans avg around 80-85, and Africans at 70 iq. Then not to mention the distinct thought patterns races have exclusively. Not to also mention the physical aspects.

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Just curious; what would the average Ashkenazim IQ be?

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Beat me to it.[/quote]

Ashkenazi are European I believe so at least 100.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

The Saudis and Egyptians are more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than they are of Israel.
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria

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This is perhaps the most disingenuous thing possible as Saudi Arabia has been the biggest backer of the Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and Iraq - Saudi Arabia bankroll and support ISIS.

What it is actually about is that the dictators in Saudi, Egypt etc hate the prospect of democracy. [/quote]

You didn’t read the article, did you?