a 6 week cycle isn’t horribly suppressive, so a 6 week PCT isn’t absolutely necessary, but it will help ensure that you’ve recovered fully.
ralox isn’t all that great for PCT, though. you could run Nolva (20 mg) for 6 weeks, and run Aromasin (25 mg) for 5 weeks (stop a week prior to Nolva). or swap the Ralox (60 mg) for Nolva… yeah, it won’t bump up your T levels as much, but it’ll help control the gyno…
i’ve been digging into Albuterol a lot lately, so i think it’s interesting you brought that up.
from what i understand, since albuterol has a much faster half-life, receptor down-regulation can be avoided by dosing 1-2 times a day. maybe once in the morning, and pre-workout?
My main thing is the gyno, since i’ve had it before and had it surgically removed (but I believe some was left over from the surgery). But of course I do want to keep what I gained. Maybe I should do Nolva/Aromasin and if I get any feeling of gyno, then switch to ralox immediately? I know about Letro too…but I wouldn’t think I would have the need for letro for this particular cycle.
Yes, albuterol is pretty interesting. I’ve even read that it’ll increase your endurance and I am an endurance athlete. I was thinking of maybe using albuterol for my races. Start taking it daily 1 week before my race @4mg 3x/day and cycle off of it after race day.
^yeah, i find the actual ergogenic effect interesting, too. i think one could possibly use it pre-workout, and never really have to worry too much about the body adapting to it… i’ve never used clen, but i heard it’s not too fun to workout on.
i used some research albuterol a while back, and i used 5mg/day in the morning for a couple weeks. it was pretty smooth, but not much of a real stimulant. i’d compare it to caffeine, but a little milder…i didn’t track my bodyfat then, but i doubt once a day dosing would lead to much fat loss.
i believe albuterol elevates metabolic rate maybe only a couple %, but it does shift the preferred fuel source towards fat. so it might not jack up the metabolism as much, but it does make it burn more fat, which is really what one would want, and it seems to make workouts better, too.
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
^yeah, i find the actual ergogenic effect interesting, too. i think one could possibly use it pre-workout, and never really have to worry too much about the body adapting to it… i’ve never used clen, but i heard it’s not too fun to workout on.
i used some research albuterol a while back, and i used 5mg/day in the morning for a couple weeks. it was pretty smooth, but not much of a real stimulant. i’d compare it to caffeine, but a little milder…i didn’t track my bodyfat then, but i doubt once a day dosing would lead to much fat loss.
i believe albuterol elevates metabolic rate maybe only a couple %, but it does shift the preferred fuel source towards fat. so it might not jack up the metabolism as much, but it does make it burn more fat, which is really what one would want, and it seems to make workouts better, too.[/quote]
working out on clen isn’t that bad. Apart from the pain in my hands I actually quite like the feeling of being on clen. Wakes you up!
Clen seems great for what it is supposed to do, but it seems there are too many negatives associated with using Clen. Albuterol seems to be the way to go for safety reasons, while still being pretty effective. I used it years ago when honestly I didn’t really know what I was doing. This time around I will mess around with the dosages and see how I respond to it. Since I ride my road bike (25+ miles EoD), and I ride my mountain bike on the weekends at around 8,000ft elevation (I live at sea level), i’ll be able to test what kind of positive effect albuterol will have on my energy and endurance levels.
Albuterol and Keto has been ordered, along with aromasin for my pct. Should be here in another day or two. Today was another day of feeling kinda lethargic. In the morning i just did NOT want to get out of bed even though in my head I kept saying get up!!! I forced myself to get up and make breakfast (egg whites and oatmeal). That seemed to fix things. Not only was I lazy and tired but my vision was kinda blurry. Maybe I was just tired from laying sod ALL day the day before in the sun and only getting like 5 hours of sleep due to the epi.
Ok so a few things, for anyone that cares. In 2 days I will complete week 4. I must say that I don’t know what to think about this particular epi. Everything seemed great the first two week (probably placebo) but when I started week 3 and up until now, i’m not sure if anything is happening.
Strength didn’t go up a whole lot, i’m not really feeling lethargic at all from the estrogen drop. Pumps have not been great lately during my work outs. My joints dont ache, i even stopped taking the joint support supplement. I’m lifting a lot and putting in about 150 miles per week on my road bike, I would think that at least my joint would ache, but nothing. Some people say that EPI is hit or miss with people, but i believe it’s more like bunk batch or not bunk batch.
I did 30/40/40/40. I ordered a different EPI (LGI) since i’m about to run out of this bottle (Vital Labs) and run it for the next 2 weeks. Should I even bother, or should I just go into PCT now?
On top of that, I have been using the albuterol a few times. I feel that it does help with endurance and breathing feels better but other than that I dont “feel” anything. I started with 4mg and now im using 6mg. I’ve heard of people using 8mg 3x/day, so I might have to go up to 8mg?
I suppose so. Live and learn. I suppose I could bump it up to 60mg starting today, so I’ll get these next 2 weeks at 60mg. Any problem going 8 weeks on epi? 6 weeks seemed long enough, but can I go 8?
[quote]squier wrote:
I suppose so. Live and learn. I suppose I could bump it up to 60mg starting today, so I’ll get these next 2 weeks at 60mg. Any problem going 8 weeks on epi? 6 weeks seemed long enough, but can I go 8?[/quote]
If you plan to go beyond 6 weeks, and up the dose, I would get your liver enzyme values checked first. Liver damage is the main concern with running a 17a methylated oral longer than 4-6 weeks. If the numbers look good, go for it.
HCG is not a must but if you want a faster recovery, do 250iu 2x a week starting on week 2. Do not run it into PCT.
start PCT 3 days after last pin. If you’re anal about active lives and wasting your SERM, start 6 days after. Run it for 4 weeks. Without hcg I would suggest up to 6 weeks.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
That actually looks pretty good lol.
aromasin 25mg EOD. Nolva 10mg ED.
HCG is not a must but if you want a faster recovery, do 250iu 2x a week starting on week 2. Do not run it into PCT.
start PCT 3 days after last pin. If you’re anal about active lives and wasting your SERM, start 6 days after. Run it for 4 weeks. Without hcg I would suggest up to 6 weeks.[/quote]
Ok, aromasin EoD from day one to the end of pct.
Nolva 10mg/day if gyno symptoms occur?, but 20mg/day during pct.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
That actually looks pretty good lol.
aromasin 25mg EOD. Nolva 10mg ED.
HCG is not a must but if you want a faster recovery, do 250iu 2x a week starting on week 2. Do not run it into PCT.
start PCT 3 days after last pin. If you’re anal about active lives and wasting your SERM, start 6 days after. Run it for 4 weeks. Without hcg I would suggest up to 6 weeks.[/quote]
Ok, aromasin EoD from day one to the end of pct.
Nolva 10mg/day if gyno symptoms occur?, but 20mg/day during pct.
3 days after last pin sounds good to me.
Hcg starting week 2, got it.
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Nolva 10mg ed for gyno prevention. Go up to 20mg if symptoms appear.
Are you starting this cycle immediately? If your epi wasn’t bunk you may still have some minor suppression.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
That actually looks pretty good lol.
aromasin 25mg EOD. Nolva 10mg ED.
HCG is not a must but if you want a faster recovery, do 250iu 2x a week starting on week 2. Do not run it into PCT.
start PCT 3 days after last pin. If you’re anal about active lives and wasting your SERM, start 6 days after. Run it for 4 weeks. Without hcg I would suggest up to 6 weeks.[/quote]
Ok, aromasin EoD from day one to the end of pct.
Nolva 10mg/day if gyno symptoms occur?, but 20mg/day during pct.
3 days after last pin sounds good to me.
Hcg starting week 2, got it.
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Nolva 10mg ed for gyno prevention. Go up to 20mg if symptoms appear.
Are you starting this cycle immediately? If your epi wasn’t bunk you may still have some minor suppression.
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Ooh ok. Nice and clear on the nolva dosing now.
No, not starting right away. I was going to start the epi pct today. Only did 4 weeks total of epi. I was going to do 2 more weeks at 60mg but I came down with a cold and figured it wouldn’t be worth it to do the last 2 weeks at 60mg. I’m guessing I wouldn’t need too long of a pct though. My balls don’t feel as if they shrunk at all (I took tren caps years ago and that made my balls tiny and with zero sex drive). My sex drive this time around didn’t change much. I wasn’t as eager to have sex but when I did, I performed just fine. I had zero joint pain too. That’s what’s making me think it was either bunk or as yogi would say, I didn’t dose high enough