Emperor Has No Clothes!

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Our very own Beans voted for Obama the first time around if I am not mistaken.
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I am an admitted reformed American Liberal, yes. And, I’ll be honest, I was so done with the BS I saw from the Bush administration, I did eat up the “hope and change” bullshit way more than any intelligent person should. I was ignorant.

However, that all said, I would have (and did) vote for a lump of turd in 2012 rather than that inept slug…[/quote]

Hahaha. I really, reeaaally hope there’s a write-in somewhere with “lump of crap” checked next to it under your name. For some reason i find this extraordinarily funny today lol.

On another note–man even I couldn’t help but get caught up in things just a little when the inaugeration speach in 08 was made. I honestly had a momentary “whoa Reagan speech” moment. And then i turned off the tv and re-read the speech on paper, came back to my senses, and thought: what a terribly arrogant speech to make. And i didn’t like him at all during the 08 election. If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.

FYI you are one of my fav. posters around here

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.[/quote]

I preferred Hillary in the primary…

But shit, Reagan, Breitbart and Bill Whittle were all reformed liberals. If they aren’t ashamed, neither am I. :wink: live and learn I guess.

Thanks man. You’re very thoughtful so that means a lot.

I will get to this when I have time, but it appears that, from the face of your complaints, most of your outrage likely stems from consuming sloppy, agenda-driven media sources and “journalism.” I further suspect that your outrage is most likely filtered through partisan/ideological anger, which is… understandable, but unreasonable. Most of these topics have already been covered on the Board, and have already had responses fully and completely dissected and dismantled. I’d be happy to link/quote them, but I do not have time to undertake a 42-point complaint/answer project just this minute.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.[/quote]

I preferred Hillary in the primary…

But shit, Reagan, Breitbart and Bill Whittle were all reformed liberals. If they aren’t ashamed, neither am I. :wink: live and learn I guess.

Thanks man. You’re very thoughtful so that means a lot. [/quote]

Nothing to be ashamed of; but keep in mind that republican doesn’t mean conservative. We would have to go back a substantial period of time before we found an administration/congress/court that respected constitutional limits. The lesser of evils is how we arrived where we are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.[/quote]

I preferred Hillary in the primary…

But shit, Reagan, Breitbart and Bill Whittle were all reformed liberals. If they aren’t ashamed, neither am I. :wink: live and learn I guess.

Thanks man. You’re very thoughtful so that means a lot. [/quote]

Nothing to be ashamed of; but keep in mind that republican doesn’t mean conservative. We would have to go back a substantial period of time before we found an administration/congress/court that respected constitutional limits. The lesser of evils is how we arrived where we are.

[/quote]

For sure. I’m fairly libertarian these days, and despise most of the establishment Republican guard as well. Graham and McCain, etc. They can get bent too… lol.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.[/quote]

I preferred Hillary in the primary…

But shit, Reagan, Breitbart and Bill Whittle were all reformed liberals. If they aren’t ashamed, neither am I. :wink: live and learn I guess.

Thanks man. You’re very thoughtful so that means a lot. [/quote]

We would have been better off with Hillary. <---- Let that statement sink into your cranium.

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Please help me add to this list:

  1. Benghazi. Who Sent Rice out to those shows for the damn talking points? Simple.

  2. IRS Scandal. This should be a BIG one. It might take years to go down the rabbit hole on this one. The lead needs to be a patient former prosecutor who doesn’t jump in front of the camera too often. He will understand that his glory will eventually come with folks get prosecuted. Start at the bottom. Start charging these people to let the others know that you will be charging people. Then work your way up. Slowly. Go to the next tier- the middle managers. But this is where you shift gears. You DO NOT prosecute these guys, but offer immunity, or maybe easy plea deals in exchange for testimony to get the senior level people. Go for search warrants against these senior level execs. getting computers, cell phones, emails, etc. And alot of this stuff was done in their government offices so the chance that the hard drive is 100% wiped or destroyed is next to none. They are screwed. Use tactics like the IRS is the Mob. They are more similar than different…

  3. AP Phone Records Scandal. Wow. Don’t know really where to start.

  4. Keystone Pipeline Controversy. After winning a second term in 2012, Obama promised to spend much of his following four years trying to address the causes of global warming. But after only a few months, we again see that he is a man of no integrity and leans toward support.

  5. Illegal immigration and ObamaCare. Remember the priceless exchange between Obama and Joe Wilson in Sept. 2009??? Obama sought to clear up confusion and address many “misleading” statements about his proposals in a 2009 speech before a rare joint session in Congress.
    “Now, there are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false,” Obama said. "The reforms I am proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."At that moment in Obama’s speech, Republican U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson of South Caroline yelled “YOU LIE”!! Awesome.

  6. Whose idea was Sequestration? When it was first put in the Budget Control Act of 2011. I’ll give you a hint. President B________ O__________.

  7. Gun Control total Failure. Never let a crisis go to waste. No wait… er…

  8. New Area 51 compound in Utah. What the hell are they building out there and why are they collecting all of our PRIVATE DATA???

  9. NSA bullcrap. Spying on us. I love what Obama and Biden said about Bush/Ashcroft when they were in power back in 2007! Unbelievable. It’s a felony for them to open my mail, but they can go thru my inbox all day long?? Hey Eric Holder! F*** You!

  10. State Dept. sex scandal and alleged cover-up in progress. This will be interesting. Smells like Benghazi. Same players.

  11. Fast and Furious. R.I.P. Brian Terry.

  12. Solyndra. Given a Gov’t loan for $535mil. Obama admin gave the loan despite warnings from congress. Obama said it will create 4,000 “Green” jobs. Company went bankrupt in 2011 and shut down all operations. Congress investigated. Found out the Obama admin knew the company was NOT financially sound. Many shareholders were large donors to Obama’s campaign. This is how politics is done in Chicago.

  13. Secret Service and hookers. See above.

  14. The “Beer Summit”. Total Amateur hour.

  15. Ground Zero Mosque

  16. “You Didn’t Build That!”

  17. Obama’s “initiatives” for the Black community. What are they? Unemployment and poverty continue to get worse and are disproportionally worse to other ethnic minorities. And he refused to even address it; even they are fiercely loyal to him. Why won’t he do something? If he can’t, at least make some noise, draw some damn attention.

  18. Fort Hood Shooting. Calling it “Workplace-Violence” Really??

  19. Inability to state “We are at war with Radical Islamic Muslim Terrorists who want to kill us” is putting all of us in danger.

  20. New Black Panther Party voting intimidation. Dereliction of duty.

  21. Recess Appointments. Total embarrassment. And he was a law professor at one point? So he could install the Dream Act, right???

  22. Shit handling of the Boston Bombing by the Justice Department. And Let’s just be clear about one thing: With all this criticism about Obama, none of it is personal. He is just an inept, misguided, naive, amateur. With a political philophy that I disagree with. Eric Holder is a piece of shit. Straight up. I don’t like the man. I hope he is charged criminally. He has committed perjury multiple times, and he should be charged. And speaking of the dirt-bag…

  23. Whistle-blower prosecutions. Again, Holder.

  24. EPA for releasing personal data on 80,000 farmers and livestock operators to rabid leftist environmentalist groups, thus targeting farm families.

  25. Death of SEALS in Afghanistan: irregularities, lies and cover-ups.

  26. Waging war in Libya without congressional authorization.

  27. Lies and media manipulation in the wake of Sequestration resulting in public safety put at risk.

  28. All the “Czars”

  29. Born Alive Infant Protect Act. Lied REPEATEDLY about his voting record when he was a state senator. Why are many outside of Illinois unfamiliar with this scandal? Thank the media for covering for him.

  30. ACORN. N’uff said.

  31. Marxist New Party. In 1995 he accepted the nomination and ran as their candidate! Don’t believe me?

  32. Civilian National Security Force. He wants the SEIU to “paint the nation purple”.

  33. Ridiculed people who competed in the Special Olympics. Could You imagine if Bush did that? Wow.

  34. Emil Jones controversy. Explains his character.

  35. Terence Flynn of the Labor Relations Board resigned after being accused of leaking information to the National Association of Manufacturers. Martha Johnson head of the GSA fired two top officials and resigned herself after it was revealed that they lived it up to the tune of $822k in Vegas on a 4 day training conference for 300 workers.

  36. Gitmo.

  37. Support of Muslim Brotherhood.

  38. Sealing of ALL his personal records including his Harvard Thesis and Occidental College transcripts. The first President ever to have ANY type of “NON-TRANSPARANCY”. Love that word.

  39. Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Father Pfeghler, Tony Resko, his cocaine buddy in college. Don’t you judge a person’s character by the company they keep?

Now, I know I can find more if I look… but man, this is ridiculous.

Please add to this list. Number 40 is…?[/quote]

We don’t need 40. The current 5 is sufficient.

  1. Shovel-ready jobs not being so shovel-ready after all.
  1. The police acted stupidly.

  2. The wise latina.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I don’t think Obama is the root of all the country’s problems like some people on here, and I don’t even think there’s anything egregiously malicious or insidious about a lot of the stuff he’s done, or at least not to the extent that some have argued…[/quote]

I apologize we agree :slight_smile:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Fuck you DBCOOPER :slight_smile: Faux news has told you and a small vocal community,Muslim, Atheist , Kenyan, Negro is the Anti Christ and yall believe them. I find it hard to believe how3 gullible you and your ilk are[/quote]

^^^^totally fits the prototypical low-information voter ^^^^^

Not saying pitt is smart enough to find his polling place, but he does seem to like free stuff enough to hop on a bus and vote anywhere there is the promise of a free meal. [/quote]

wow the guy that has definitions to words that are not in the dictionary speaks , very impressive

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Fuck you DBCOOPER :slight_smile: Faux news has told you and a small vocal community,Muslim, Atheist , Kenyan, Negro is the Anti Christ and yall believe them. I find it hard to believe how3 gullible you and your ilk are[/quote]

^^^^totally fits the prototypical low-information voter ^^^^^

Not saying pitt is smart enough to find his polling place, but he does seem to like free stuff enough to hop on a bus and vote anywhere there is the promise of a free meal. [/quote]

For once, we are in agreement on something. Although I don’t think he’d take the bus. Those cost money. Probably one of those free shuttle services for the disabled and elderly.[/quote]

I’m talking about the Obama Express. Free ride to the polls, and then after you’ve pulled the right lever - free food. Kids like Zep would do anything for free food.

—EDIT—
Accidentally implicated Zep instead of pitt. But is there really any difference between the two?
[/quote]

Any body that has followed my posts know I am not a fan of Obama , I do how ever feel that every body that loves George and hates Bam is a racist , they could be the same person . I will also bet next President elected will follow suit , regardless of party affiliation .

I feel that so much is spent on how much worse obama is the George that no one is addressing the real problems with the Bam Admin

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
If he could have suckered me in like that even momentarily there’s no way it can be held against you as a former liberal haha.[/quote]

I preferred Hillary in the primary…

But shit, Reagan, Breitbart and Bill Whittle were all reformed liberals. If they aren’t ashamed, neither am I. :wink: live and learn I guess.

Thanks man. You’re very thoughtful so that means a lot. [/quote]

Nothing to be ashamed of; but keep in mind that republican doesn’t mean conservative. We would have to go back a substantial period of time before we found an administration/congress/court that respected constitutional limits. The lesser of evils is how we arrived where we are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

[/quote]

the Republicans are the other side of the same coin the Democrats are

Provide evidence please.

I’ll wait.

Seeing that I voted for Obama both times, I think that this post has less to do with Obama and more to do with disparaging people like me. On that note, starting off your 42-point rant (including the three extra points that you brought up later in the thread) by making an accusation of racism on my part for my voting choice is incredibly, incredibly dismissive. Incredibly. For godâ??s sake, man, while I understand and acknowledge that there are those who voted for Obama simply because he is black, you should at least acknowledge the possibility, the mere possibility that you yourself are being incredibly racist by thinking that the majority of the electorate was simply motivated by race. I donâ??t think that every person or the majority of people voted for McCain or Romney simply because they were white. Thatâ??s ridiculous and cheap. Aim higher.

Further, as far as style over substance goes, thatâ??s just as equally dismissive. Substance? By the re-election for president, Obama had 7 years of national experience under his belt. Of which, he could tout several successes, including drawing Iraq to a close, setting down a timetable for pulling out of Afghanistan, passing a comprehensive healthcare reform package, stemming the hemorrhage of job loss, and executing the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Romney had four years as Governor of Massachusetts, which, while a great feat in and of itself, was diminished by the fact that he was running against his own record as Governor. On top of that, while he touted his successes as a businessman (and he was and is a financially successful businessman), I hardly think that you can hold it against the majority of the country for wondering how success was defined, because he managed to save Bain Capital by losing a lot of jobs.

There is that a constant criticism that Obama lacks substance. But really, what are you speaking about? In what way can you demonstrate that he lacks substance? There is a constant criticism that he has â??never worked a day in his life,â?? because he has worked a long time in government or not-for-profit industries. But aside from being completely factually incorrect (he spent a number of years in private practice of law, for example), there is the stunning hypocrisy by those who make that accusation who were diehard Paul Ryan fans. Paul Ryan used funds from a social safety net program to pay for higher education, and upon graduating, spent the rest of his life working for government. I have absolutely, absolutely no problem with that. I actually admire him in that respect. But I have a problem with people who decry Obama spending SOME of his career outside the private sector while not holding Ryan, who spent ALL of his career in the public sector, to that same standard.

As far as the Bush troubles go, I think itâ??s a very, very glib assertion that pointing out that large, far-reaching problems started by Bush (such as going to war while simultaneously lowering taxes, proposing a huge Medicare expansion while failing to provide any funding mechanism for it), can be solved in a mere 2-4 years. Even greater than that is failing to acknowledge that some issues, such as our banking and financial problems, started before Bush. Although I believe that Clintonâ??s administration did a great job, he is not without criticism. Worldcom, Enron, and the repeal of Glass-Steagall occurred under his watch. I can admit that. And I do admit that. So before you just start yelling about partisan leanings, just keep that in mind.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

For sure. I’m fairly libertarian these days, and despise most of the establishment Republican guard as well. Graham and McCain, etc. They can get bent too… lol.[/quote]

Yeah, our economic views might not convince you, you may see us as libertines (wou yould be wrong, but still) but our honest, sincere and ideologically pure hatred and contempt for elected officials draws you in like a moth to a flame.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Fuck you DBCOOPER :slight_smile: Faux news has told you and a small vocal community,Muslim, Atheist , Kenyan, Negro is the Anti Christ and yall believe them. I find it hard to believe how3 gullible you and your ilk are[/quote]

^^^^totally fits the prototypical low-information voter ^^^^^

Not saying pitt is smart enough to find his polling place, but he does seem to like free stuff enough to hop on a bus and vote anywhere there is the promise of a free meal. [/quote]

For once, we are in agreement on something. Although I don’t think he’d take the bus. Those cost money. Probably one of those free shuttle services for the disabled and elderly.[/quote]

I’m talking about the Obama Express. Free ride to the polls, and then after you’ve pulled the right lever - free food. Kids like Zep would do anything for free food.

—EDIT—
Accidentally implicated Zep instead of pitt. But is there really any difference between the two?
[/quote]

Any body that has followed my posts know I am not a fan of Obama , I do how ever feel that every body that loves George and hates Bam is a racist , they could be the same person . I will also bet next President elected will follow suit , regardless of party affiliation .

I feel that so much is spent on how much worse obama is the George that no one is addressing the real problems with the Bam Admin[/quote]

That’s why I said we need to just worry about the 5 current scandals. That’s whats happening now, and we have yet to see the depths of their implications. Bringing shit up like ‘Beer Summit’ has no bearing on the targeting of individuals based on their political/ religious beliefs by an all powerful government entity such as the IRS. The fact that obama attempted damage control, the very day the story hit, admitting it happened should be scaring the shit out of people. Forget the fact that it targeted people you don’t like. It targeted people you don’t like this time. Next time, it could be you.
Collecting and storing private data? I have a slight problem with that.
For my money, it doesn’t matter if we have any more terror attacks or not. As long as things are being done that trump our freedom for the sake of perceived security, the terrorists have won. They took our liberty. Liberty includes not having your private data collected against your will.

For my money, this whole ‘modest encroachment of privacy’ to protect us is bullshit anyway. They were doing this, they had data on the Boston bombers, they knew who they were, they were warned by the Russians, they spied the shit out of them and didn’t do and damn, fucking thing about it. So, if they are collecting all this data, and they have specific information on a terrorist and they do nothing about it, pardon me if I call bullshit on the whole ‘security’ thing. When they had information on a clear threat, they did nothing about it. Which tells me, the focus is not security, it’s something else otherwise, they would have thwarted this clear and present danger.

It’s a tough sell when they failed miserably on someone they had loads of data on. If they didn’t use the data to stop a threat, then what are they really using it for? Seems to me security is an afterthought in the data collection process.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Seeing that I voted for Obama both times, I think that this post has less to do with Obama and more to do with disparaging people like me. On that note, starting off your 42-point rant (including the three extra points that you brought up later in the thread) by making an accusation of racism on my part for my voting choice is incredibly, incredibly dismissive. Incredibly. For godâ??s sake, man, while I understand and acknowledge that there are those who voted for Obama simply because he is black, you should at least acknowledge the possibility, the mere possibility that you yourself are being incredibly racist by thinking that the majority of the electorate was simply motivated by race. I donâ??t think that every person or the majority of people voted for McCain or Romney simply because they were white. Thatâ??s ridiculous and cheap. Aim higher.

Further, as far as style over substance goes, thatâ??s just as equally dismissive. Substance? By the re-election for president, Obama had 7 years of national experience under his belt. Of which, he could tout several successes, including drawing Iraq to a close, setting down a timetable for pulling out of Afghanistan, passing a comprehensive healthcare reform package, stemming the hemorrhage of job loss, and executing the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Romney had four years as Governor of Massachusetts, which, while a great feat in and of itself, was diminished by the fact that he was running against his own record as Governor. On top of that, while he touted his successes as a businessman (and he was and is a financially successful businessman), I hardly think that you can hold it against the majority of the country for wondering how success was defined, because he managed to save Bain Capital by losing a lot of jobs.

There is that a constant criticism that Obama lacks substance. But really, what are you speaking about? In what way can you demonstrate that he lacks substance? There is a constant criticism that he has â??never worked a day in his life,â?? because he has worked a long time in government or not-for-profit industries. But aside from being completely factually incorrect (he spent a number of years in private practice of law, for example), there is the stunning hypocrisy by those who make that accusation who were diehard Paul Ryan fans. Paul Ryan used funds from a social safety net program to pay for higher education, and upon graduating, spent the rest of his life working for government. I have absolutely, absolutely no problem with that. I actually admire him in that respect. But I have a problem with people who decry Obama spending SOME of his career outside the private sector while not holding Ryan, who spent ALL of his career in the public sector, to that same standard.

As far as the Bush troubles go, I think itâ??s a very, very glib assertion that pointing out that large, far-reaching problems started by Bush (such as going to war while simultaneously lowering taxes, proposing a huge Medicare expansion while failing to provide any funding mechanism for it), can be solved in a mere 2-4 years. Even greater than that is failing to acknowledge that some issues, such as our banking and financial problems, started before Bush. Although I believe that Clintonâ??s administration did a great job, he is not without criticism. Worldcom, Enron, and the repeal of Glass-Steagall occurred under his watch. I can admit that. And I do admit that. So before you just start yelling about partisan leanings, just keep that in mind.[/quote]

I don’t mind your post bud, but if you are gonna write a huge block of text in MS Word and then copy and paste it here…paste it in Notepad first, that way the punctuation is not all weird.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Seeing that I voted for Obama both times, I think that this post has less to do with Obama and more to do with disparaging people like me. On that note, starting off your 42-point rant (including the three extra points that you brought up later in the thread) by making an accusation of racism on my part for my voting choice is incredibly, incredibly dismissive. Incredibly. For godâ??s sake, man, while I understand and acknowledge that there are those who voted for Obama simply because he is black, you should at least acknowledge the possibility, the mere possibility that you yourself are being incredibly racist by thinking that the majority of the electorate was simply motivated by race. I donâ??t think that every person or the majority of people voted for McCain or Romney simply because they were white. Thatâ??s ridiculous and cheap. Aim higher.

Further, as far as style over substance goes, thatâ??s just as equally dismissive. Substance? By the re-election for president, Obama had 7 years of national experience under his belt. Of which, he could tout several successes, including drawing Iraq to a close, setting down a timetable for pulling out of Afghanistan, passing a comprehensive healthcare reform package, stemming the hemorrhage of job loss, and executing the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Romney had four years as Governor of Massachusetts, which, while a great feat in and of itself, was diminished by the fact that he was running against his own record as Governor. On top of that, while he touted his successes as a businessman (and he was and is a financially successful businessman), I hardly think that you can hold it against the majority of the country for wondering how success was defined, because he managed to save Bain Capital by losing a lot of jobs.

There is that a constant criticism that Obama lacks substance. But really, what are you speaking about? In what way can you demonstrate that he lacks substance? There is a constant criticism that he has â??never worked a day in his life,â?? because he has worked a long time in government or not-for-profit industries. But aside from being completely factually incorrect (he spent a number of years in private practice of law, for example), there is the stunning hypocrisy by those who make that accusation who were diehard Paul Ryan fans. Paul Ryan used funds from a social safety net program to pay for higher education, and upon graduating, spent the rest of his life working for government. I have absolutely, absolutely no problem with that. I actually admire him in that respect. But I have a problem with people who decry Obama spending SOME of his career outside the private sector while not holding Ryan, who spent ALL of his career in the public sector, to that same standard.

As far as the Bush troubles go, I think itâ??s a very, very glib assertion that pointing out that large, far-reaching problems started by Bush (such as going to war while simultaneously lowering taxes, proposing a huge Medicare expansion while failing to provide any funding mechanism for it), can be solved in a mere 2-4 years. Even greater than that is failing to acknowledge that some issues, such as our banking and financial problems, started before Bush. Although I believe that Clintonâ??s administration did a great job, he is not without criticism. Worldcom, Enron, and the repeal of Glass-Steagall occurred under his watch. I can admit that. And I do admit that. So before you just start yelling about partisan leanings, just keep that in mind.[/quote]

Passing a comprehensive healthcare disaster is hardly a feather in his cap. The Iraq pull out was already started by Bush. Basically, you have too many points to address to have any kind of discussion on it, as does the OP.
The recent scandals should be the focus. They may illuminate past issues differently in retrospect but it’s difficult to tackle them all.
I don’t disagree that obama has managed to do some good things, but they are vastly out weighed by the bad. And the recent scandals shows an abuse of power, such that it cannot be ignored.

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
40. Gov’t ammo purchases.[/quote]

Who gives a shit when. There’s years upon years of ammunition stockpiled. Ammunition with international sanctions on its use in combat, used to inflict pain and suffering on the battlefield rather than death. The firearm equivalent of chemical weapons…

Also, as with every gov’t action, let’s not forget the ‘fortune cookie’ ending;

…and we’re paying for it.