In politics being liked is basically the only thing that matters. In the workplace you need at least some competence to go along with being liked. In politics it seems competence is unnecessary.
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During good times Iâd agree. I think youâre going to have more people taking a closer look at policy in the next few rounds of upcoming elections.
This isnât always true. First off, the government is a workplace for millions of marginally competent and incompetent people. Even in the private sector, a well-liked person can float their way through all kinds of management roles with little to no technical competency in anything other than managing expectations and relationships. If youâre in a âgoodâ union, you can go past incompetence and become an active hindrance to the organization.
Again, only during the good times, and only if youâve got some good propagandists working for you in the media industry.
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A socialist. BwahahahaâŠ,this just goes to show the level of brainwashing youâve adopted. You need to check your definition of socialism and how you apply it to anybody.
Did Obama save the drowning public? No! But he did bailout the banks. Odd socialist. Then he was able to pass a garbage right-wing âhealthcareâ plan. Born out of the conservative think-tank The Heritage Foundation dreamed up. And the Republicans acted like children in a sandbox by trying to repeal it because they were envious they didnât pass it.
Infinite moron thinks electoral politics actually works. In order to believe that you have to deny reality. But this is where he dwells.
Direct action is a different strategy to get things done. Do not depend on the jerkoffs in the Federal Congress to help you. Vote local and do direct action. A better way! Itâs worth a try than doing the same thing over and over. A strategy idiots like, twojarslave wants you to believe accomplishes goals that truly effect the working class. Why would anyone listen to this moron.
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I went ahead and gave you a charity like on your post for effort points and because this will finally let you join the club of posters with a 20:1 post to like ratio.
The forum and society appreciate all of your efforts, or at least five percent of your efforts.
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Thatâs the view from the outside. If you are a fireman, garbage man, janitor, cop, teacher, etc., you have a view of your own self worth and if you believe you should get certain things for the services you provide, and the only way to get them is via unionization, then whatâs the problem? Itâs essentially the same thought process behind the unionization of athletes.
Until the garbage men go on strike or your child is trapped in a burning house. Mickey Mantle isnât coming to the rescue.
I would only consider unions that were open shop.
And primarily for public service jobs. Though I hate the thought of bargaining against the people they serve
The problem is they are never going to be paid the same as somebody who generates millions for a company. They are working government service jobs.
I really donât see your point. Professional teams are privately owned and can pay their employees whatever they want.
Donât really care about popularity from a propagandized group of humanoids.
Competency is important to those whoâve bought you, not the public.
Policy that is against their own best interests.
They all do. The mainstream media is a business that is in fewer and fewer hands. So the concentration of such leads to easier control, as they survive on mostly ads from major corporations. They spew propaganda for the major corporate industries. And it seems that most on here are trapped in a world of propaganda that is disseminated by the corporate media.
I donât think they are asking for millions. Itâs easier to calculate how much an athlete or actor is worth but how do you calculate what a fireman is worth? The fireman might be able to calculate what he believes is an appropriate amount for him to potentially lose his life saving someone.
Anyway, my point is that if people feel valued, they wouldnât think about unionizing.
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By posting the job opening and waiting for applicants. If you canât get competent applicants, pay and/or benefits likely need to be increased. If people start leaving the position, you may also need to look at the pay and/or benefits. If you can fill your openings with competent people, the pay is fine.
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This was W Edwards Deming pay suggestion. Pay your employees enough to keep them from leaving. I taught some Deming principles at my workplace. The union people hated to hear me say that.
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Yep, this is how it is done. You look at the job market and keep the salary competitive. The good ones you can pay a bit extra if they want. Everyone else should sit down and negotiate. I am a worker.
Next Wednesday I have a meeting with my boss. I will get a pay rise, but I have prepared for a position and a pay rise. Working on an 1 year plan that is a managers job and created an ally with a guy from another department with which our department is connected for a good workflow. I will sit down on the meeting and present value for my boss and explain why I deserve more. I will recommend the other guy that he has helped in creating this plan and that we can make a good team. The other guy will do the same in a meeting.
If you want more you have to give more.
And maybe being unionized is also an incentive.
I wonder who pays the police budget
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Yes like when they are being bribed by the NRA. Which happens frequently.
Democracy coupled with propaganda from the mainstream media serves the interest of the elites.
How would you ensure that no one has gotten any information or misinformation from anyone?
Maybe impossible to âensureâ but not listening to the sectors of the media who are owned by corporations and derive mucho bucks from advertising by the evil industries. âHealthcareâ would be one industry. Those who have a financial interest in getting you to believe their lies.