Electoral Politics: A Losing Game

Government has nothing to do with my success. If anything, they have been an obstacle.

I should not be forced to pay for retirement in a government fund that has absolute SHIT returns and that I will probably never see a dime of. I could take all I pay into social security in a low interest savings account and have 3-5X the amount of money I would ever see paid back to me.

Income tax is an entirely different matter and one we are not discussing here. I specifically mentioned medicare and social security. Again, I should be able to opt out of those particular programs, but we can’t because they are the world’s largest ponzi schemes and they are bankrupt.

Yet, people want to give government more money and power over their money which is absolute idiocy.

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Exactly. That’s why costs “shouldn’t” ideally have any bearing on what are to be considered fundamental, “natural”, “God given” human rights, except that we often have to take costs into consideration

If the argument is about cost then that argument will not last.

If the argument is about which rights are more fundamental, natural, God given, etc
 then the arguments will be messy, but I would tend to agree more with the conservatives. It’s only a tendency because it depends on what’s specifically said

It’s like that old thing about everyone being equal, but some people are more equal than others. From a purely logical perspective an equation means equal, means changing one side of the equation must match an equal change in the other side, otherwise it’s no longer equal, even if it once was


Whatever are to be considered fundamental, “natural”, “God given” human rights ought to be able to change over the centuries

If health care is not to be yet considered a fundamental, “natural”, “God given” human right, I would still like to think that it could someday even if it’s centuries away

It’s not hard to imagine a situation where refusing someone healthcare would be morally “wrong”. In those cases one might say they had a “right” which had been violated.
And whether the laws, habits, customs of that particular setting reflect those moral rights and wrongs are another matter.

Can you guarantee you’d have had success if we were all speaking German?

Has the US government been more of an obstacle than Nazi’s or communists would have been?

The helpfulness of a phrase like “Thanks to the government” is limited in scope usually, unless you’re in an environment where people actually argue it
 You can’t disprove it
 Except


“The government” is not a real thing to be able to thank. It’s a bunch of people, some of which do and some of which don’t deserve thanks - but that’s arguing his point a bit too literally

He’s not a troll for anyone to be feeding. He gives bait, if you eat enough of it
 you become the troll that he feeds


I saw your question as an absurd extreme which was easy to answer without resorting to extremes

The rest is just excess energy bouncing back and forth between us until absorbed. I’ll take it if you are sure you don’t want it

If there were no government, how would you have anything other than a cave or a hut, worrying about getting eaten by cannibals?

You could change the government to a government. People come together, make laws, put systems in place to enforce those laws. Has there ever been an advanced society that lacked some form of government?

None come to mind immediately

And your source?

Admittedly, I only heard a quotation of this but here is a Harvard study showing 45 million die w/o health insurance. You know where they have zero deaths because of lack of health insurance? Countries where they have single-payer.

And when a person has to wait to go to an emergency room for treatment, the ailment they suffer from is much worse than if they had insurance and could go to a doctor in the early onset of sickness. All this does is cost the system more. Wow, how efficient.

Harvard study New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage – Harvard Gazette

Single-payer is free at the point of service. And still costs far less than the trash we have in this country who’s main goal is profits over all.

Then why do all those other countries who have some form of single-payer pay far less?

Medicare is far more efficient than the private sector Their admin. costs alone are far less expensive.

The Federal governments budget DOES NOT work like a personal.

And how many times have we been warned by ignorant people about the debt? And what happens? Nothing. In the early 90’s the debt was about 3 trillion. Now it is 10x as much and guess what? Nothing again. All that money is the total sum of the money spent into the economy by the federal government that hasn’t been taxed back. Did that money just disappear?

And this is not true of the U.S.? Whose “health” insurance costs go up more?

Just tax foundation.org

Anyone who knows anything about taxes knows your claim was bogus bullshit.

Yes, there will be no consequences of running unchecked federal debt. We can do it forever.

Brilliant economical mind here.

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Recent history seems to justify Modern Monetary Theory of “printing” money.

But what if


the Chinese Yaun replaces the Dollar as the “international” currency?

With our debt the value of the Dollar could drop drastically.

I mean running unchecked debt and printing money has never turned out poorly


Oh wait, it has EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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I could also argue that almost every human death is linked to breathing oxygen, but that doesn’t make it the cause of death.

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100% of people who consume water die.

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DiHydrogen Monoxide sure is a bitch. Gets the best of us.

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