[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Arnold will win in California.
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Well duh. With the American public being what it is, just about any celebrity that shows up for a vote wins it.
Sonny Bono, Jesse Ventura, Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwartsomethingegger. And even that clod from “Bedtime for Bonzo” what’s his face? Oh yeah, Ronald Raygun.
I predict another giant mess, with key Republicans pulling off “miracle” come from behind finishes that defy logic.
Bush faces calamity as swing voters flock to the Democrats
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1927120.ece
Bush Is Said to Have No Plan if GOP Loses
Some Republican strategists are increasingly upset with what they consider the overconfidence of President Bush and his senior advisers about the midterm elections November 7
“They aren’t even planning for if they lose,” says a GOP insider who informally counsels the West Wing.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/061013/13bush.htm
FOX News: Princeton / Diebold Vote-Reversal Story
First Bush Appointed Chair of US Election Assistance Commission Says ‘No Standards’ for E-Voting Devices, System ‘Ripe for Stealing Elections’
“We know more today about how to build a machine to take pictures of rocks on Mars than we know about how to build a machine to safeguard the American right to vote”
Diebold Added Secret Patch to Georgia E-Voting Systems in 2002
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/093006G.shtml
Diebold Quietly Repaired Voting Machines
Reports: Diebold Repaired Thousands [4,700] of Voting Machines Without Telling Md. Officials
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2609065
Touch-Screen Vote Hopping
So far, the reports have all involved Democratic (or Green) votes flipping to, or otherwise benefitting, Republican candidates. In South Florida, St. Louis County, Missouri, Virginia, Arkansas, Dallas, and now San Antonio, Texas…
Glitches cited in early voting
Miami Herald
He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist…
Joan Marek, 60, a Democrat from Hollywood, was also stunned to see Charlie Crist on her ballot review page after voting on Thursday. “Am I on the voting screen again?” she wondered. “Well, this is too weird.”…
Mauricio Raponi wanted to vote for Democrats across the board at the Lemon City Library in Miami on Thursday. But each time he hit the button next to the candidate, the Republican choice showed up…
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/15869924.htm
Jefferson County Voters Continue To Raise Concerns About Voting Machines
October 28,2006
Friday night, KFDM reported about people who had cast straight Democratic ticket ballots, but the touch-screen machines indicated they had voted a straight Republican ticket…
Saturday, KFDM spoke to another voter who says it’s not just happening with straight ticket voting, he says it’s happening on individual races as well, Jerry Stopher told us when he voted for a Democrat, the Republican’s name was highlighted. Stopher said, “There’s something in these machines, in this equipment, that’s showing Republican votes when you vote for Democrats”…
http://www.kfdm.com/engine.pl?station=kfdm&id=17343&template=breakout_dayportvideo.shtml&dateformat=%25M+%25e,%25Y
Twelve Arrested In Orange County Voter Fraud Scheme
a dozen people accused of switching registered Democrats to Republicans
http://www.nbc4.tv/print/10190012/detail.html
Voter registrations faked in GOP drive
At least five apparently bogus voter registration forms were submitted to the Metro Nashville election commission by a worker with ties to the Republican National Committee, and up to 150 other registrations have been called into question, The Tennessean has learned.
Maybe the GOP fraud and the Democratic fraud, will balance each other out.
If the Repubs do hold on the house, it’s not going to be some huge surpise, some polls are showing a sizeable swing back towards the GOP. We shall see.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Maybe the GOP fraud and the Democratic fraud, will balance each other out.
If the Repubs do hold on the house, it’s not going to be some huge surpise, some polls are showing a sizeable swing back towards the GOP. We shall see.[/quote]
Of course some polls HAVE TO swing back to the GOP or any stolen elections would look way too obvious – like the GOP polls in the 04 election…
Pollster Pleads Guilty to Making Up Results
BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (Sept. 7) - The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results…
FBI Special Agent Jeff Rovelli said 50 percent of information compiled by DataUSA and transmitted to Bush’s campaign was falsified, the Connecticut Post reported Thursday.
Gosh Sloth, don’t you know the pollsters are in on it too? Sheesh… In fact, everyone except for JTF and JLesk is on on the conspiracy… But SHHHHHH!!! Don’t tell.
What exactly does that company have to with polls today, unrelated to that company? Pew, Gallup, Washington Post?
By the way, the story indicates the company was guilty of committing fraud on their clients, the actual campaigns.
How is that a plus for republicans? If the company is feeding campaigns false information about their standings, that’s fraud against the client, who is paying them for an accurate view of his/her standing.
In fact, if there was a conspiracy, it’d be democrats paying DataUsa off to feed the Bush campaign false results, painting a more optimistic outlook. Which could lead to misappropriating funds and time in a campaign. No, I don’t think that happened. It looks like the company was faking results to meet deadlines.
Again, from more detailed articles, it appears your reading is wrong. The company committed fraud on their clients.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I’m predicting that it doesn’t matter who wins.[/quote]
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What exactly does that company have to with polls today, unrelated to that company? Pew, Gallup, Washington Post?[/quote]
Just suggesting that the sudden GOP surge might be more made up stuff.
Republicans make last-minute push
Citing an ABC-Washington Post poll that showed the Democratic lead narrowing to as little as six percentage points from a double-digit margin last week, Republican strategists said their volunteers had made direct contact with 27m American voters during the election campaign - far more than the Democrats…
“We have made more voter contacts in 2006 than we did in 2004, which is remarkable given that this is a mid-term election, not a presidential election,” said Dana Perino, a White House spokesperson…
“No party in American history has ever come back from this kind of polling deficit to win an election,” said Charlie Cook, publisher of the Cook Political Report, Washington’s most closely read daily electoral analysis. “The Democrats are still on course to win the House of Representatives by a healthy margin.”
“We have made more voter contacts in 2006 than we did in 2004” – somehow that sounds COMPLETELY unbelievable.
They’ve been talking about Santorum suddenly closing the gap against Casey here in PA. If Santorum were to somehow keep his seat there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that the vote was rigged.
We’ll see.
I am predicting it does matter who wins, especially if the Senate were to change hands. Should there be a Supreme Court vacanacy in the very near term, that would mean a fairly large difference.
Robert Novak, usually the voice of doom and gloom on the Republican side, has these net predictions:
http://www.humanevents.com/evansnovak.php?id=17896
Democrats are set to gain 19 House seats, two Senate seats, and five governorships in tomorrow’s elections. It is a sign of Republicans’ sorry state that, at this point, this is actually a very favorable outlook for them.
And note this on the late-breaking GOP increase in the polls:
[i]Late GOP Shift: Is there any truth to the late shift toward the Republicans that is being reported in the news and played out in some public polls? There are ways of knowing this.
First, there is a small hint buried in the discrepancies in responses between “registered” and “likely” voters in the public polls. For months, many polls have shown Democrats doing better among the carefully screened sample of “likely” voters than among the great unwashed mass of “registered” voters. Historically, it has been the opposite: Republicans have performed better when the likely non-voters are excluded. Polls are now reflecting a return to that historical normalcy – Republicans perform better among “likely” voters.
This is a small but noteworthy sign that the GOP base is coming home and will vote rather than sit it out. If Republicans were to lose their historic advantage of their registered voters’ turning out more reliably than those of Democrats, they would likely suffer a disastrous loss of more than 30 seats. They seem to have avoided the tsunami that everyone had been talking about.
Also significant is the GOP’s late surge in the national generic ballot. We put almost no faith in the generic ballot’s margin as an indicator of how the election will go. Recall that Republicans actually trailed by five points in the final Washington Post generic ballot in 1994. But trends in the generic ballot usually mean something. After favoring Democrats heavily for months, often by double digits, three generic ballot tests show Republicans closing the gap.[/i]
[quote]100meters wrote:
I’ll predict:
Casey beats Santorum
Brown over Dewine
Nelson over Harris (of course!)
Tester over Burns
Cardin over Steele
Menendez over Keane
Kyl over Pederson
Lieberman over Lamont
Whitehouse over Chafee
Corker over Ford
Talent over McCaskill
Praying to Zeus for:
Webb over Allen
25 house seats picked up for Dems
5 senate seats for Dems
Predictions subject to change as soon as OBL video released.[/quote]
And Zeus comes in FTW !!!
I was wrong.
The Democrats punked the Republicans in nationwide governor elections, the House, and are poised to take the Senate even after recounts in Montana and Virginia are complete.
All I hear are crickets from the right wingnuttery and the left wingnuttery will crank it up starting today.
The GOP was absolutely crushed.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
I was wrong.
The Democrats punked the Republicans in nationwide governor elections, the House, and are poised to take the Senate even after recounts in Montana and Virginia are complete.
All I hear are crickets from the right wingnuttery and the left wingnuttery will crank it up starting today.
The GOP was absolutely crushed.[/quote]
They were crushed.
But historically it wasn’t too bad if you take into account the “6th Year Itch” theory. In 1938, 1958, 1966 and 1974, each the mid-term for a two-term president, the average loss for the president’s party was 53 House seats and seven Senate seats. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan’s “itch” election, his Republicans managed to lose six House seats as well as the Senate, even though his own approval rating was a remarkable 63 percent.
Hopefully this refocuses the Republicans on conservatism – and has torpedoed “compassionate conservatism”, aka big-government conservatism.
The small bright side, politically speaking – it will give the Republican Presidential nominee in 2008 something to run against – particularly if the nominee is an outside-the-beltway type like Mitt Romney.
Also, I want to find out what the turnout was – I’m thinking it was low nationally, which means the base stayed home because it was disgusted with the Republicans, or otherwise unmotivated by their lackluster performance both in office and on the campaign trail.
From looking around, it seemed like the polls in NoVa were packed in the morning when the motivated voters were there, but empty at the end of the day.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
I was wrong.
The Democrats punked the Republicans in nationwide governor elections, the House, and are poised to take the Senate even after recounts in Montana and Virginia are complete.
All I hear are crickets from the right wingnuttery and the left wingnuttery will crank it up starting today.
The GOP was absolutely crushed.
They were crushed.
But historically it wasn’t too bad if you take into account the “6th Year Itch” theory. In 1938, 1958, 1966 and 1974, each the mid-term for a two-term president, the average loss for the president’s party was 53 House seats and seven Senate seats. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan’s “itch” election, his Republicans managed to lose six House seats as well as the Senate, even though his own approval rating was a remarkable 63 percent.
Hopefully this refocuses the Republicans on conservatism – and has torpedoed “compassionate conservatism”, aka big-government conservatism.
The small bright side, politically speaking – it will give the Republican Presidential nominee in 2008 something to run against – particularly if the nominee is an outside-the-beltway type like Mitt Romney.[/quote]
BB, so far you are the only one on the republican side on this board that hasn’t pissed and moaned about the loss and hasn’t predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the future. Thank you for being one of the few that realizes that change is just part of life and that you have to adjust, adapt and overcome. All this election has done is shift the balance again. It will shift again in a few years when the democrats screw up.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
BB, so far you are the only one on the republican side on this board that hasn’t pissed and moaned about the loss and hasn’t predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the future. Thank you for being one of the few that realizes that change is just part of life and that you have to adjust, adapt and overcome. All this election has done is shift the balance again. It will shift again in a few years when the democrats screw up. [/quote]
This is true. Even in 2008, they will be out if they don’t do some good things or at least show some promise and propose some initiatives that the country likes.
Some of the loose screws on the far right wing are saying Rick Santorum’s defeat was good, because now he’s available to sit on the Supreme Court.
Hahahahahahah!!!
Talk about deluded…
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
BB, so far you are the only one on the republican side on this board that hasn’t pissed and moaned about the loss and hasn’t predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the future. Thank you for being one of the few that realizes that change is just part of life and that you have to adjust, adapt and overcome. All this election has done is shift the balance again. It will shift again in a few years when the democrats screw up. [/quote]
Yeah BB always has something intelligent to offer, even if I don’t agree. He’s not typing regurgitated drivel, like some of the dumber right wingers here.
Well guys, I guess The Democrats Would Be Worse is not a winning political platform. Take note.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
BB, so far you are the only one on the republican side on this board that hasn’t pissed and moaned about the loss and hasn’t predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the future. Thank you for being one of the few that realizes that change is just part of life and that you have to adjust, adapt and overcome. All this election has done is shift the balance again. It will shift again in a few years when the democrats screw up. [/quote]
Thanks AL.
And I think you’re correct in that shifts in the balance happen inevitably.
I’ll be interested in seeing how the addition of more conservative Democrats affects the party – they really didn’t put forth a platform for the election, and a lot of the seats that they added were socially conservative / strong defense Democrats in Red areas like Southern Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and NC – and even those two pickups in TX and FL that they will keep for two years until the GOP puts real candidates on the ballot.
How they handle that will, in my opinion, tell a lot as to whether this is a blip or a run. Side digression: Dems ran the House for 40 year before – Republicans just had it for 12 – does anyone predict that long of a run until another change in control? I think it’s just too close for that these days, and there hasn’t really been a sea change of attitude – interesting to see how population shifts will affect things though.
I would predict we’ll see some more populist legislation – hopefully not too much protectionism on the economic front, but we’ll see. Definitely a minimum wage hike – and they may try to index it to inflation.