Ebola

More cases than that facepalm

[quote]4963 (probable, confirmed and suspected; see Annex 1) cases and 2453 deaths have been reported in the current outbreak of Ebola virus disease as of 13 Sep 2014 by the Ministries of Health of Guinea and Sierra Leone, and as of 9 Sep 2014 by the Ministry of Health of Liberia… - more

[This is an increase of 597 cases and 235 deaths in the 6 days since the previous update. They are struggling to find hospital space for an average of 100 new cases a day, with only 40 being vacated daily by death and a smaller number by recovered cases. - Mod.JW
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This report is from 3 days ago

It’s getting out of control. I didnt expect this at all–quite farnkly I thought the international response was going to be infinitely better and faster than it was, on the order of past outbreaks. Unfortunately this found the cities before people got their heads out of their asses. Ethiopia is on high alert already (good for them). When I was flying back last week they had workers in boots, covers, masks, and glasses/face shields taking temperatures of all disembarked passengers.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
More cases than that facepalm

[quote]4963 (probable, confirmed and suspected; see Annex 1) cases and 2453 deaths have been reported in the current outbreak of Ebola virus disease as of 13 Sep 2014 by the Ministries of Health of Guinea and Sierra Leone, and as of 9 Sep 2014 by the Ministry of Health of Liberia… - more

[This is an increase of 597 cases and 235 deaths in the 6 days since the previous update. They are struggling to find hospital space for an average of 100 new cases a day, with only 40 being vacated daily by death and a smaller number by recovered cases. - Mod.JW
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This report is from 3 days ago[/quote]

Yup.

The number has about doubled every month since june. Not sure why they never noticed the trend was exponential til now.

Here are various catastrophic future estimates : Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
More cases than that facepalm

[quote]4963 (probable, confirmed and suspected; see Annex 1) cases and 2453 deaths have been reported in the current outbreak of Ebola virus disease as of 13 Sep 2014 by the Ministries of Health of Guinea and Sierra Leone, and as of 9 Sep 2014 by the Ministry of Health of Liberia… - more

[This is an increase of 597 cases and 235 deaths in the 6 days since the previous update. They are struggling to find hospital space for an average of 100 new cases a day, with only 40 being vacated daily by death and a smaller number by recovered cases. - Mod.JW
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This report is from 3 days ago[/quote]

Yup.

The number has about doubled every month since june. Not sure why they never noticed the trend was exponential til now.

Here are various catastrophic future estimates : Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

It still pales in comparison to the Spanish flu of 1918.

Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/

Yeah, that guy was supposedly around for 2 days before he was quarantined.

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/[/quote]

yeah, the diagnosis was confirmed today

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/[/quote]

yeah, the diagnosis was confirmed today[/quote]

It’s now up to 2 confirmed in Dallas, centered among the Liberian population so far.

Don’t take any cabs I guess.

The fact we have not cut off all immigration/visas from anyone from there or anyone who has been to that area of Africa 60 days before trying to come to the USA is political correctness that will result in mass death.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/[/quote]

yeah, the diagnosis was confirmed today[/quote]

It’s now up to 2 confirmed in Dallas, centered among the Liberian population so far.

Don’t take any cabs I guess.

The fact we have not cut off all immigration/visas from anyone from there or anyone who has been to that area of Africa 60 days before trying to come to the USA is political correctness that will result in mass death.[/quote]

I don’t think we will have mass death here. Our healthcare system is robust, well funded, well informed, and everywhere. Also the CDC is on it right now. The problem with visas is unfortunately a bureaucratic one–if you cut visas off, you also cut off the ability to give aid. Aid workers can’t come back from there, can’t go there because airlines won’t fly there then, and that is the opposite of what we need.

As long as the outbreak is alive there, the risk of transmission is present. I do agree with the idea of not allowing anybody who is a native of the region to disembark, but that’s about it. A blanket prohibition won’t help the larger root problem.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/[/quote]

yeah, the diagnosis was confirmed today[/quote]

It’s now up to 2 confirmed in Dallas, centered among the Liberian population so far.

Don’t take any cabs I guess.

The fact we have not cut off all immigration/visas from anyone from there or anyone who has been to that area of Africa 60 days before trying to come to the USA is political correctness that will result in mass death.[/quote]

I don’t think we will have mass death here. Our healthcare system is robust, well funded, well informed, and everywhere. Also the CDC is on it right now.[/quote]

This. Nigeria seems to have managed to contain ebola in Lagos. So a first world country with easily available health care so be able to control it no problem.

This type of disease is sort of an argument for universal free-at-point-of-access healthcare. It is no one’s interest that an ebola patient should be reluctant to go to a hospital for fear of the cost…

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Honestly I’m shocked that this isn’t more of a concern to people…
In other news, this fucking virus may have reared its ugly head in Texas
http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/09/29/dallas-hospital-isolates-possible-ebola-patient/16461533/[/quote]

yeah, the diagnosis was confirmed today[/quote]

It’s now up to 2 confirmed in Dallas, centered among the Liberian population so far.

Don’t take any cabs I guess.

The fact we have not cut off all immigration/visas from anyone from there or anyone who has been to that area of Africa 60 days before trying to come to the USA is political correctness that will result in mass death.[/quote]

I don’t think we will have mass death here. Our healthcare system is robust, well funded, well informed, and everywhere. Also the CDC is on it right now. The problem with visas is unfortunately a bureaucratic one–if you cut visas off, you also cut off the ability to give aid. Aid workers can’t come back from there, can’t go there because airlines won’t fly there then, and that is the opposite of what we need. As long as the outbreak is alive there, the risk of transmission is present. I do agree with the idea of not allowing anybody who is a native of the region to disembark, but that’s about it. A blanket prohibition won’t help the larger root problem.[/quote]

It seems rational that one country or region without a real health system might get ravaged by an infectious disease, while another developed and robust system might see much better outcomes. Just being poor makes you much more vulnerable to a whole host of things, like cholera and malaria, for example.

CDC director seems a little incompetent
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/352191.php

http://www.trust.org/item/20141001223255-py9x8/

http://www.trust.org/item/20141001191454-5gqnf/?source=leadCarousel

and this doesn’t seem good…

From 18 to 80, the number keeps getting bigger…

[quote]EvenIfItsSushi wrote:
Nigeria seems to have managed to contain ebola in Lagos. So a first world country with easily available health care so be able to control it no problem.
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And how did Nigeria do it? By closing the border and shooting people who tried to break the quarantine.

You mean like the free ER Patient Zero went to in Dallas? After he came to the USA to get free health care?

Copy of an interview in Science magazine. Highly recommend those of you who don’t have a subscription to get one. Peer reviewed research and a wide survey of subjects.


By Leslie Roberts 10 September 2014 2:00 am 14 Comments
Bruce Aylward is used to mobilizing armies of health workers. An assistant director-general at the World Health Organization (WHO) in charge of polio and emergencies, he leads the massive global effort to eradicate the poliovirus. But Aylward says he has never encountered a challenge as great as the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, which has infected more than 4000 people and killed more than 2000. Margaret Chan, who heads WHO, asked Aylward to help with the response in August; since then, he has been running operations and helped draw up WHO?s Ebola Response Roadmap, released on 28 August. He spoke with Science on 4 September. (This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.)

Q: Margaret Chan has said that all organizations involved in the outbreak, including WHO, underestimated its complexity and magnitude. How did this happen?

A: I didn’t live through it all, but as I’ve gone back and asked what was happening, clearly these guys [in the response effort] have been flat-out on this for 6 months. And they?ve put 450 people in the field. Those are unheard-of numbers in responding to Ebola. But the virus got ahead of them.

Could the response have been scaled up faster? Maybe they were off by 2 weeks at one point here or there. As Margaret says, you’re always a couple of weeks behind this virus, and there are so many reasons why. It’s a dangerous pathogen. Foreign medical teams and NGOs [nongovernmental organizations] are used to dealing with trauma and primary health care; they’re not trained to deal with pathogens.

Q: I?ve heard there are tensions between WHO and Doctors Without Borders (MSF), the organization that has treated more patients than any other. They have criticized WHO for being too slow and doing too little.

A: Probably at local levels there’s some tension in some places, but certainly not here, in Geneva at senior levels. There’s a great respect for the organization. MSF is great at two things: They’re fantastic at their field operations and at telling the rest of us how bad we are at them. Sure, people are going to go out and say, ?Oh, that’s unfair.? You have to have a tough skin. You’re in the World Health Organization; you?re dealing with a major international threat, and our job is to be accountable. And if MSF feels that this is public accountability, it’s their right.

Q: Why is stopping this outbreak so hard compared with controlling polio?

A: The polio program is really tough because of the level of programmatic perfection you need. You have to get to every single kid with vaccine over a huge geography and in very challenging environments. But even if you don?t, you still have a level of control over the virus. Now, when I look at Ebola, you need a whole other level of perfection.

You have to do perfect contact tracing, because one contact can blow open a whole new chain of transmission. You have to get your burials perfectly safe. You have to get your laboratory testing right. There isn’t a lot of capacity in the world on that. You have to get your social messages right. You have to be perfectly safe and protect health care workers. And you have to do all this in incredibly weak environments, in three countries that are near the bottom of the development index, and also deal with the embers that land in Nigeria or in Senegal. Wow, that is really tough.

Q: Do you think it?s still possible to contain the outbreak with the standard procedures?isolating patients, tracing contacts, burying the dead safely?

A: Absolutely. But with an important difference. What?s happened is you?ve got a caseload that far exceeds the capacity of the standard Ebola strategies to manage them, so you have to innovate on these strategies. Each infected person is having a heap of contacts because they?re basically being left in their communities for long periods of time. What you?ve got to do is first of all cut down the outward spread from every patient, which means you?ve got to get many new Ebola treatment centers up. And you?ve got to adapt your strategies in a way that communities can play a much bigger role and help them scale up their own Ebola community care units. This is absolutely critical and must be done in September.

Will it be done? Well, that?s going to depend on whether the international community will put the money on the table, help the people get in, and understand the conditions they need to operate.

Q: WHO’s Ebola road map calls for the epidemic to be ended in 6 to 9 months. Isn’t that overly optimistic?

A: I don?t know, because no one?s ever had to do something on this scale before. What I do know is if this road map is not implemented, you?re not going to stop it in 6 to 9 months. In 1 month you need at least 10 new facilities operational with additional bed capacity and teams on the ground, and money so that people doing this stuff are getting paid, and a way to evacuate the responders that get into medical trouble there. You have to start implementing the road map today.

But the usual relief organizations aren’t lining up to do it. These aren?t bad people and these aren?t cowards. These are people who go into the most dangerous operating environments?wars and natural disasters. But they don?t normally deal with hazardous pathogens.

Q: So you need more people and you need more money, but it’s simply not coming?

A: Not yet, but I?m optimistic. I think it?s taking the world time to grapple with this. It is so new, and it plays to people?s deepest fears and their greatest uncertainties. People will learn MSF is going to stay on the ground there. And then one or two NGOs are going to go in and run a facility, and they?re going to do fine. And then it?s going to escalate. The world doesn?t want to be beaten by a pathogen. But the question is: Are they going to do it fast enough?

Q: So who are the players that you hope will come to build and run treatment centers?

A: A lot of foreign medical teams are linked to governments, and some affected countries have deep relationships: the U.S. with Liberia; the U.K. with Sierra Leone; France with Guinea. Now those countries are very keen to look at what they can do and how to do it, but they are having trouble mobilizing. They might be able to put up a field hospital, but can they staff it? Because a field hospital that?s not staffed is just one more building, that?s not an Ebola treatment center.

Q: Two vaccine candidates are soon going to be tested in phase I studies and may be deployed later this year. How important do you think they and candidate drugs will be for ending the epidemic?

A: You want to have as many tools as possible to help drive down that reproductive number to where you can manage it with traditional strategies. You want to do both things in parallel and go flat-out. The vaccines and new therapies would be hugely helpful?they would help get responders in and keep the responders that are there healthy. That may give us an edge to shut this thing down more quickly. But if we say we need these drugs and vaccines, then you?re setting yourself up for defeat because you might not get them. And then you also have the risk of people saying: “There?s going to be a vaccine or med, let?s wait,” and then an awful lot of people are going to die. I?m not going to sit around twiddling my thumbs waiting to find out, and neither is my organization

[quote]dcb wrote:
From 18 to 80, the number keeps getting bigger…

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Not as much to worry about actually. Only 18 had direct contact and were quarantined. If the 18 weren’t sick when they were quarantined (i.e. during the virus’s incubation) there’s no transmission to the other 62 people. The numbers inflate the danger in the public’s eye because we have an active media/entertainment complex here that is always digging for things.

The flip side of that is that we also have much MUCH better contact tracing than any other country, and so where in say Liberia they might only get to the 18 people–which would be all you hear from the news–they would miss the other 62. If they don’t find them, they don’t report them.

Research article on genomic sequencing of the Ebola strains. Disturbing conclusions to be drawn

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6202/1369.full

Why isn’t there a travel ban on incoming flights from West Africa or anyone who spent time there ?

Seriously, do you really want to fuck around with something like this ?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why isn’t there a travel ban on incoming flights from West Africa or anyone who spent time there ?

Seriously, do you really want to fuck around with something like this ?[/quote]

Ask yourself: if Ebola came from, say, France, do you think Obama would close the borders to Frenchmen? Of course he would.

It’s PC run amok.