Maybe, just maybe your results come DESPITE what you do rather than as a result.
I’m not saying shit about frequency now. I’m talking about protein absorption. I asked where you got that information, scientific papers, you know hard evidence. BECUZ I said! Doesn’t work in the real world, sorry.
And I’m not suggesting you eat all your protein in one bout or some other ridiculous shit, because it’d be painfully hard and no one does that in real life anyway.
Like I just MENTIONED, I have tried larger, less frequent meals and found the results to be less than desirable. That is how I came to the conclusion that this method does not work well for me. Maybe from now on I’ll just eat two meals with 200 grams of protein at each meal and see how that works? No thanks. But you can show me how it works for you if you don’t mind…
[quote]jb99 wrote:
Like I just MENTIONED, I have tried larger, less frequent meals and found the results to be less than desirable. That is how I came to the conclusion that this method does not work well for me. Maybe from now on I’ll just eat two meals with 200 grams of protein at each meal and see how that works? No thanks. But you can show me how it works for you if you don’t mind…[/quote]
I’m not playing a game based on anecdotes. I don’t even know what “less than desirable” means, and I doubt anyone else does for that matter. That’s not how this works, you say something you have to prove it with hard data this is true for anything in the world.
Think about what you are saying. Why on earth would any aminos go to waste-- this makes little no evolutionary sense. Why would your body say “well, I guess I could digest this pretzel but not all of this protein”? It is just bottlenecked because you ate more, and takes longer to digest.
Listen I don’t need you to tell me how “things work” ok? I’m going to continue doing what I do and I think you have made it pretty obvious that you are very proud of your physique…
jb99 = troll or retard. not quite sure which.
[quote]danchubb wrote:
jb99 = troll or retard. not quite sure which. [/quote]
have you checked the guys profile? Unless he’s lying, he’s got a pretty good idea on training/eating right it appears
[quote]danchubb wrote:
jb99 = troll or retard. not quite sure which. [/quote]
I’m thinkin more “juiced up Bro-tard” than troll. A real troll would’ve given up by now (see also: Headhunter)
Ahh of course, because I have made more progress than you I have somehow become a troll huh? Whatever makes you feel better about your lack of progress. And JMoUFC I appreciate your comment as well and would love to see your physique. Or are you just another know it all who can’t apply anything he preaches?
[quote]hexx wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Like I just MENTIONED, I have tried larger, less frequent meals and found the results to be less than desirable. That is how I came to the conclusion that this method does not work well for me. Maybe from now on I’ll just eat two meals with 200 grams of protein at each meal and see how that works? No thanks. But you can show me how it works for you if you don’t mind…
I’m not playing a game based on anecdotes. I don’t even know what “less than desirable” means, and I doubt anyone else does for that matter. That’s not how this works, you say something you have to prove it with hard data this is true for anything in the world.
Think about what you are saying. Why on earth would any aminos go to waste-- this makes little no evolutionary sense. Why would your body say “well, I guess I could digest this pretzel but not all of this protein”? It is just bottlenecked because you ate more, and takes longer to digest. [/quote]
By in large you are correct hexx. jb99 is not really beaing a troll though… he just needs help. albeit frustrating, let’s try to help him out. smaller more frequent meals do have one undeniable purpose for bodybuilders, which is that they help with impaired digestion, which is not that uncommon of a problem. Digestibility is not a simple function of what your body chooses to do with something. Necesseary enzymes have to be there to break things down. Haven’t some of you crapped out whole kernals of corn, or seen chunks of your salsa or lettuce in the toilet? Also, not uncommon is fat/oil in the feces as evident by a layer on top of the toilet water…
So, it’s not quite as simple as saying “from an evolutionary standpoint it makes no sense” (paraphrasing), but by in large hexx, you are correct.
what you morons cannot seem to grasp is that nobody is saying what you’re doing is “wrong” or that you won’t make any gains eating more frequently, only that it offers no distinct advantage over eating the same amount of food slightly less frequently.
Some of us like to lead normal lives and don’t want to carry around tupperware filled with chicken breast and brown rice to the movie theater so we don’t miss our 8th “feeding” of the day.
If you want to eat more frequently, great, just remember that eating 6-8 meals per day isn’t a PREREQUISITE to having an impressive physique.
[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
what you morons cannot seem to grasp is that nobody is saying what you’re doing is “wrong” or that you won’t make any gains eating more frequently, only that it offers no distinct advantage over eating the same amount of food slightly less frequently.
Some of us like to lead normal lives and don’t want to carry around tupperware filled with chicken breast and brown rice to the movie theater so we don’t miss our 8th “feeding” of the day.
If you want to eat more frequently, great, just remember that eating 6-8 meals per day isn’t a PREREQUISITE to having an impressive physique.[/quote]
All I hear are excuses and rationalizations on why you haven’t attained a great physique. I never said it was a prerequisite only what worked for ME.
nutrient timing is a key in body building. spacing meals of 4000 calories over 6 meals is way more productive for recovery and body comp than spacing those calories over 2 meals. there is plenty of literature and data supporting that. just go find it. yeah if you have a hectic schedule it’s tough to get in 6-8 meals, but it’s not supposed to be easy to eat clean 6 times a day. i really boils down to how dedicated you are. i guess you can rationalize and side with the 2 meals a day crowd. hope you have the physique to back it up.
[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Ther eare studies showing that frequent meals are beneficial for body comp, blood profile, etc.
Yet, JMof- will come on posting about the superiority of 3 meals, yet he will say that 4 meals is good too.
I’ve never actually seen any showing improvements in body comp, do you have them on hand?
Layne Norton has been endorsing 3 meals + shake for a long time.
I think the biggest benefit psychologically is the one that you mentioned- it’s a lot easier to fit 4000+ cals in over 6 or 7 meals rather than 3 or 4.[/quote]
I have read a considerable amount of Layne’s material and never came across that.
Link?
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
hexx wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Like I just MENTIONED, I have tried larger, less frequent meals and found the results to be less than desirable. That is how I came to the conclusion that this method does not work well for me. Maybe from now on I’ll just eat two meals with 200 grams of protein at each meal and see how that works? No thanks. But you can show me how it works for you if you don’t mind…
I’m not playing a game based on anecdotes. I don’t even know what “less than desirable” means, and I doubt anyone else does for that matter. That’s not how this works, you say something you have to prove it with hard data this is true for anything in the world.
Think about what you are saying. Why on earth would any aminos go to waste-- this makes little no evolutionary sense. Why would your body say “well, I guess I could digest this pretzel but not all of this protein”? It is just bottlenecked because you ate more, and takes longer to digest.
By in large you are correct hexx. jb99 is not really beaing a troll though… he just needs help. albeit frustrating, let’s try to help him out. smaller more frequent meals do have one undeniable purpose for bodybuilders, which is that they help with impaired digestion, which is not that uncommon of a problem. Digestibility is not a simple function of what your body chooses to do with something. Necesseary enzymes have to be there to break things down. Haven’t some of you crapped out whole kernals of corn, or seen chunks of your salsa or lettuce in the toilet? Also, not uncommon is fat/oil in the feces as evident by a layer on top of the toilet water…
So, it’s not quite as simple as saying “from an evolutionary standpoint it makes no sense” (paraphrasing), but by in large hexx, you are correct.[/quote]
I base just about all of my “science” on whether or not a dietary change gives me diarrhea. If eating 100 grams of protein in a sitting gives me the Hershey squirts, I’m gonna break that meal up into two smaller meals. I don’t need Paul Chek’s measuring tape or a PubMed peer-reviewed article to tell me that I’d like to shit normally.
-Sab
If you are training as hard as you should be, you’ll be hungry all day long.
For instance, after hitting “upper” a couple of days ago, I had my usual recovery shake, followed by a couple of pints of full fat milk, and within 20 mins I was so ravenous I just about ready to eat whatever I could get my hands on.
I immediately went to a chinese buffet, including plenty of aromatic duck, sweet n sour chicken, crispy shredded pork, chinese ribs, chinese chicken, salmon, king prawns, apple fritters, ice cream, fruits, more ice cream, more fruit, more ice cream…
I ate until it felt as if the food was filling up to the back of my mouth. I couldn’t bend over without puking a bit in my mouth and my waist had probably hit 40"+ (from about 36"). Then, within 30mins, I was hungry again, and munching 300g of cottage cheese and a bowl of oats, washed down with another pint of full fat milk.
There is a very similar variations upon this theme every time I train, which is usually at LEAST 5 time per week, upper/lower split. On “lower” days I am usually far hungrier.
The point is, if you are heading for success and training your balls off, then you will need to increase the volume and frequency of your meals to make the gains you want.
You all seem to be fixated on the fact that it’s hard to eat 4,000+ calories in only a few meals, a point that I do not disagree with.
However, have you ever given thought to different scenarios, such as people who have low calorie needs, or people who are dieting? If someone eats only 2,100 calories a day, why should they have to split that paltry amount over 6+ meals?
Personally, I’d rather eat 3 meals a day consisting of 700 calories than 6 meals of 350 calories.
I’ve said all I need to. Believe what you will, I’m finished with this thread.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
what you morons cannot seem to grasp is that nobody is saying what you’re doing is “wrong” or that you won’t make any gains eating more frequently, only that it offers no distinct advantage over eating the same amount of food slightly less frequently.
Some of us like to lead normal lives and don’t want to carry around tupperware filled with chicken breast and brown rice to the movie theater so we don’t miss our 8th “feeding” of the day.
If you want to eat more frequently, great, just remember that eating 6-8 meals per day isn’t a PREREQUISITE to having an impressive physique.
All I hear are excuses and rationalizations on why you haven’t attained a great physique. I never said it was a prerequisite only what worked for ME. [/quote]
You’re missing the point. There are literally thousands of different variables that you can and cannot control that dictate your physique. Do you really think whether you get protein 2 or 6 times a day really makes a huge difference? Regardless, “LOOK AT MAH GUNZZ” is a worthless irrelevant argument and does nothing to prove your point.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
hexx wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Like I just MENTIONED, I have tried larger, less frequent meals and found the results to be less than desirable. That is how I came to the conclusion that this method does not work well for me. Maybe from now on I’ll just eat two meals with 200 grams of protein at each meal and see how that works? No thanks. But you can show me how it works for you if you don’t mind…
I’m not playing a game based on anecdotes. I don’t even know what “less than desirable” means, and I doubt anyone else does for that matter. That’s not how this works, you say something you have to prove it with hard data this is true for anything in the world.
Think about what you are saying. Why on earth would any aminos go to waste-- this makes little no evolutionary sense. Why would your body say “well, I guess I could digest this pretzel but not all of this protein”? It is just bottlenecked because you ate more, and takes longer to digest.
By in large you are correct hexx. jb99 is not really beaing a troll though… he just needs help. albeit frustrating, let’s try to help him out. smaller more frequent meals do have one undeniable purpose for bodybuilders, which is that they help with impaired digestion, which is not that uncommon of a problem. Digestibility is not a simple function of what your body chooses to do with something. Necesseary enzymes have to be there to break things down. Haven’t some of you crapped out whole kernals of corn, or seen chunks of your salsa or lettuce in the toilet? Also, not uncommon is fat/oil in the feces as evident by a layer on top of the toilet water…
So, it’s not quite as simple as saying “from an evolutionary standpoint it makes no sense” (paraphrasing), but by in large hexx, you are correct.[/quote]
Fiber is indigestible.
[quote]hexx wrote:
jb99 wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
Regardless, “LOOK AT MAH GUNZZ” is a worthless irrelevant argument and does nothing to prove your point.
[/quote]
It does if the majority of people with great physiques eat more frequently.
Look, I know there are people who can get by on only 2 or 3 meals a day, but if you need at least your body weight in grams of protein and 4000 calories a day, its pretty damn implausible to consume that in 2 or 3 meals. It all boils down to your needs.
I know as for myself, that when I eat infrequently, I had digestive problems and feel constantly bloated. When I eat 5 or 6 meals a day, the bloating literally goes away.
I am finished with this thread as well unless the experts Hexx and JMO want to show how their knowledge has lead to an impressive physique. Oh wait, they both probably look like shit. I have called them out repeatedly and they so conveniently forget to respond.