[quote]ahu2468 wrote:
Does the $390 price tag change anyone’s mind?[/quote]
Not at all…spent much more on illegal “super supps” back in the day, now that I’m a mid 30’s family man, I won’t go that route any more…so $390 for a legal supp that will build muscle and not be a health risk, no-brainer for me
[quote]Hospitaller wrote:
[quote]ahu2468 wrote:
Does the $390 price tag change anyone’s mind?[/quote]
Not at all…spent much more on illegal “super supps” back in the day, now that I’m a mid 30’s family man, I won’t go that route any more…so $390 for a legal supp that will build muscle and not be a health risk, no-brainer for me[/quote]
well, well, well, things just got interesting
as a testament to the classiness of this company (and to a little personal initiative) I’ve got to share this:
thought it MIGHT be worth a shot to go on Livespill and quickly lay out my story and why I want to give this supp a go…wouldn’t you know, Mr Tim Patterson is on Livespill at the same time and notices…says he will make sure I get a call tomorrow!! Are you freaking kidding me!!! How awesome is that!!!If this isn’t a dream, and it really comes true tomorrow, I will put up some detailed accounts of what I think of this supp, my progress, etc. I have tried pretty much everything under the sun at one time or another, so I think I will really be able to honestly evaluate what effect this supp is having on my body.
So psyched!! Thank you LORD!! (oh, and Tim Patterson too, lol)
Way to go Hos!! When I get a chance I plan on trying it. I’m an older FB who can gain weight as the hat drops.
Looking forward to your opinion on I3G.
Pete
^^Wow really?
Thats awesome man. Good for you.
I’m honestly astonished at the price of this supplement, and possibly more astonished at the number of people chomping at the bit to pay it. I really hope this stuff works as well as they say it does, and it works for everyone across the board, from already dialed in bodybuilders to average T-Nation posters.
That’s the only way I can see this product being worth anything near $390. That’s more than I spend on whey protein in 6 months, at 10lbs/month! I really do hope it works, and works very well, and is the game-changer they’re talking about- more than MAG-10, Anaconda, and everything else combined!
Otherwise, I fear they will have a hard time living this down. Some of you may recall another supplement they put out not too long ago with a large (although modest compared to $390)- 11-T anyone? Something like $110/bottle- which basically flopped.
Hell I’d pay the 390 since they’re saying that they may fly some people out to train there. I’d pay 390 to get to train with CT and pick his brain and be in a bad ass gym. Also that case is nifty.
I love Biotest stuff, and I know this sounds crazy expensive, but think about what they said. Tim realizes that most people may not even need more than a cycle or two to ‘correct’ how their body handles carbohydrates and stores fats. If you could reset your system to prefer to build muscle vs store fat with extra nutrients, wouldn’t you suck up the cost for a month or two each year?
Believe me, people think I’m crazy with all the supplements I’ve started using this past year and a half, but the success I’ve made in my contests since adding in the Anaconda and MAG-10, and then the Receptormax… it comes down to priorities. Also, think about what Shugart said in the latest write up, Tim wants to find experienced trainers and supplement users who will make the most of the product, and be able to verify it’s efficacy. Obviously a product of this nature would be wasted on a new trainer who doesn’t get enough protein, enough cals, and is switching their workout program every week.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I love Biotest stuff, and I know this sounds crazy expensive, but think about what they said. Tim realizes that most people may not even need more than a cycle or two to ‘correct’ how their body handles carbohydrates and stores fats. If you could reset your system to prefer to build muscle vs store fat with extra nutrients, wouldn’t you suck up the cost for a month or two each year?
Believe me, people think I’m crazy with all the supplements I’ve started using this past year and a half, but the success I’ve made in my contests since adding in the Anaconda and MAG-10, and then the Receptormax… it comes down to priorities. Also, think about what Shugart said in the latest write up, Tim wants to find experienced trainers and supplement users who will make the most of the product, and be able to verify it’s efficacy. Obviously a product of this nature would be wasted on a new trainer who doesn’t get enough protein, enough cals, and is switching their workout program every week.
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I, too, spend a lot on supplements and heavily rely on Biotest supps. One time or another, they came up with something that looked good in theory but didn’t seem to work in the real world. So what? I believe that’s somehow the price to being such an innovative company. Biotest has never just followed others, that’s why I like them.
The thing with the “experienced trainers”, however, does not seem to be the case. If you look at the profiles of the guys they rang up so far, I see mor 130lbs newbies than experienced lifters.
No bad feeling, though, I’m happy for the guys (boys…) and am sure this must be a great feeling for all of them, being “on the list”.
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
One time or another, they came up with something that looked good in theory but didn’t seem to work in the real world. So what? I believe that’s somehow the price to being such an innovative company. Biotest has never just followed others, that’s why I like them.
The thing with the “experienced trainers”, however, does not seem to be the case. If you look at the profiles of the guys they rang up so far, I see mor 130lbs newbies than experienced lifters.
No bad feeling, though, I’m happy for the guys (boys…) and am sure this must be a great feeling for all of them, being “on the list”.
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two things- as far as coming up with things that would work in theory, just didnt pan out in the real world- that’s all fine and good. that’s what their testing process should be all about. but 11-T? for real? did they just make something and release it without testing it? because i dont recall tons of people logging on to say how great it was. and now it’s no longer being sold. conclusion is they put out a product with a heavy price tag that didnt work.
next, i just wanted to say i agree with your second part about how they seem to be selling to a lot of newbs as well. theyve made statements that this first batch will be sold to supplement savvy people, that have put in the time, etc, etc. they also made statements about selling to the first batch to loyal, long-time customers. yet, it seems like they have compiled their list based off of who showed so much excitement that they would be a guaranteed sale. that’s fine, but let’s not be a company out to make money and disguise it as something else.
there’s so much marketing and hype wrapped around this new supplement that it is freaking unbelievable. even down to the livespills of “next call” “darn, voicemail” “next call goes to 703…” for real, give me a break. it really turns me off to be quite honest. people have been making comments for a long time about how every new article seems to be trying to sell a product.
well there’s pages of “livespill” full of T-Nation handles/screen names that ive never seen before, and ive been on this site for years. these names arent frequent posters or contributors to the site, yet theyve come out in mobs to buy this $390 supplement. and im not suggesting something like T-Nation has made a bunch of fake accounts or anything like that, i wouldnt know either way, just that this whole thing is becoming largely ridiculous.
i reeeaaaalllly hope to see tons of logs with pics and details about how this stuff works. otherwise, second coming of 11-T.
$390 for a 40 day supply, at what, 12 pills a day? (Shelby’s dosing) makes it out to be about $150 for a 15 day supply I believe.
So, what they’re essentially saying is that 12 weeks of this stuff can reset the body’s p-ratio, regardless of your level of leanness? I am pretty sure that was at least implied, someone correct me if I’m wrong.
I’d like to see it in action but I also hope they don’t choose the leanest people on this site to train at CO. I want to see it work on a “true” 15% or even 18% trainee.
Congrats to those who were selected.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
So, what they’re essentially saying is that 12 weeks of this stuff can reset the body’s p-ratio, regardless of your level of leanness? I am pretty sure that was at least implied, someone correct me if I’m wrong.
I’d like to see it in action but I also hope they don’t choose the leanest people on this site to train at CO. I want to see it work on a “true” 15% or even 18% trainee.
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THIS
It sounds like an expensive product but its not something that you use constantly. in theory you would use it for a couple months and then your “problem” would be fixed (according to what I’ve read so far) so that would make it definitely worth it IMO
I dont really care so much about the guys training in CO (although that would be bad ass for them and seeing videos of guys who post often lifting there would be cool) I’m just looking forward to seeing logs of guys who I already follow. It’ll be easy to see results in those guys.
I agree on getting to follow the logs of those who were selected. Like Ponce, I hope they have chosen a variety of weight and fitness levels. Keep it real world, so to speak.
Gregon I still think you might get a call.
Give some to Phil Heat, make him the next Mr. O
There really is going to be 2 interesting parts here:
1 - The first wave of people who get the supplement (I’m only interested in a few of them who know enough to isolate the variables, who have been training for 5+ years, and who will ONLY add this supplement in and maybe some extra carbs) - Its going to be interesting to see their results in the first 40 days.
2 - Then comes the “real” test for this supplement. They claim that it “fixes” the body so that it sends nutrients to muscle instead of fat. Well, after the people run out and then are forced to go at it without the supp, we shall see how that idea pans out as well. This to me is actually more interesting.
If the supplement does in fact have long lasting effects (which we wont know from the people who get it for months) than I believe the high price tag could be justified.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
There really is going to be 2 interesting parts here:
1 - The first wave of people who get the supplement (I’m only interested in a few of them who know enough to isolate the variables, who have been training for 5+ years, and who will ONLY add this supplement in and maybe some extra carbs) - Its going to be interesting to see their results in the first 40 days.
2 - Then comes the “real” test for this supplement. They claim that it “fixes” the body so that it sends nutrients to muscle instead of fat. Well, after the people run out and then are forced to go at it without the supp, we shall see how that idea pans out as well. This to me is actually more interesting.
If the supplement does in fact have long lasting effects (which we wont know from the people who get it for months) than I believe the high price tag could be justified.
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this is EXACTLY what I wrote about in the LiveSpill earlier. I think this trail run thing will work out great for testing out the product and seeing its results.
I have a hard time seeing Biotest go through all of this trouble, have a product that is so hyped up, feed into the hype with “the list” and then have it be a bust. I think a company as smart and proven as Biotest wouldnt set themselves up like that if they didnt know that the product really worked IMO.
Well I got my hands on the first batch. You could probably say I’m still a beginner (been lifting for almost two years now) but I’ve made some consideral progress in that time. I threw down te money because honestly, Im fortunate enough to have the money to spend and I don’t spend it on anything except food and supplements. I’m hoping it lives up to it’s claims, and also hope that my detailed log of it will help others hesitant about it as well. I’m in no way expecting it to be the “magic pill” but I know my diet/training/supplementation are already in line and have been for a long time, so I should be able to tell if it makes a difference or not (hopefully the former! Lol).
I typed this from my phone as I’m about to take a final so sorry if there are any spelling errors or anything I missed.
Ashy - Please, please, PLEASE do keep a somewhat detailed log including the following:
1 - BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES and measurements, including taking them several weeks after the supply has run out
2 - DONT make changes to your training and current nutrition intake (except maybe adding in some carbs peri-workout)
3 - And just a general log on how you feel the supplement is working during your time on it
I think sending the initial batch to the most enthusiastic people makes sense. A strong placebo effect can make an ineffective drug effective and an effective drug spectacularly effective. Going this route for their first batch ensures that they have a full month of likely only positive reviews from people who are quite favorably predisposed towards Biotest. The $390 price up front also requires enough of a commitment that most people using it will make damn sure to go the extra mile to prove to themselves that it was worth it by putting everything they have into their training.
Over the years Biotest has put out some great products and it’s had a few duds along the way too. I really hope this one falls into the former category, especially since I’ve noticed that my ability to handle carbs seems to have started to decline a bit over the past couple years despite my healthy eating and training.
Im in with the first batch too. Really looking forward to it. still have about 3-4 inches to loose from my waist line, and want to start adding in more carbs but have been fearful of fat coming back. Hoping this is the answer to my two sided problem.
Agree with a lot of folks so far in that will be interesting to see some logs and real results posted and obviously would have been cool to get chosen (that’s a no brainer). I would like to see some more ‘normal’ folks who train well and have real lives get a chance to be the (and future) test subjects too. Saying your product made a world class athlete improve is like saying your golf ball made Tiger hit it 10 yards further. Great, except that doesn’t always work for the regular schmoe trying to play the same ball.
On another note, I didn’t see any info on the ‘LiveSpill’ or in other threads, but wondered how much more carbs the current ‘test subjects’ added to their diets while taking the Indigo-3G (and also what was their original carb level).