steroids today is going through the hazing weed went through in the 60s. mockery → violent oppression → acceptance
and what with steroids being considered a class w/e drug they are nowadasy id say we’re into the oppression part, minus most of the violence (i guess no one wants to get too violent with these roid raging muscle heads)
And perversely, alchohol causes more damage to people and property than any of these drugs, and it’s completely legal.
I read the steroids forum sometimes, and I am always impressed by the knowledge displayed there by the intelligent and informed posters (Bill Roberts and BBB for example). I can’t imagine that many casual drug users have put the same amount of thought into what they do.
Common recreational drugs are being accepted as a fashion trend and a fashion statement for most people.
Most young kids will smoke weed just for the sake of smoking it to point out that they are going against common beliefs, i.e. rebelling.
Now the older “baby boomers” who grew up in the environment of pot msoking are sub-divided into two groups. One-
These people are the ones who smoked weed during the 60s and 70s, now look back on their life and realise that there is nothing left from that era, those days are wasted and they will never get them back and they cannot accept that they are getting older with no prospects. They are the ones that prohibit MJ and other REC drugs because they are hypocritical assholes, and prevent other people not from experimentation with drugs but from freedom of choice.
Two- These are the people that grew up smoking weed but accept the fact that they are getting older and put into the account that everything they achieved are a cause of their own personal mistakes and flaws and not because of a nautural herb. These people are more linient to promote experimentation as they remember their youth and do not want to prevent people from their freedom of choice.
But BOTH of these groups did not grow up with AAS around them and they are uncomforatble with this new niche.
They are misinformed and do not understand that it is in the same ball park as MJ was in the 60s. That is the reason that they are going against it, they are the same generation of people that they reffered their parents to in the 60s and 70s, anal-retentive bigots.
And the same thing with most kids, they have been convinced by the media and by the influence of their parents with the categorical prevention of the use of AAS.
Look in the Media guys, in each “teeny” movie there is a cool stoner who is “mellow”. You rarely see a juicer portrayed in a positive way, or even shown at all.
We just need to accept that in our society steroids are still a relatively underground thing, like an illness that people do not understand and are uncomfortable around, a juicer doesnt want to talk about to other people because they will simple “not understand”. There is no way to change it at this present moment. As everything, with time, will be accepted into society.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
CCJDilla wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
tom8658 wrote:
As for rec drugs not affecting hormones… X and acid decrease insulin sensitivity (I think) and pot screws with all kinds of sex hormones in monkey studies.
Correct, and they do it by stimulating cortisol release, so that’s two hormones that get affected, straight off the bat. Oh and lets not forget adrenalin, nor-adrenaline and all the other neuro-steroids and neurotransmitters that get affected. However I think it’s the ‘sex’ hormones that worry people more than the other steroids.
Also, ANY drug that causes a stimulant effect will likely affect cortisol and thus insulin sensitivity etc.
BBB
Irrelavant, but, BBB, what would be the biggest negating effect of mary???
Regardless if it is related to Bodybuilding or not, simply for health reasons.
I’ve googled this, and, I can only find biased sources.
Sorry, had to read that a couple of times (no I’m not high, lol) because you said ‘mary’ and I read ‘many’.
Anyway as far as I’m concerned, the most frightening aspect of MJ is the potential to induce psychosis. Now I always dismmissed this as propaganda bullshit, but it is very much a reality, espcially for those younger users who heavily smoke the enhanced, ‘skunk’ strains of cannabis sativa or indica.
There are more than a few young souls in S. Wales who have properly flipped out from overuse of weed. Some of them might not make it all the way back. I suspect that the formative years (12-18) and skunk weed every day (plus glue, solvents and god knows what else added into the mix) create a tendancy towards paranoid schizophrenia.
Other than that, I think the robbing of motivation is something to be aware of. For me, a night on the puff (just one small jay) leave my workout compromised the next day, plus I’m not as strict on my nutrition. So I pretty much gave it up. If I have it in the house, I’ll enjoy it 2-3 night per week and even though I only consume a little bit per go, it’s enough to affect my training. So I don’t have it around me.
BBB
BBB[/quote]
Pure Indica and Sativa do next to nothing after the age of 16. It’s predominantly the fact that it gets mixed with shit that people flip out. That said, no one in the formative stages of life should be taking drugs.
Protip: Smoke pot in NZ where it’s relatively fresh and pure.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
CCJDilla wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
tom8658 wrote:
As for rec drugs not affecting hormones… X and acid decrease insulin sensitivity (I think) and pot screws with all kinds of sex hormones in monkey studies.
Correct, and they do it by stimulating cortisol release, so that’s two hormones that get affected, straight off the bat. Oh and lets not forget adrenalin, nor-adrenaline and all the other neuro-steroids and neurotransmitters that get affected. However I think it’s the ‘sex’ hormones that worry people more than the other steroids.
Also, ANY drug that causes a stimulant effect will likely affect cortisol and thus insulin sensitivity etc.
BBB
Irrelavant, but, BBB, what would be the biggest negating effect of mary???
Regardless if it is related to Bodybuilding or not, simply for health reasons.
I’ve googled this, and, I can only find biased sources.
Sorry, had to read that a couple of times (no I’m not high, lol) because you said ‘mary’ and I read ‘many’.
Anyway as far as I’m concerned, the most frightening aspect of MJ is the potential to induce psychosis. Now I always dismmissed this as propaganda bullshit, but it is very much a reality, espcially for those younger users who heavily smoke the enhanced, ‘skunk’ strains of cannabis sativa or indica.
There are more than a few young souls in S. Wales who have properly flipped out from overuse of weed. Some of them might not make it all the way back. I suspect that the formative years (12-18) and skunk weed every day (plus glue, solvents and god knows what else added into the mix) create a tendancy towards paranoid schizophrenia.
Other than that, I think the robbing of motivation is something to be aware of. For me, a night on the puff (just one small jay) leave my workout compromised the next day, plus I’m not as strict on my nutrition. So I pretty much gave it up. If I have it in the house, I’ll enjoy it 2-3 night per week and even though I only consume a little bit per go, it’s enough to affect my training. So I don’t have it around me.
BBB
BBB[/quote]
A friend and I were discussing observations we’ve made about the long term weed usage of friends who eventually “quit,” and we noticed that these folks exhibited symptoms of bi-polar disorder of states of mania/depression. I personally think that long term weed use CAN induce this, but another friend said she believes that chronic users (chronic also meaning heavy usage, not just frequent) are subconsciously self-medicating their underlying bi-polarism.
I have personally seen lots of people loose everything good in there lives due to highly addictive drugs. Such as Coke Smack Crack Meth etc. I see all the time people making jokes about drugs or that time when I did lots of shit. Its accepted.
Yet I tell someone I personally know and have seen do MDMA, ecstasy pills, lines of coke, that I have done some oral steroids. And they almost panic and jump out of my car. They say how can you put that shit in your body its going to kill you. This person is also a Med student on road to becoming a DR. Takes half the supplements at the local GNC cause his buddy works there.
So I tell him more then what he knows about the drug. Due to research and asking questions to Vets like BBB. He is floored at how much I know on the subject.
Then he asks is it going to kill you? Make you psycho or rage out. So I say less chance of that happening then you eating a pill from some dealer that kills you in a night club or puts you in a rubber room. He laughs like he thinks its a joke.
So is there ignorance …fawk yeah. Will it ever subside? Nope. Reason I blame the media and government war on steroids looking for the sports cheaters cause they are so important(not in my world). Also the estrogenisation of the man. Little “girly men” fear assertive t-men. And this seems to be the norm in todays world. It also makes me see we are a dieing breed of man. Or at least in the extreme minority.