Dropping from 120mg to 60mg Weekly?

How much higher was your estrogen than your testosterone?

Not exactly sure, getting labs draw again. I can say these red dots were popping up like crazy for awhile before I lowered the dose. I still notice them from time to time. This is the reason I believe I can get dialed in better. I’ll post by most recent labs once they’re drawn.

Btw, fun fact, you can use a lighter and pin tip to make these red dots go away. Find the video on YouTube. I have been able to remove a few this way. Sounds crazy but it works I swear. Just tap the hot pin needle to them real fast and they’ll go away. Leave it for too long and you will get scarring.

I also also adjusted 120mg to 40mg MWF to see if it can help this symptom.

Once in a while I weeks we’re I just eat fast food, sugar, and alcohol, lol. Then I feel like the scum of the earth and go back to eating mostly whole and unprocessed food.

For anyone interested I notice the dots most in the following places: check, back, torso, nose. Can anyone relate?

It was explained by Dexter. It’s not estrogen dominance, it’s a rection to higher androgens in gerneral and goes away once your body gets used to having androgens again.

all my research says they don’t go away on their own – mine didn’t

Are they bumps, burst capillaries, or something different?

burst capillaries – ā€œcherry angiomasā€

I was about to ask about acne so guess I’ll ask here.

Any suggestions for what to actually do about all this back acne? I’ve seen some say that dial soap and one of those back scrubber on a stick things to really clean your back is a good place to start. I haven’t had acne like this since high school.

On the plus side my wife is having a blast busting these things on my back.

I’m getting to the point where I’m starting to get scars from it though so I need to get it under control.

I did recently bump from 190 to 210mg a week so maybe it’ll settle down on its own in a few more weeks?

Well…a healthy male probably doesn’t makes more than 70mg of testosterone a week, so you’re not too far off the top end of max standard production. Although you need to consider that Test C & E are only about 70% T, so 60mg of one of those esters a week is about 42mg of T…which is about the average for a young healthy male.

I suspect the reason many people wouldn’t do well on that amount is due to weekly or every other weekly injections. 60mg once a week (or worse, 120mg every 2 weeks) would suuuuuuck due to the low levels you’d get by the end of the week. Split it into daily doses and you might be doing OK.

Even at 100mg a week, shot once a week, you’ll go from above normal blood levels the day after the shot to below normal scale levels the day before the next…probably.

I’ve been feeling great at about 100 a week for the past month or so. I’ve carved it up into daily shots though, so it’s probably similar levels to someone doing 120-150 once a week.

Estered test and natural are not the same thing and it’s not a 1 for 1 equation. If it was, everyone would just take normal production amounts and be in normal range. You lose a certain percent right off the top to the ester and the rest processes differently than natural test.

No argument at all bro - addressed some of that in my message. :+1:

These cherry angiomas are genetic and everyone gets some as you get older 30+ Also you can’t have estrogen dominance while injecting testosterone. Dominance means your estrogen levels are higher then your testosterone levels. Which I’m sure they’re not.

Perhaps dominance isn’t the correct work but elevated estrogen is. They 100% correlated with upping my dosage of TRT, just saying… Yes I realize age and genetics are a factor too.

My e2 at close to 120 a week is near 30. When I was at 90 a week it was closer to 20. Near 20 I get back pain and clicking on several joints.

Near 30e2 no pain.

Just wondering why you chose to go with MWF instead of EOD? I’m currently at E3D but thinking to move to either MWF or EOD at the 6 week mark (currently in week 4). Thanks.

MWF is just easier to stay on schedule and is pretty much EOD.

If you think you’re not doing well, then go for it. If you are doing well, you’re taking a chance of messing yourself up for a few months as you bounce back to the higher dose.

I’m the guy, referred to up above by @roscoe88, who is currently on 35mg per week split x2. I don’t recommend going this low for anyone unless they share the problems I do when I go over 90mg, or have untenable side effects. If I inject more than 90mg I get nightmare anxiety and panic with a heart rate through the roof for 2 straight days. It’s incomprehensible to anyone who hasn’t been through it.

But I’ve been on 80mg total x1, 80mg total x2, 60mg total x2 and now 35mg x2 and as of now there is no doubt this is where I do best.

My other advice is if you do make the switch, you have to give it at least eight weeks before making any assessment. I’ve changed doses a few times. You can’t assess shit the first four or five weeks.

Where does 35mg per week put your total and free T?

Before trt, my total t was 170. I can’t imagine 35mg per week for me, would even put me over my pre-trt levels.