Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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After all of my postings I thought it appropriate to post a Glenn Beck quote or two that I do like and support 100%

"Beck: If government tried to take his kids after refusing mandatory flu vaccine, he’d say, “Meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson”

Beck calls IRS “the closest thing the free world has ever had to a Gestapo”

Beck: “Run from any pastor, priest or rabbi” advocating “that any one policy God says is the right thing”

Beck: “[T]he big dogs like Goldman Sachs are setting themselves up for the new world order”

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

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You must be on drugs if you think I am going to waste my time sifting through hours of his radio show to prove something you wrote is accurate. If you can’t be bothered to do the research to back up what YOU are posting that is on YOU.

Whether or not he got the bit on citizenship wrong I’m not particularly bothered either way. I’ve never heard him say it. So if he did say it, it obviously isn’t something that he has felt it necessary to reiterate. Because it is minor bullshit.

Let’s see you disprove something significant. ie GE owns MSNBC who broadcast that stupid Jon Stewart skit. Lets see you prove GE doesn’t own MSNBC. Let’s see you prove that GE doesn’t stand to make billions of dollars off of wind turbines that produce energy at more than twice the cost of any other method.

Or how about you proving that Obama wasn’t an attorney for acorn and that they didn’t bring a lawsuit to force lenders to give loans to high risk borrowers, which subsequently resulted in the collapse of our financial system.

Or tell us something that he got wrong about SEIU, George Soros, Bill Ayers. You are weak. You are not giving us anything of real substance. [/quote]

Yeah sorry for actually addressing the theme of the thread and not ducking it by creating a new set of “real” questions there sifu. One derivative of sifu is teacher, you should study more. You completely red herring my points and create your own set of what I now have to prove, meanwhile you refuse to rebutt any of the points. At least ZEB took the time to do that.
Why would I try to disprove something that I have no argument with? You are a dipshit. Why don’t YOU try to prove that Beck doesn’t stand to make tons of money with his Goldline pitch scam? Why don’t you try to really prove a point instead of the weakest fucking argument for our financial collapse I have EVER heard on the internet—Obama didn’t sue someone therefore our system collapsed. Jeebus you are ignorant.[/quote]

I accept your apology. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Another thing you are wrong about is I haven’t created a new set of issues, watch the cartoon that started this thread. You are the one who took us off on a tangent about citizenship.

He probably does make money off of his goldline add. I cringe at the commercialism whenever I see it, but I realize that he and FOX have to pay bills like anyone else. But I can believe that he thinks gold is a good investment, because right now it is a safe place to put your money. Personally I think that Platinum is an even safer bet because it is an industrial metal that is used as a catalyst in a number of processes. If the economy turns around the demand for Platinum will go up.

Giving loans to low income loan applicants is exactly what caused the financial collapse. Obama worked for acorn as an attorney suing to get low income loans. So he played a big part in creating this mess. Because lenders were underwriting bad loans because they didn’t want to get sued. I remember when I first saw a flyer at my local supermarket advertising those loans. I couldn’t believe that someone would be advertising low interest loans in that part or any other part of Detroit. I remember when I had a job running collections in Detroit. That is not a place to loan money because those people will abuse credit badly.

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Blah, blah, blah…I will save and remember your quote on this one that “Hey Beck needs to make money like everybody else and stuff.”
Wow, just wow I feel like we need that quote from Billy Madison here “No where in your incoherent rambling did you resemble anything like a point. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.”

How does that Beck flavored Kool-Aid taste?

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

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You must be on drugs if you think I am going to waste my time sifting through hours of his radio show to prove something you wrote is accurate. If you can’t be bothered to do the research to back up what YOU are posting that is on YOU.

Whether or not he got the bit on citizenship wrong I’m not particularly bothered either way. I’ve never heard him say it. So if he did say it, it obviously isn’t something that he has felt it necessary to reiterate. Because it is minor bullshit.

Let’s see you disprove something significant. ie GE owns MSNBC who broadcast that stupid Jon Stewart skit. Lets see you prove GE doesn’t own MSNBC. Let’s see you prove that GE doesn’t stand to make billions of dollars off of wind turbines that produce energy at more than twice the cost of any other method.

Or how about you proving that Obama wasn’t an attorney for acorn and that they didn’t bring a lawsuit to force lenders to give loans to high risk borrowers, which subsequently resulted in the collapse of our financial system.

Or tell us something that he got wrong about SEIU, George Soros, Bill Ayers. You are weak. You are not giving us anything of real substance. [/quote]

Yeah sorry for actually addressing the theme of the thread and not ducking it by creating a new set of “real” questions there sifu. One derivative of sifu is teacher, you should study more. You completely red herring my points and create your own set of what I now have to prove, meanwhile you refuse to rebutt any of the points. At least ZEB took the time to do that.
Why would I try to disprove something that I have no argument with? You are a dipshit. Why don’t YOU try to prove that Beck doesn’t stand to make tons of money with his Goldline pitch scam? Why don’t you try to really prove a point instead of the weakest fucking argument for our financial collapse I have EVER heard on the internet—Obama didn’t sue someone therefore our system collapsed. Jeebus you are ignorant.[/quote]

I accept your apology. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Another thing you are wrong about is I haven’t created a new set of issues, watch the cartoon that started this thread. You are the one who took us off on a tangent about citizenship.

He probably does make money off of his goldline add. I cringe at the commercialism whenever I see it, but I realize that he and FOX have to pay bills like anyone else. But I can believe that he thinks gold is a good investment, because right now it is a safe place to put your money. Personally I think that Platinum is an even safer bet because it is an industrial metal that is used as a catalyst in a number of processes. If the economy turns around the demand for Platinum will go up.

Giving loans to low income loan applicants is exactly what caused the financial collapse. Obama worked for acorn as an attorney suing to get low income loans. So he played a big part in creating this mess. Because lenders were underwriting bad loans because they didn’t want to get sued. I remember when I first saw a flyer at my local supermarket advertising those loans. I couldn’t believe that someone would be advertising low interest loans in that part or any other part of Detroit. I remember when I had a job running collections in Detroit. That is not a place to loan money because those people will abuse credit badly.

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Blah, blah, blah…I will save and remember your quote on this one that “Hey Beck needs to make money like everybody else and stuff.”
Wow, just wow I feel like we need that quote from Billy Madison here “No where in your incoherent rambling did you resemble anything like a point. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.”

How does that Beck flavored Kool-Aid taste?[/quote]

I so love this clip, makes me laugh every time.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

Also what is your rebuttal on the whole “only pres to not swear in with the bible” quote? Another mis-spoke blunder by your boy?[/quote]

Please stop, you’re making yourself look bad. We ask for lies and you give us a blunder or two? Did Obama lie when he said that there were 57 states? Or, was it a simple blunder? There is no human being alive who speaks as much as Beck, or Obama who will not make the occasional blunder.

Now keep digging and try to come up with some outright lies. Go on all the “hate Beck” web sites, they make stuff up that he said and then shoot it down. Why don’t you pick apart his analysis of Van Jones? That was an important issue. If he told a lie regarding something significant such as that I would really have to stop watching him. I don’t believe you’ll find any significant out and out lies.[/quote]

Maybe ZEB but but does the impact of that blunder by Obama (or anyone that would have said that) have the same impact as Beck’s blunder? The impact of course being MANY uninformed people now thinking Obama is going against the grain, possibly a Muslim, basically fueling the fire for their rants against him?

Have you seen that video of those dimwits at Sarah Palin’s book signing who when asked by the reporter to specifically support the claims they were making (he’s a socialist, he’s taking away our freedoms, etc.) not a single one could. They just kept spouting conservative talking points with no basis in fact for their views. Ignorance plain and simple and for many they take anything someone like Beck says at face value and before you say anything there are plenty of Democrats that do the same thing. My point is stupid is as stupid does.

I’ll keep digging but first you have two more points I brought up in that larger post that you have yet to refute. Please don’t be like Sifu and dodge answering them and create some new set of rules as to what the discussion has been about till now.

Why would I get into the Van Jones thing? Eva Paterson did a much better job than I could as someone that actually has worked with him.[/quote]

I haven’t seen the Palin book signing video so I can’t comment on that. But I am quite sure that it couldn’t be any worse than the Democrat voters at a polling station waiting to go in and vote for Obama who could not answer who Nancy Pelosi or Harry Ried are. A lot of people voted for Obama without having a clue about the baggage he was going to bring along with him.

The health care bill has provisions to penalize those who don’t buy health care. So there is a case of our freedom being infringed.

Worse than that however is Obama’s well established disdain for the second amendment. When he picked Sotomayor for the USC he picked someone who will be hostile to our constitutional right to rebellion against the government. Hell it was only after the USC ruled against Washington DC’s gun ban that he reluctantly admitted that we even have a right to self defense. Frankly I don’t believe that he is sincere in his new belief. What makes his hostility to the second amendment even more worrisome is when the people around him are quoting Mao’s “power comes from the barrel of a gun”.

Last but not least you are the one who has brought new things into this thread. You are the one who introduced dogs on health care along with another remark you can’t prove about citizenship. You have done nothing to address progressive socialism, Fabians, George Soros, Acorn, Seiu, history text books in the schools being rewritten to give an inaccurate narrative of this country’ history. You need to take on and deal with the big stuff to make any progress with us, because dogs on health care is a joke.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

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You must be on drugs if you think I am going to waste my time sifting through hours of his radio show to prove something you wrote is accurate. If you can’t be bothered to do the research to back up what YOU are posting that is on YOU.

Whether or not he got the bit on citizenship wrong I’m not particularly bothered either way. I’ve never heard him say it. So if he did say it, it obviously isn’t something that he has felt it necessary to reiterate. Because it is minor bullshit.

Let’s see you disprove something significant. ie GE owns MSNBC who broadcast that stupid Jon Stewart skit. Lets see you prove GE doesn’t own MSNBC. Let’s see you prove that GE doesn’t stand to make billions of dollars off of wind turbines that produce energy at more than twice the cost of any other method.

Or how about you proving that Obama wasn’t an attorney for acorn and that they didn’t bring a lawsuit to force lenders to give loans to high risk borrowers, which subsequently resulted in the collapse of our financial system.

Or tell us something that he got wrong about SEIU, George Soros, Bill Ayers. You are weak. You are not giving us anything of real substance. [/quote]

Yeah sorry for actually addressing the theme of the thread and not ducking it by creating a new set of “real” questions there sifu. One derivative of sifu is teacher, you should study more. You completely red herring my points and create your own set of what I now have to prove, meanwhile you refuse to rebutt any of the points. At least ZEB took the time to do that.
Why would I try to disprove something that I have no argument with? You are a dipshit. Why don’t YOU try to prove that Beck doesn’t stand to make tons of money with his Goldline pitch scam? Why don’t you try to really prove a point instead of the weakest fucking argument for our financial collapse I have EVER heard on the internet—Obama didn’t sue someone therefore our system collapsed. Jeebus you are ignorant.[/quote]

I accept your apology. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Another thing you are wrong about is I haven’t created a new set of issues, watch the cartoon that started this thread. You are the one who took us off on a tangent about citizenship.

He probably does make money off of his goldline add. I cringe at the commercialism whenever I see it, but I realize that he and FOX have to pay bills like anyone else. But I can believe that he thinks gold is a good investment, because right now it is a safe place to put your money. Personally I think that Platinum is an even safer bet because it is an industrial metal that is used as a catalyst in a number of processes. If the economy turns around the demand for Platinum will go up.

Giving loans to low income loan applicants is exactly what caused the financial collapse. Obama worked for acorn as an attorney suing to get low income loans. So he played a big part in creating this mess. Because lenders were underwriting bad loans because they didn’t want to get sued. I remember when I first saw a flyer at my local supermarket advertising those loans. I couldn’t believe that someone would be advertising low interest loans in that part or any other part of Detroit. I remember when I had a job running collections in Detroit. That is not a place to loan money because those people will abuse credit badly.

[/quote]

Blah, blah, blah…I will save and remember your quote on this one that “Hey Beck needs to make money like everybody else and stuff.”
Wow, just wow I feel like we need that quote from Billy Madison here “No where in your incoherent rambling did you resemble anything like a point. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.”

How does that Beck flavored Kool-Aid taste?[/quote]

You did a good job of ignoring the first of my statement where I stated that I cringe when I see that commercial, then go on to rewrite it. If you try misrepresenting me like that I will be ruthless with your punk ass.

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ATTENTION!

Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
(and if someone edits my post to say “Glenn Beck is a Moron FTFY” I may just punch a baby)

That is all

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
After all of my postings I thought it appropriate to post a Glenn Beck quote or two that I do like and support 100%

"Beck: If government tried to take his kids after refusing mandatory flu vaccine, he’d say, “Meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson”

Beck calls IRS “the closest thing the free world has ever had to a Gestapo”

Beck: “Run from any pastor, priest or rabbi” advocating “that any one policy God says is the right thing”

Beck: “[T]he big dogs like Goldman Sachs are setting themselves up for the new world order”
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There is some truth to every single quote.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

Hulk, while I don’t like beck either, I think you might have to look at this in a different way. If one says beck is lying, then they are basically the prosecution and the beck supporters become the defense. (on an aside, as much as I’ve been accused of it, I never actually painted him with broad strokes as a “liar”. He has said a few things that are incorrect (swearing in without the bible, the only country that has automatic citizenship etc.), but lying would take some premeditation and that’s up for debate. I posted what I believe are some suspect statements by beck, but never simply stated that he’s a liar.). As the prosecution it’s your responsibility to prove guilt. The defense doesn’t have to prove innocence. In the legal system the onus is on the prosecution. In this situation, whether or not sufficient evidence has been presented is, and always will be, up for debate. Given the polarization of the issue here, it will just continue ad infinitum like much of PWI. [/quote]

This isn’t a court of law, it’s debate, kind of.

The mere fact that ZEB said that if I were to claim Obama is a great president and he disagreed, that he wouldn’t expect me to have to prove or show how Obama is great, is such utter bullshit. I guess I’m going to go make a thread now about how Obama is the best president ever, and I won’t have to give a single reason why, awesome!

Anyway, Beck’s a loon and most recognize that, on both sides of the aisle.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

This isn’t a court of law, it’s debate, kind of.

The mere fact that ZEB said that if I were to claim Obama is a great president and he disagreed, that he wouldn’t expect me to have to prove or show how Obama is great, is such utter bullshit. I guess I’m going to go make a thread now about how Obama is the best president ever, and I won’t have to give a single reason why, awesome![/quote]

That’s not exactly what I said. My point was that if you said he was a good President and I said he stunk I should be able to point out why I think he stinks. But certainly the Beck argument is a bit different as you are saying that he is a liar. Yet, not only can’t you prove this, you can’t even present any reasonable evidence.

Yes, that’s easy to say, but you can’t come up with even one shred of evidence to prove it. As I’ve stated before, those who don’t like him usually don’t like him because he does not agree with their thoughts on politics. And yes, sometimes he’s obnoxious, no question. But why can’t they just say that? Why all the self-delusion?

Don’t get me wrong I fall into that trap too at times. I suggest we all face up to the truth it can only help in the end. One more time, if Glenn Beck is a liar, where is the evidence?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

If we tried to write a new constitution today there would be so many more competing interests that stupid things would get added in.
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Stupid things like allowing women to vote, outlawing slavery, child labor laws, rights for corporations, etc? None of these things were in the original consitution, I’m pretty happy with most of the changes we’ve made since 1787.

[quote]Sifu wrote:

This is what happened with the EU constitution. It awards ridiculous rights that are so ill conceived they are problematic for society and causing a pushback, where people are sick of the problems that are caused by human rights laws.
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I disagree, but I’m curious as to what problems you are talking about. What are exmaples of problems you think are caused by “human rights laws?” I’m guessing you’re not a fan of Ecuador giving nature constitutional rights?
http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/09/29/ecuador-1st-nation-in-world-to-give-nature-rights-via-constitution/

[quote]ReigonIB wrote:

these are all theoretical ramblings. like “uhhh I want piece on earth” or “human well being should be more important than GDP” or “no unjustified authority exists” etc.
please answer concrete questions.
I’m copy-pasting my questions from the previous post for your convenience :slight_smile:
For example: how will new businesses be started? Who will determine salary figures for the workforce? How will the prices of goods be determined?
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People should start businesses in any system. I’m not sure I understand exactly what you’re asking. Just because I’m advocating human well-being doesn’t mean I saying that we need to regulate the shit out of everything that moves.

I’m not anti-market. Like I said before, socialism does not equal strict government control of everything. I understand the merits of allowing market forces to determine salaries and prices, the market can be very efficient for certain things. I also understand the role individual entrepreneurship plays in innovation. People need have the ability to start businesses and try new things. I don’t have a problem with all business; I’m a big supporter of local business for example.

What I DO have a problem with though is the ever increasing number of multi-national corporations that have entirely too much power. When entire countries and governments can be pushed around by corporations I think that’s a pretty clear sign that things have gotten out of control.

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[quote]Chomskyian wrote:
People should start businesses in any system. I’m not sure I understand exactly what you’re asking. Just because I’m advocating human well-being doesn’t mean I saying that we need to regulate the shit out of everything that moves.

I’m not anti-market. Like I said before, socialism does not equal strict government control of everything. I understand the merits of allowing market forces to determine salaries and prices, the market can be very efficient for certain things. I also understand the role individual entrepreneurship plays in innovation. People need have the ability to start businesses and try new things. I don’t have a problem with all business; I’m a big supporter of local business for example.

What I DO have a problem with though is the ever increasing number of multi-national corporations that have entirely too much power. When entire countries and governments can be pushed around by corporations I think that’s a pretty clear sign that things have gotten out of control.[/quote]

Well, if you’re not anti-market - then open your own business and feel free to run it any way you like it.
Want your workers to decide how much you and they should be making? Be my guest.
Want to try to sell your product at a minimal or no profit - go for it.
Or join a co-op that is run that way.

But don’t be telling other business owners how to run their companies and what to do with their profits after taxes are paid on them.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
and btw: I would be really happy if obama did push for socialist policy, but I am not seeing it. so I am not afraid to find about the truth.
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You have to understand that the American socialist is not the same as the European socialist. Just like the American right wing is nothing like the European right wing.

You can’t look at Obama, see that he is to the right of Marx, and complain that he isn’t a socialist. From an American point of view he is. From a European point of view he is fairly moderate.[/quote]

this does not make any sence. by follow a logic like this all words lose theire meening. socialism is a specific political philosophy, just like liberalism is. what you can say is that the american left is different than the europeen left. your dominant leftwing are socialliberal, but the left in europa is socialdemocratic and socialist. the rightwing of europa and america are very close, they both are for less regulations of the economy and a smaller welfarestate, both are no fan of immigration and they are both militarist.

so no obama nor the democratic party are socialist, they are socialliberals.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:
But don’t be telling other business owners how to run their companies and what to do with their profits after taxes are paid on them.
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The “business owners” of today’s big corporations are floating groups of people that change constantly. Most of the time financial advisors move other peoples’ money simply around to find the best rates of return. I’m arguing that someone should own and take responsibility for a business’s actions, it would be quite a change from what we have today. This country’s phobia of regulation though has created a situation where publicly traded companies can get away with murder these days.

When corporate officers don’t have much ownership in a corporation, aka publicly traded companies, that is when we run in to problems. This situation where we have a huge disconnect between ownership and management is precisely when we need proper regulation to prevent management from taking on too much risk, ruining the environment, etc. all in the name of a rising stock price.

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[quote]Chomskyian wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
But don’t be telling other business owners how to run their companies and what to do with their profits after taxes are paid on them.
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The “business owners” of today’s big corporations are floating groups of people that change constantly. Most of the time financial advisors move other peoples’ money simply around to find the best rates of return. I’m arguing that someone should own and take responsibility for a business’s actions, it would be quite a change from what we have today. This country’s phobia of regulation though has created a situation where publicly traded companies can get away with murder these days.[/quote]

And you know this how?

Funny how the system has worked very well for about 200 years. What else would you like to change? How about the fork and knife?

I won’t bother explaining all of the inventsions, new products and services that have come from such a system. This is a very large part of what made the US great. Ivory tower scum like Obama have no clue of what an entrepreneur goes through to bring his product to market. To make a payroll, hire the right people, marketing etc. And honestly you have no clue either. Go make some moneym, pay half the government and then get back to me. Theory is great on paper, but when the rubber hits the road it sort of fades.

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[quote]Chomskyian wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:
But don’t be telling other business owners how to run their companies and what to do with their profits after taxes are paid on them.
[/quote]
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When corporate officers don’t have much ownership in a corporation, aka publicly traded companies, that is when we run in to problems.
…
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I actually agree that the fact that some large businesses (not every one of them of course contrary to your claim) are run by hired senior management hurts those companies at times.
Not clear on what you are actually proposing though?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

And you know this how?
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I pay attention to the world around me and read a book every so often.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Funny how the system has worked very well for about 200 years. What else would you like to change? How about the fork and knife?
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What’s funny is that you would think the idea of the corporation we have today is anything like the idea of one from 200 years ago. Until about 100 years ago, corporations had to prove they served the public good in order to exist at all. Corporate charters were given out for specific purposes, like building a bridge, and then they expired. The idea of limited liability came about farily recently also.

If there’s anything I’d like to change it would the how Americans don’t know their own history, or usually much about what goes on outside the United States; the fact that you admire/believe the nonsense coming out of Glenn Beck’s mouth is actually most likely related to your ignorance of our nation’s history. Here you go if your interested in how corporations have changed over the last 200 years:

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:

I actually agree that the fact that some large businesses (not every one of them of course contrary to your claim) are run by hired senior management hurts those companies at times.
Not clear on what you are actually proposing though?
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The structure of corporate governance we currently have is deeply flawed. I’m sure there are great CEOs out there and corporate officers that care about the environment and ethics, but how they operate their businesses has nothing to do with their personal views. Part of our problem is that CEO are required by law to do one thing: make a much profit as possible. If Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman had said prior to the financial crisis, “wait a sec, these are shitty financial transactions I don’t think we should be betting against our own clients to make money,” he would have been removed as CEO and someone that would have done the job would have replaced him.

There are corporations that act more ethically than others, but corporate governance needs to be reformed. Another issue that could be addressed is officer compensation; if officers were compensated based on long-term measures, rather than short-term stock price gain, we would most likely see risky behavior reduced. Employee-owned corporations and S-corporations are also two examples of different approaches to corporate governance that I like.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:
I actually agree that the fact that some large businesses (not every one of them of course contrary to your claim) are run by hired senior management hurts those companies at times.
Not clear on what you are actually proposing though?
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I would tax public companies at a higher rate than other businesses. Say 5% higher. If you aren’t 5% more efficient than a mom and pop store when you can get tens of millions in funding, and have limited liability, then you don’t deserve a damn thing.

Secondly, because we give corporations person like legal definitions I would treat the corporation as a person in a criminal sense too. What happens now if a large corporation skimps on costs and creates a product which ends up killing a dozen people? They get a fine. What would happen to a person? Jail time! So I would gut the company. Forcibly acquire all assets and sell them off.

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[quote]Chomskyian wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

And you know this how?
[/quote]

I pay attention to the world around me and read a book every so often.[/quote]

Hey I think that’s great and that’s why you’re so smart. But I noticed you left out one very important ingredient in your reasons. Where is your hands on experience with the topic? As I said theory is great, I’m not knocking it. But as we’ve seen with our current President all theory and no experience leads to disaster. I politely submit to you that all the reading you’ve done does not measure up to actually going out in the world making money and having the government steal half of it. It’s sort of like a cold slap in the face. Try it sometime. You might view the various books you’ve been reading in a new light.

Very good, you’ve done lots of reading I respect that. The LLC’s that you refer to are a recent phenomenon. However, “C” corporations are not allowed LLC status. And virtually every one of the large corporations that you are speaking of are in fact “C” corporations. LLC’s are treated more like “S” corporations where money flows through to the owner and is taxed only once. Also, as a side note that’s one reason why Obama’s “tax the rich” policy will hurt America. Many (most?) making 250-k are entrepreneurs who may own a company that flows 250-k and now they are considered rich. By hurting those small businesses Obama is either showing a lack of understanding (that can’t be it he’s the smartest man in the world) or concern (ahh that’s it) with those who actually make the economy move forward. It’s almost like he’s trying to fundamentally change America - YEP, THAT’S IT!

Where are you from?

First of all I find Glenn Beck to be not only entertaining, but someone who tells the truth. It seems that little fact has escaped you. When you say that someone is spouting “nonsense” it seems only fitting that you back it up with some kind of important lie that he told. So far you’ve got nothing. So it might not be my ignorance which stands in the way of understanding, it could very well be your own. But don’t let that stop you from posting. Most liberals or in your case socialists ramble on regardless of the facts. I expect nothing less from you. Don’t disappoint me.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

You did a good job of ignoring the first of my statement where I stated that I cringe when I see that commercial, then go on to rewrite it. If you try misrepresenting me like that I will be ruthless with your punk ass. [/quote]

Really I ignored it or did I focus on your lame ass apologetic for the commercial? Man I would surely be worried about a man with your superior intellect and wit “being ruthless” with me. You lack basic reading comprehension skills. I answered the request from ZEB for proof of lies. Take note, re-read the thread there is not a mention of significance or that the lies had to be about major issues. YOU are creating that distinction out of thin air.