[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
well superdrol isnt a pro-hormone. It’s a designer steroid, it doesnt require conversion. It’s active as is. It’s not a bad drug to add to a cycle.
Niether is a good option just because there are so many better options. Niether is dangerous though.
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Interesting, I had read that as well…that superdrol was a designer steroid…I figured it kind of fell into the same category. What I was looking into was a bit different but my lifting partner was planning on doing Mdrol (so basically superdrol). Since this is a designer steroid and not a PH apparently should he be OK to take it (I know he’s not down to inject), or does it fall under the category of “do not take” as much as you were saying PH’s do?
[quote]David1991 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
well superdrol isnt a pro-hormone. It’s a designer steroid, it doesnt require conversion. It’s active as is. It’s not a bad drug to add to a cycle.
Niether is a good option just because there are so many better options. Niether is dangerous though.
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Interesting, I had read that as well…that superdrol was a designer steroid…I figured it kind of fell into the same category. What I was looking into was a bit different but my lifting partner was planning on doing Mdrol (so basically superdrol). Since this is a designer steroid and not a PH apparently should he be OK to take it (I know he’s not down to inject), or does it fall under the category of “do not take” as much as you were saying PH’s do?[/quote]
WEll hes going to use it regardless of my opinion.
All of this stuff requires SERM pct though. There are dozens upon dozens of reports of delayed gyno from people who dont do a SERM PCT. And the risk of HPTA damage is there as well when no pct is done.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]David1991 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
well superdrol isnt a pro-hormone. It’s a designer steroid, it doesnt require conversion. It’s active as is. It’s not a bad drug to add to a cycle.
Niether is a good option just because there are so many better options. Niether is dangerous though.
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Interesting, I had read that as well…that superdrol was a designer steroid…I figured it kind of fell into the same category. What I was looking into was a bit different but my lifting partner was planning on doing Mdrol (so basically superdrol). Since this is a designer steroid and not a PH apparently should he be OK to take it (I know he’s not down to inject), or does it fall under the category of “do not take” as much as you were saying PH’s do?[/quote]
WEll hes going to use it regardless of my opinion.
All of this stuff requires SERM pct though. There are dozens upon dozens of reports of delayed gyno from people who dont do a SERM PCT. And the risk of HPTA damage is there as well when no pct is done.
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I agree that he is probably going to do it anyway lol but he trusts my opinion and I trust yours so there’s that at least. He has said himself though that he won’t do another cycle (he had done DMZ in the past, which apparently breaks down into 2 superdrol molecules) unless he has a SERM, even though last time he only did reversitol for PCT last time and kept his gains…
I don’t even know what that is to be honest but I imagine it’s not a legitimate PCT. So I’m trying to get Nolva from my doc for my ‘gyno’ but I have a feeling he’s not going to prescribe it for some reason (i’m not aware of how hard it really is to get that way). If that is the case I will have to buy some other ways but like I said at that point I might as well get the real stuff (well I guess you said sdrol is real stuff, but yea…safer stuff then). Hopefully if I get it from a source other than my doctor it is legitimate.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]David1991 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
well superdrol isnt a pro-hormone. It’s a designer steroid, it doesnt require conversion. It’s active as is. It’s not a bad drug to add to a cycle.
Niether is a good option just because there are so many better options. Niether is dangerous though.
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Interesting, I had read that as well…that superdrol was a designer steroid…I figured it kind of fell into the same category. What I was looking into was a bit different but my lifting partner was planning on doing Mdrol (so basically superdrol). Since this is a designer steroid and not a PH apparently should he be OK to take it (I know he’s not down to inject), or does it fall under the category of “do not take” as much as you were saying PH’s do?[/quote]
WEll hes going to use it regardless of my opinion.
All of this stuff requires SERM pct though. There are dozens upon dozens of reports of delayed gyno from people who dont do a SERM PCT. And the risk of HPTA damage is there as well when no pct is done.
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I agree that he is probably going to do it anyway lol but he trusts my opinion and I trust yours so there’s that at least. He has said himself though that he won’t do another cycle (he had done DMZ in the past, which apparently breaks down into 2 superdrol molecules) unless he has a SERM, even though last time he only did reversitol for PCT last time and kept his gains…I don’t even know what that is to be honest but I imagine it’s not a legitimate PCT. So I’m trying to get Nolva from my doc for my ‘gyno’ but I have a feeling he’s not going to prescribe it for some reason (i’m not aware of how hard it really is to get that way). If that is the case I will have to buy some other ways but like I said at that point I might as well get the real stuff (well I guess you said sdrol is real stuff, but yea…safer stuff then). Hopefully if I get it from a source other than my doctor it is legitimate.
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SERMs are breast cancer drugs. I dont think he can legally prescribe it for gyno. Im 99% sure of that actually. I wouldnt even ask, to be honest, unless you want to raise some eyebrows. Although I wouldnt bet on a GP associating SERM use with steroid use. If you do ask be prepared to explain why you want a SERM for the gyno problem. At that point youd have to say nothing or say it’s because you plan to use steroids. A SERM will not treat existing gyno so theres no reason, legit or off-label, reason to use a SERM AFTER the gyno is there. Your doc isnt going to risk losing his license prescribing breast cancer drugs to a 20 year old male.
SERMs/AIs are much easier to get than steroids. Far less illegal as well. Online pharmacies and research suppliers are often used.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
SERMs are breast cancer drugs. I dont think he can legally prescribe it for gyno. Im 99% sure of that actually. I wouldnt even ask, to be honest, unless you want to raise some eyebrows. Although I wouldnt bet on a GP associating SERM use with steroid use. If you do ask be prepared to explain why you want a SERM for the gyno problem. At that point youd have to say nothing or say it’s because you plan to use steroids. A SERM will not treat existing gyno so theres no reason, legit or off-label, reason to use a SERM AFTER the gyno is there. Your doc isnt going to risk losing his license prescribing breast cancer drugs to a 20 year old male.
SERMs/AIs are much easier to get than steroids. Far less illegal as well. Online pharmacies and research suppliers are often used. [/quote]
From wiki’s link about gyno: “. Selective estrogen receptor modulator medications, such as tamoxifen and clomiphene, or androgens (typically testosterone) or aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole are medical treatment options, although they are not universally approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.”
From wiki’s link about tamoxifen: "Tamoxifen is used to prevent estrogen related gynecomastia, resulting from elevated estrogenic levels. It is taken as a preventative measure in small doses, or used at the onset of any symptoms e.g. nipple soreness/sensitivity. Other drugs are taken for the similar purposeses such as clomiphene citrate and the anti-aromatase drugs which are used in order to try to avoid the hormone related adverse effects. "
So I assumed if I said it was suddenly feeling tender and a new lump had just come up in the last week that he would prescribe it for that. Or even if I said I just took a prohormone my friend gave me and realized what it was and now have this gyno and/or Test is shut down or something (I do have fairly low test, ~400ng/dl and could probably artificially get it lower on a blood test). In the article on this site “your doc your dealer” that’s how the author recommended it, but none of this is coming from personal experience.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
SERMs are breast cancer drugs. I dont think he can legally prescribe it for gyno. Im 99% sure of that actually. I wouldnt even ask, to be honest, unless you want to raise some eyebrows. Although I wouldnt bet on a GP associating SERM use with steroid use. If you do ask be prepared to explain why you want a SERM for the gyno problem. At that point youd have to say nothing or say it’s because you plan to use steroids. A SERM will not treat existing gyno so theres no reason, legit or off-label, reason to use a SERM AFTER the gyno is there. Your doc isnt going to risk losing his license prescribing breast cancer drugs to a 20 year old male.
SERMs/AIs are much easier to get than steroids. Far less illegal as well. Online pharmacies and research suppliers are often used. [/quote]
From wiki’s link about gyno: “. Selective estrogen receptor modulator medications, such as tamoxifen and clomiphene, or androgens (typically testosterone) or aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole are medical treatment options, although they are not universally approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.”
From wiki’s link about tamoxifen: "Tamoxifen is used to prevent estrogen related gynecomastia, resulting from elevated estrogenic levels. It is taken as a preventative measure in small doses, or used at the onset of any symptoms e.g. nipple soreness/sensitivity. Other drugs are taken for the similar purposeses such as clomiphene citrate and the anti-aromatase drugs which are used in order to try to avoid the hormone related adverse effects. "
So I assumed if I said it was suddenly feeling tender and a new lump had just come up in the last week that he would prescribe it for that. Or even if I said I just took a prohormone my friend gave me and realized what it was and now have this gyno and/or Test is shut down or something (I do have fairly low test, ~400ng/dl and could probably artificially get it lower on a blood test). In the article on this site “your doc your dealer” that’s how the author recommended it, but none of this is coming from personal experience. [/quote]
Dude. None of that says anything about DOCTORS prescribing the drug. Or how DOCTORS treat gyno. Youre reading stuff written by laymen speaking about off label uses of the drugs.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]David1991 wrote:
From wiki’s link about gyno: “. Selective estrogen receptor modulator medications, such as tamoxifen and clomiphene, or androgens (typically testosterone) or aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole are medical treatment options, although they are not universally approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.”
From wiki’s link about tamoxifen: "Tamoxifen is used to prevent estrogen related gynecomastia, resulting from elevated estrogenic levels. It is taken as a preventative measure in small doses, or used at the onset of any symptoms e.g. nipple soreness/sensitivity. Other drugs are taken for the similar purposeses such as clomiphene citrate and the anti-aromatase drugs which are used in order to try to avoid the hormone related adverse effects. "
So I assumed if I said it was suddenly feeling tender and a new lump had just come up in the last week that he would prescribe it for that. Or even if I said I just took a prohormone my friend gave me and realized what it was and now have this gyno and/or Test is shut down or something (I do have fairly low test, ~400ng/dl and could probably artificially get it lower on a blood test). In the article on this site “your doc your dealer” that’s how the author recommended it, but none of this is coming from personal experience. [/quote]
Dude. None of that says anything about DOCTORS prescribing the drug. Or how DOCTORS treat gyno. Youre reading stuff written by laymen speaking about off label uses of the drugs.
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True. I assumed it was a possibility with “medical treatment option” listed and more so because it was brought up in the article on this site. I’ll still bring it up, might as well, but yea it looks like I’ll have to seek other options.
I have a small input which you may at least find interesting. My friend took prohormones and ended up with a lump under his nipple and went to his doctors about it. The doctor gave him two tablets - one to take in the morning and one that night. He says this tablet worked and the lump was gone but he cannot remember the name of the drug as this was a few years back now. He was not really into his prohormones and did not know what he was doing and this was the first and last time he will do them. I was surprised it was only 2 tablets but it must have been a strong drug whatever it was and would not have been nolvadex. This was in the UK by the way.
[quote]ballbagbaggins wrote:
I have a small input which you may at least find interesting. My friend took prohormones and ended up with a lump under his nipple and went to his doctors about it. The doctor gave him two tablets - one to take in the morning and one that night. He says this tablet worked and the lump was gone but he cannot remember the name of the drug as this was a few years back now. He was not really into his prohormones and did not know what he was doing and this was the first and last time he will do them. I was surprised it was only 2 tablets but it must have been a strong drug whatever it was and would not have been nolvadex. This was in the UK by the way.[/quote]
Interesting, any way you could find out? Also, any idea what prohormone he was on?
I won’t be able to find out but I am guessing it will be obvious to some people on here what he was prescribed. The prohormone was Havoc. Havoc is not meant to convert to estrogen and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t but of course that doesn’t mean you aren’t going to get an estrogen rebound afterwards. Another friend got quite a strong gyno reaction from using a prohomone called “the one” which also was not meant to convert to estrogen and decided to discontinue use after 10 days and start PCT.
^^ There’s no one sure-fire cure for gyno, so it’s hard to say what it was. Wrt some of the earlier comments, SERMS and AIs can be prescribed for various things, even if they are only FDA approved for cancer. Off-label use typically means that it’s not going to be covered by insurance.