[quote]pat wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nice try, but I have quite a few gay friends that believe in god. Call me crazy, but I choose not to believe in things for which there is no evidence.
Or in things that interfere with your lifestyle.
Hmmm…nope. Doesnt interfere with my lifestyle. Guess that only applies to certain people huh. Whats my reason for not being among the faithful?
I already addressed your situation, you’ll have to pay better attention.
Actually no you didnt. Here is a question. Why is it that so many people who were born and raised christians, catholics, or whatever, end up turning into aeithiests or agnostics? Simple question.
You should ask them…How the hell are we supposed to know? I guess the same reason people feel like it is still a good idea to go streaking at a baseball game.[/quote]
Actually I have thanks. Ya want to take a stab at what they say? Its usually pretty consistant.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.
Think about it.
You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.
However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.
Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.
Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?
I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.
No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.
Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.[/quote]
Look, the whole world is already here. So either it sprang into existence (through the big bang since that’s what the evidence points to) or an Eternal Causer randomly sprang into existence. In order to create the world, the Eternal Causer would necessarily have to be more complicated than the world, and would therefore be less likely to exist. This is philosophy 101, please educate yourself before making foolish claims.
Have you considered an infinite regress? I personally am much more comfortable (not that my comfort has anything to do with what is actually true) with the idea of events extending infinitely forward and/or backwards through time, than I am with the idea of an uncaused cause.
That statement Sir, is the reason why I will not debate with you.[/quote]
Based on the ignorance that’s been spewing from your keyboard onto this board, I seriously doubt you know what an infinite regress is, or why it is a logical fallacy.
Pat,
We may be getting tripped up on the terminology here. I’m just asserting that time could potentially extend infinitely both forwards and backwards (maybe even back through the big bang) and I’ve called it an infinite regress for lack of a better term. I’ll admit freely that I know of no evidence for this proposition. It just seems the lesser of two evils when compared to an uncaused cause
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No, neither is yours. You cannot prove that the things you believe are correct. You cannot prove that the way you think the universe/ world works is even remotely correct.
The difference between you and me is that I choose not to believe in ideas for which there is zero empirical evidence. On the other hand, lacking any evidence, you have chosen not only to believe in certain ideas, but to invest a good deal of your life following those ideas as if they are real.
If you don’t know something is true, why not admit it and withhold judgment, instead of choosing to believe in it anyway? How does believing in something for which there is zero evidence make any sense whatsoever?
You speak of empirical evidence, yet your arguments are filled with things that have only been believed for a generation, that sir is not empirical evidence. Plus your evidence comes from folly and fads.[/quote]
Wow, Newton never would have gotten that Theory of Gravity off the ground if you were around.
Newton: Hey Brother Chris, I just had the wonderful idea, I’m gonna call it gravity.
Brother Chris: Well, you just thought of it, so it clearly can’t be true.
Newton: walks away crying on his apple
Please tell me you understand the reasoning error you’re making here.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
pat wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nice try, but I have quite a few gay friends that believe in god. Call me crazy, but I choose not to believe in things for which there is no evidence.
Or in things that interfere with your lifestyle.
Hmmm…nope. Doesnt interfere with my lifestyle. Guess that only applies to certain people huh. Whats my reason for not being among the faithful?
I already addressed your situation, you’ll have to pay better attention.
Actually no you didnt. Here is a question. Why is it that so many people who were born and raised christians, catholics, or whatever, end up turning into aeithiests or agnostics? Simple question.
You should ask them…How the hell are we supposed to know? I guess the same reason people feel like it is still a good idea to go streaking at a baseball game.
Actually I have thanks. Ya want to take a stab at what they say? Its usually pretty consistant.
You dumb little bastard…you know all about the mysteries of the universe yet you can’t even spell CONSISTENT.
Really get the fuck off the Internet…go read a book or something.
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Good one buddy. Tough guy talk on the internet. We havent seen that before. You must feel so brawny and manly now. BTW thanks for taking the usual route you bible thumpers take and turn agressive, not bothering to answer the simple question I posted and call me a dumb little bastard because I used an a instead of an e. The testosterone must be seeping from your body at this point. Now that you have reinforced a typical stereotype to everyone reading ill ask again if ya feel like answering the question posted or are you too busy looking through my others posts to find any other spelling mistakes, which in your world is obviously a HUGE part of feeling superior to someone.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
pat wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nice try, but I have quite a few gay friends that believe in god. Call me crazy, but I choose not to believe in things for which there is no evidence.
Or in things that interfere with your lifestyle.
Hmmm…nope. Doesnt interfere with my lifestyle. Guess that only applies to certain people huh. Whats my reason for not being among the faithful?
I already addressed your situation, you’ll have to pay better attention.
Actually no you didnt. Here is a question. Why is it that so many people who were born and raised christians, catholics, or whatever, end up turning into aeithiests or agnostics? Simple question.
You should ask them…How the hell are we supposed to know? I guess the same reason people feel like it is still a good idea to go streaking at a baseball game.
Actually I have thanks. Ya want to take a stab at what they say? Its usually pretty consistant.
You dumb little bastard…you know all about the mysteries of the universe yet you can’t even spell CONSISTENT.
Really get the fuck off the Internet…go read a book or something.
Good one buddy. Tough guy talk on the internet. We havent seen that before. You must feel so brawny and manly now. BTW thanks for taking the usual route you bible thumpers take and turn agressive, not bothering to answer the simple question I posted and call me a dumb little bastard because I used an a instead of an e. The testosterone must be seeping from your body at this point. Now that you have reinforced a typical stereotype to everyone reading ill ask again if ya feel like answering the question posted or are you too busy looking through my others posts to find any other spelling mistakes, which in your world is obviously a HUGE part of feeling superior to someone.
First of all I’m not a Bible thumper. I’m someone who enjoys reading the various threads and I also post on occasion. So, your snap judgement isn’t too good, but that’s what I’d expect from a little punk like you.
Of course not. I ask a question and get called names for doing it. No fanaticism there.
The reason I posted is pretty simple, I’m tired of little retards like yourself pontificating to no end about the mysteries of the universe when you have a difficult time putting two sentences together without 12 spelling errors.
When did I ever claim that I know the mysteries of the universe? I believe I asked a question and just wanted a response, but got attacked with some high school putdowns instead. And as far as the 12 spelling errors, I believe it was actually 1 but If you want to exagerate thats fine.
I mean, look in the mirror your face probably hasn’t even cleared up and your lecturing everyone about God…just go away…I mean get the fuck lost…I’m sick of reading your nonsense.
My face is quite pleasant actually. You can go over to the T-vixen thread and ask my girl. She can verify. For the last time I asked a question. Has that last part sunk in yet? Asked a question. Do you want to have an intelligent convo or are ya just going to call me more names?
No tough guy act just sick of you and people like you.
People who ask questions on an internet forum right?
[quote]quidnunc wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.
I was referring to claims about divine intervention, which supposedly affect the material world.
On the reason for the earth’s existence, there are many possible hypotheses, none of which requires a supernatural explanation.
Except and uncaused cause, the rest would be illogical since they are statistically impossible.
You keep on using this term. It does not mean what you think it means.
Statistics, as a discipline, provides tremendous insight when studying phenomena that occur repeatedly. The smaller the sample size, the harder it is to draw statistical conclusions. For example, if I survey a thousand people at random about some political issue, it is very likely that their opinion is representative of the whole population. If I ask one guy at random, it isn’t.
But when we’re talking about the beginning of the universe, none of this is relevant. Are there other universes? Are there other possible-universes that never began for some reason? We don’t know, so our sample size is one. So talking about “statistics” is just meaningless here.
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Prove it, I can figure out statistically what the probability of a royal flush is without performing the act once. Never mind on proving it, I just proved you wrong. I win. Maybe if you stop listening to your professors so much and actually read something that has been around for more than ten years, and has been backed for longer than you have been alive, maybe your arguments could be valid.
[quote]mbm693 wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.
Think about it.
You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.
However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.
Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.
Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?
I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.
No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.
Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.
Look, the whole world is already here. So either it sprang into existence (through the big bang since that’s what the evidence points to) or an Eternal Causer randomly sprang into existence. In order to create the world, the Eternal Causer would necessarily have to be more complicated than the world, and would therefore be less likely to exist. This is philosophy 101, please educate yourself before making foolish claims.
[/quote]
Well, the fact that you just fucked up the basic vocabulary of English vocab, I have a hard time believing you understand basic philosophy. If you can figure out your own mistake, I’ll poor your own modernism flavored kool-aid for you.
[quote]mbm693 wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
No, neither is yours. You cannot prove that the things you believe are correct. You cannot prove that the way you think the universe/ world works is even remotely correct.
The difference between you and me is that I choose not to believe in ideas for which there is zero empirical evidence. On the other hand, lacking any evidence, you have chosen not only to believe in certain ideas, but to invest a good deal of your life following those ideas as if they are real.
If you don’t know something is true, why not admit it and withhold judgment, instead of choosing to believe in it anyway? How does believing in something for which there is zero evidence make any sense whatsoever?
You speak of empirical evidence, yet your arguments are filled with things that have only been believed for a generation, that sir is not empirical evidence. Plus your evidence comes from folly and fads.
Wow, Newton never would have gotten that Theory of Gravity off the ground if you were around.
Newton: Hey Brother Chris, I just had the wonderful idea, I’m gonna call it gravity.
Brother Chris: Well, you just thought of it, so it clearly can’t be true.
Newton: walks away crying on his apple
Please tell me you understand the reasoning error you’re making here.
[/quote]
First off, the Theory of Gravity was not accept immediately after it was put in place, it took a great deal of time for it to be accepted. Second, these theories, that you think are new, are not. They are old theories thought to be true by narcissism when created, brushed off and called new. They however sadly (for you) are being pushed out of seminaries, and universities because they have still no evidence to back them up. Wait…what? I said wasn’t going to debate with you, guess I’m not since I just won, again.
[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
pat wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nice try, but I have quite a few gay friends that believe in god. Call me crazy, but I choose not to believe in things for which there is no evidence.
Or in things that interfere with your lifestyle.
Hmmm…nope. Doesnt interfere with my lifestyle. Guess that only applies to certain people huh. Whats my reason for not being among the faithful?
I already addressed your situation, you’ll have to pay better attention.
Actually no you didnt. Here is a question. Why is it that so many people who were born and raised christians, catholics, or whatever, end up turning into aeithiests or agnostics? Simple question.
You should ask them…How the hell are we supposed to know? I guess the same reason people feel like it is still a good idea to go streaking at a baseball game.
Actually I have thanks. Ya want to take a stab at what they say? Its usually pretty consistant.
You dumb little bastard…you know all about the mysteries of the universe yet you can’t even spell CONSISTENT.
Really get the fuck off the Internet…go read a book or something.
Good one buddy. Tough guy talk on the internet. We havent seen that before. You must feel so brawny and manly now. BTW thanks for taking the usual route you bible thumpers take and turn agressive, not bothering to answer the simple question I posted and call me a dumb little bastard because I used an a instead of an e. The testosterone must be seeping from your body at this point. Now that you have reinforced a typical stereotype to everyone reading ill ask again if ya feel like answering the question posted or are you too busy looking through my others posts to find any other spelling mistakes, which in your world is obviously a HUGE part of feeling superior to someone.[/quote]
Says roll on roll off. The reason they probably become atheist is for the fact that some liberal mainline church has spewed a modern fad to the congregation, and the congregation takes it as truth and then becomes inevitably atheist. Which is I put no blame on the members of congregation that have this done to them, except that they should take a little responsibility and try to keep their leaders accountable to orthodox.
[quote]pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Pat,
I wouldn’t waste too much time with those two, they each have a lifestyle agenda and God deosn’t exactly fit in. I wonder if they’d believe if the Bible encouraged homosexuality, and a host of other “fun” things that they like?
I bet we’d not be having this debate huh? Some people are easy to figure out, they want what they want and anything that tells them the can’t just can’t be real.
Anyone who has studied Christianity knows that the Bible is one of the most well researched ancient documents of all time. More accurate than all the works of Socrates, Plato and many other well respected ancient writers. One only has to use google, it’s not a hidden secret.
The Bible is true and It’s the word of God.
I’ve had many prayers answered in my life and I know many others who have as well. Some very amazing things have happened just from prayer alone. We don’t need a scientist to stand by measuring the perceived accuracy to know that prayers are indeed answered.
However, it is all about faith and you cannot argue science to confirm faith.
One last thing, many if not most of the “atheists” on this site are between the ages of about 21 and 30’s. When they grow up and stop playing “know it all” they just might come around. For those who don’t maybe a life changing event or two will bring them around, maybe not.
As my grandfather used to say " I never saw an atheist in a foxhole."
Take care Pat and God Bless!
So your grandfather was unoriginal as well?
You are more deluded than I thought if you really believe that the Bible is a historically accurate document. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Just a short list of inacuracies.
The Jews were from Judea area originally, they didn’t come in from Egypt.
The Jews were never enslaved.
Herod never masacred any babies.
Solomon and David never existed as powerful kings.
Daniel 5:1-2 says Belshazzar was king of the Chaldean Empire (Babylon), and son and successor of Nebuchadnezzar. In reality, Nebuchadnezzar’s son and successor was Amel-Marduk. He was assassinated by his Brother-in-law Nergal-Ashur-Usur, who took the throne. His reign was followed by his son Labashi-Marduk, who was opposed by a faction that overthrew him and placed Nabu-naido on the throne. Belshazzar (who’s name was actually Bel-shar-utsur) was the son of Nabu-naido. He was NEVER king, but crown prince, and was no relation at all to Nebuchadnezzar.
Hosea 5:13 tells us the Assyrian King at that time was named Jareb. There was never an Assyrian king by that name, and the name of the king who did rule at that time was Tiglath-Pileser the third.
Esther 1:9 tells us Vashti was queen of Persia at the time the story occures, but the queen at this time was actually Amestris, and there never was a queen of Persia named Vashti. Vashti was the name of an Elamite goddess. Most probably that is the origin of the name in this story.
If Jesus even existed, he certainly wasn’t born in Nazareth as it didn’t exist at the time.
Sources, please?
Erm, the Bible.
The bible categorically claims that all it’s stories are false?..Damn, I better reread.[/quote]
for starters, a very intersting book about the origins of 4 major religions. Or you can pick up pretty much any history book that deals with the region and read it alongside a Bible and you will see whole swathes of the Bible that were clearly just made up to fill in the gaps.
Most of the Jewish history in the old testament is totally made up.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.
Think about it.
You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.
However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.
Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.
Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?
I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.
No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.
Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.[/quote]
You clearly have no understanding of statistics. If there are infinite universes as some posit then our existence on this planet has a probability of 1.
You are also looking at things the wrong way round. Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the drug store, but that’s just peanuts to space. Because it is so big and varied there are parts of it that are condusive to life of the type found on Earth. Now add in a very, very long time and surprise surprise in one of the tiny bits of the universe that is condusive to life we find life. The statistical probability of this is actually pretty high when you look at the universe and time as a whole.
The problem is that our minds have problems coping with quite how big the universe is and quite how much time we are talking about. This is no surprise because we are conditioned to think in terms of a couple of lifetimes at most and spaces not much larger than a small village.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Pat,
I wouldn’t waste too much time with those two, they each have a lifestyle agenda and God deosn’t exactly fit in. I wonder if they’d believe if the Bible encouraged homosexuality, and a host of other “fun” things that they like?
I bet we’d not be having this debate huh? Some people are easy to figure out, they want what they want and anything that tells them the can’t just can’t be real.
Anyone who has studied Christianity knows that the Bible is one of the most well researched ancient documents of all time. More accurate than all the works of Socrates, Plato and many other well respected ancient writers. One only has to use google, it’s not a hidden secret.
The Bible is true and It’s the word of God.
I’ve had many prayers answered in my life and I know many others who have as well. Some very amazing things have happened just from prayer alone. We don’t need a scientist to stand by measuring the perceived accuracy to know that prayers are indeed answered.
However, it is all about faith and you cannot argue science to confirm faith.
One last thing, many if not most of the “atheists” on this site are between the ages of about 21 and 30’s. When they grow up and stop playing “know it all” they just might come around. For those who don’t maybe a life changing event or two will bring them around, maybe not.
As my grandfather used to say " I never saw an atheist in a foxhole."
Take care Pat and God Bless!
So your grandfather was unoriginal as well?
You are more deluded than I thought if you really believe that the Bible is a historically accurate document. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Just a short list of inacuracies.
The Jews were from Judea area originally, they didn’t come in from Egypt.
The Jews were never enslaved.
Herod never masacred any babies.
Solomon and David never existed as powerful kings.
Daniel 5:1-2 says Belshazzar was king of the Chaldean Empire (Babylon), and son and successor of Nebuchadnezzar. In reality, Nebuchadnezzar’s son and successor was Amel-Marduk. He was assassinated by his Brother-in-law Nergal-Ashur-Usur, who took the throne. His reign was followed by his son Labashi-Marduk, who was opposed by a faction that overthrew him and placed Nabu-naido on the throne. Belshazzar (who’s name was actually Bel-shar-utsur) was the son of Nabu-naido. He was NEVER king, but crown prince, and was no relation at all to Nebuchadnezzar.
Hosea 5:13 tells us the Assyrian King at that time was named Jareb. There was never an Assyrian king by that name, and the name of the king who did rule at that time was Tiglath-Pileser the third.
Esther 1:9 tells us Vashti was queen of Persia at the time the story occures, but the queen at this time was actually Amestris, and there never was a queen of Persia named Vashti. Vashti was the name of an Elamite goddess. Most probably that is the origin of the name in this story.
If Jesus even existed, he certainly wasn’t born in Nazareth as it didn’t exist at the time.
Out of all of the posts that have been posted, or probably ever be posted about Christian history this is by far the silliest and the most entertaining.
I thank you.
[/quote]
Why so? Give me one shred of independent evidence for any of the items I dispute.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Pat,
I wouldn’t waste too much time with those two, they each have a lifestyle agenda and God deosn’t exactly fit in. I wonder if they’d believe if the Bible encouraged homosexuality, and a host of other “fun” things that they like?
I bet we’d not be having this debate huh? Some people are easy to figure out, they want what they want and anything that tells them the can’t just can’t be real.
Anyone who has studied Christianity knows that the Bible is one of the most well researched ancient documents of all time. More accurate than all the works of Socrates, Plato and many other well respected ancient writers. One only has to use google, it’s not a hidden secret.
The Bible is true and It’s the word of God.
I’ve had many prayers answered in my life and I know many others who have as well. Some very amazing things have happened just from prayer alone. We don’t need a scientist to stand by measuring the perceived accuracy to know that prayers are indeed answered.
However, it is all about faith and you cannot argue science to confirm faith.
One last thing, many if not most of the “atheists” on this site are between the ages of about 21 and 30’s. When they grow up and stop playing “know it all” they just might come around. For those who don’t maybe a life changing event or two will bring them around, maybe not.
As my grandfather used to say " I never saw an atheist in a foxhole."
Take care Pat and God Bless!
So your grandfather was unoriginal as well?
You are more deluded than I thought if you really believe that the Bible is a historically accurate document. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Just a short list of inacuracies.
The Jews were from Judea area originally, they didn’t come in from Egypt.
The Jews were never enslaved.
Herod never masacred any babies.
Solomon and David never existed as powerful kings.
Daniel 5:1-2 says Belshazzar was king of the Chaldean Empire (Babylon), and son and successor of Nebuchadnezzar. In reality, Nebuchadnezzar’s son and successor was Amel-Marduk. He was assassinated by his Brother-in-law Nergal-Ashur-Usur, who took the throne. His reign was followed by his son Labashi-Marduk, who was opposed by a faction that overthrew him and placed Nabu-naido on the throne. Belshazzar (who’s name was actually Bel-shar-utsur) was the son of Nabu-naido. He was NEVER king, but crown prince, and was no relation at all to Nebuchadnezzar.
Hosea 5:13 tells us the Assyrian King at that time was named Jareb. There was never an Assyrian king by that name, and the name of the king who did rule at that time was Tiglath-Pileser the third.
Esther 1:9 tells us Vashti was queen of Persia at the time the story occures, but the queen at this time was actually Amestris, and there never was a queen of Persia named Vashti. Vashti was the name of an Elamite goddess. Most probably that is the origin of the name in this story.
If Jesus even existed, he certainly wasn’t born in Nazareth as it didn’t exist at the time.
You base your life around a badly translated, badly cobbled together, contradictive set of books that were written 1,500 years ago to try to bring together various fables about totally unrelated people in order to control the masses in an area several thousand miles away from where you live and I am the kook?
I have a very happy life. I am happily married, I have a beautiful daughter, I have a succesful career and a group of close and supportive friends. I also have no need to ask someone else how to live my life. I don’t need a priest or a vicar to interpret a book for me and tell me what is right and wrong. I am also a tad older than 25.
[quote]mbm693 wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
Have you considered an infinite regress? I personally am much more comfortable (not that my comfort has anything to do with what is actually true) with the idea of events extending infinitely forward and/or backwards through time, than I am with the idea of an uncaused cause.
That statement Sir, is the reason why I will not debate with you.
Based on the ignorance that’s been spewing from your keyboard onto this board, I seriously doubt you know what an infinite regress is, or why it is a logical fallacy.
Pat,
We may be getting tripped up on the terminology here. I’m just asserting that time could potentially extend infinitely both forwards and backwards (maybe even back through the big bang) and I’ve called it an infinite regress for lack of a better term. I’ll admit freely that I know of no evidence for this proposition. It just seems the lesser of two evils when compared to an uncaused cause[/quote]
Time could also be circular, as could the Universe (actually I think the current theory is doughnut shaped. Equally time could not exist at all and be a totally human construct. I actually have a pet theory that time and space are actually some sort of Mobius strip.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
pat wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nice try, but I have quite a few gay friends that believe in god. Call me crazy, but I choose not to believe in things for which there is no evidence.
Or in things that interfere with your lifestyle.
Hmmm…nope. Doesnt interfere with my lifestyle. Guess that only applies to certain people huh. Whats my reason for not being among the faithful?
I already addressed your situation, you’ll have to pay better attention.
Actually no you didnt. Here is a question. Why is it that so many people who were born and raised christians, catholics, or whatever, end up turning into aeithiests or agnostics? Simple question.
You should ask them…How the hell are we supposed to know? I guess the same reason people feel like it is still a good idea to go streaking at a baseball game.
Actually I have thanks. Ya want to take a stab at what they say? Its usually pretty consistant.
You dumb little bastard…you know all about the mysteries of the universe yet you can’t even spell CONSISTENT.
Really get the fuck off the Internet…go read a book or something.
Good one buddy. Tough guy talk on the internet. We havent seen that before. You must feel so brawny and manly now. BTW thanks for taking the usual route you bible thumpers take and turn agressive, not bothering to answer the simple question I posted and call me a dumb little bastard because I used an a instead of an e. The testosterone must be seeping from your body at this point. Now that you have reinforced a typical stereotype to everyone reading ill ask again if ya feel like answering the question posted or are you too busy looking through my others posts to find any other spelling mistakes, which in your world is obviously a HUGE part of feeling superior to someone.
First of all I’m not a Bible thumper. I’m someone who enjoys reading the various threads and I also post on occasion. So, your snap judgement isn’t too good, but that’s what I’d expect from a little punk like you.
The reason I posted is pretty simple, I’m tired of little retards like yourself pontificating to no end about the mysteries of the universe when you have a difficult time putting two sentences together without 12 spelling errors.
I mean, look in the mirror your face probably hasn’t even cleared up and your lecturing everyone about God…just go away…I mean get the fuck lost…I’m sick of reading your nonsense.
No tough guy act just sick of you and people like you.
