Does Money Buy Happiness?

Maybe:

Excerpt:

[i] Last week, at the Brookings Institution in Washington, two young economists - from the University of Pennsylvania, as it happens �?? presented a rebuttal of the paradox. Their paper has quickly captured the attention of top economists around the world. It has also led to a spirited response from Mr. Easterlin.

In the paper, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers argue that money indeed tends to bring happiness, even if it doesn’t guarantee it. They point out that in the 34 years since Mr. Easterlin published his paper, an explosion of public opinion surveys has allowed for a better look at the question. “The central message,” Ms. Stevenson said, “is that income does matter.”

To see what they mean, take a look at the map that accompanies this column. It’s based on Gallup polls done around the world, and it clearly shows that life satisfaction is highest in the richest countries. The residents of these countries seem to understand that they have it pretty good, whether or not they own an iPod Touch.

If anything, Ms. Stevenson and Mr. Wolfers say, absolute income seems to matter more than relative income. In the United States, about 90 percent of people in households making at least $250,000 a year called themselves “very happy” in a recent Gallup Poll. In households with income below $30,000, only 42 percent of people gave that answer. But the international polling data suggests that the under-$30,000 crowd might not be happier if they lived in a poorer country.[/i]

I still think it’s only up to a certain point - but I think that point is higher than sustenance level.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I still think it’s only up to a certain point - but I think that point is higher than sustenance level.[/quote]

And you had to make a thread to tell us about this nugget?

Money buys everything. The most important thing it buys is time.

Unfortunately, rich people are made unhappy because they work too much and therefore never have the TIME to spend their money.

“Money buys a waverunner. Ever try to frown on a waverunner?”

~Daniel Tosh

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
“Money buys a waverunner. Ever try to frown on a waverunner?”

~Daniel Tosh[/quote]

Ever run out of gas on a wave-runner?

[quote]lixy wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
I still think it’s only up to a certain point - but I think that point is higher than sustenance level.

And you had to make a thread to tell us about this nugget?[/quote]

Yes - I guess you didn’t click through the link.

Here’s another excerpt:

[i] This contrast became the most famous example of a theory known as the Easterlin paradox. In 1974, Richard Easterlin, then an economist at the University of Pennsylvania, published a study in which he argued that economic growth didn�??t necessarily lead to more satisfaction.

People in poor countries, not surprisingly, did become happier once they could afford basic necessities. But beyond that, further gains simply seemed to reset the bar. To put it in today�??s terms, owning an iPod doesn’t make you happier, because you then want an iPod Touch. Relative income - how much you make compared with others around you - mattered far more than absolute income, Mr. Easterlin wrote.

The paradox quickly became a social science classic, cited in academic journals and the popular media. It tapped into a near-spiritual human instinct to believe that money can’t buy happiness. As a 2006 headline in The Financial Times said, “The Hippies Were Right All Along About Happiness.”

But now the Easterlin paradox is under attack.[/i]

And you should know how I feel about hippies…

economists doing ethics?

perhaps someone should talk to an ethicist about this.

besides, this is about 2,500 years behind the times. just what is “happiness”, beyond a term often used to denote the positive end of some normative scale? further explication is needed. this is what ethicists do.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Money buys everything. The most important thing it buys is time.

Unfortunately, rich people are made unhappy because they work too much and therefore never have the TIME to spend their money.[/quote]

They just need to pay other people to do time-consuming tasks for them.

“Money doesn’t make you happy. I have $50 million dollars, but I was just as happy when I had $48 million” - Arnold

[quote]stokedporcupine wrote:
economists doing ethics?
[/quote]

I though happiness would fall under the more general study of axiology (which happens to include ethics).

I do agree, one thing economists should not concern themselves with is the value placed on ends.

But still…even though I wouldn’t consider it the only way to obtain it – money does buy happiness.

[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
They just need to pay other people to do time-consuming tasks for them.
[/quote]
Precisely. I was going to say that rich people are unhappy because they don’t know how to spend their money the right way.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
stokedporcupine wrote:
economists doing ethics?

I though happiness would fall under the more general study of axiology (which happens to include ethics).

I do agree, one thing economists should not concern themselves with is the value placed on ends.

But still…even though I wouldn’t consider it the only way to obtain it – money does buy happiness.[/quote]

if you are made happy by something which is bought with money, sure. this is not an astonishing result.

Aristotle himself says that money is only a potential way to happiness. (hence why i say this stuff is 2500 years behind)

I love money.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction.

Blood, whips and guns…or dollars. Take your choice; there is no other. And your time is running out."
— Atlas Shrugged

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Blood, whips and guns…or dollars. Take your choice; there is no other. And your time is running out."
— Atlas Shrugged[/quote]

Poppycock. There is also gold, platinum, silver, and the Swiss Franc.

“Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensation for misery.”–The Controller, Brave New World

What money too often buys is overcompensation for misery (as seen on every TV commercial you’ve ever watched), not actual happiness (which you can’t really advertise).

Just got my tax return, and I’m very happy.

When it’s all gone I will be so sad!

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Blood, whips and guns…or dollars. Take your choice; there is no other. And your time is running out."
— Atlas Shrugged

Poppycock. There is also gold, platinum, silver, and the Swiss Franc.[/quote]

“Those pieces of paper in your pocket…which should have been gold…are you’re claim upon the energy of men who produce.”

“Whenever looters appear among men, they steal gold and replace it with counterfeit pieces of paper.”

“If you want to know if your society is doomed, watch money.”

These are from memory.

To which I say, “if you want to know if your society is doomed, watch Cheney.”

When the Vice President cashes in his dollars, buys gold, and moves his company to Dubai, I’d say that’s a pretty good indication that the fecal matter is approaching the ventilator.

‘No but it can buy a great big yacht and sail right up next to it.’

Material wealth does go a fair way towards achieving happiness but it is not capable of achieving it alone.

There are other things not for sale such as family, self-satisfaction in achievements, etc.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
“Money buys a waverunner. Ever try to frown on a waverunner?”

~Daniel Tosh

Ever run out of gas on a wave-runner?[/quote]

If you’re rich enough to own a waverunner, you’re rich enough to buy gas.