Do You Pledge to Obama?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

You die for someone else’s ideals, then i’ll die for my own…

You said ‘to hell with ideals’ and then state that you’ll die for your own. If that’s not nihilism then what is it?

Are your ancestors Lebensborn, by any chance?

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…i certainly agree with many aspects of nihilism, but as with anything, following concepts as if the concept has enough value to protect it or to become a proponent for it, that’s simply too much effort…

…if i was in your shoes, i wouldn’t pledge allegiance to my president, no matter his political affiliation. If you do this you’ve become a lackey, a servant to someone else’s dogma. This is why i find it utterly ironic that many on this board go on incessantly about freedom and then slave themselves to other people’s ideas…

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

You die for someone else’s ideals, then i’ll die for my own…

You said ‘to hell with ideals’ and then state that you’ll die for your own. If that’s not nihilism then what is it?

Are your ancestors Lebensborn, by any chance?

…i certainly agree with many aspects of nihilism, but as with anything, following concepts as if the concept has enough value to protect it or to become a proponent for it, that’s simply too much effort…

…if i was in your shoes, i wouldn’t pledge allegiance to my president, no matter his political affiliation. If you do this you’ve become a lackey, a servant to someone else’s dogma. This is why i find it utterly ironic that many on this board go on incessantly about freedom and then slave themselves to other people’s ideas…
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As Holland gets swallowed up by Islam, I can understand the nihilism there. Your culture is dying so you give up. You need your own Charles Martel.

Hitler, in his violent and insane way, tried to save European civilisation from ‘the East’. But he thougt Europe’s enemies were the Jews and Slavs. It was Islam all along.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up. [/quote]

Big Boss, what was this all about. You usually have a calm and reasonable response, whether you agree or not. This response seems out of character. What about the statement elicited the response of STFU?

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up.

I’m fighting for my life and freedom. What you think or whatever happens to you or anyone else, is no concern of mine. As long as people like you vote away our freedoms, I WILL speak.

It’s glad to know that a person that doesn’t care about others is concerned about OUR freedoms. :wink:
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Individual freedom is the foundation on which all freedom is built.
It is one of the reasons we were founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

It used to be that a liberal would say “I cannot agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Today it seems that liberals deny your right to do anything other than agree with them.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ephrem wrote:

…i certainly agree with many aspects of nihilism, but as with anything, following concepts as if the concept has enough value to protect it or to become a proponent for it, that’s simply too much effort…

…if i was in your shoes, i wouldn’t pledge allegiance to my president, no matter his political affiliation. If you do this you’ve become a lackey, a servant to someone else’s dogma. This is why i find it utterly ironic that many on this board go on incessantly about freedom and then slave themselves to other people’s ideas…

As Holland gets swallowed up by Islam, I can understand the nihilism there. Your culture is dying so you give up. You need your own Charles Martel.

Hitler, in his violent and insane way, tried to save European civilisation from ‘the East’. But he thougt Europe’s enemies were the Jews and Slavs. It was Islam all along.[/quote]

…if your sense of identity and entitlement depends on the culture you’ve been brought up in, then you’d be wise to defend that culture with your life. The idea that this does not have to be the case must be foreign to you, just like it must be foreign to religious folks who depend on their faith for the very same. But i submit to you that this notion of interdependent cultural identity does not equal freedom, but ties you to those who proclaim to be the authority on said culture…

…it is you, and those who think like you, who form the backbone of an easily manipulated mass of people who believe they are free, but are not. As long as you believe that your freedom can be taken away from you, you need someone who grants you your freedom. You can’t do this yourself however, because ultimately, without that which gives you meaning and purpose, you are nothing. This, my virtual friend, is the bondage that ties you down…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Bunyip wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What’s the difference between this and pledging allegiance to a flag or country?

Good little robots, do my bidding…

As an outsider I could take a guess. Pledging to the flag or country is pledging to a set of ideals, a framework created for individuals to flourish as their own masters and live together as best they can.

Whereas as a pledge of allegiance to a man is a pledge to be a servant of a master, to say to hell with ideals.

…suicide bombers have ideals too, they fight and die for what they believe in. Good and bad are interchangable and are dependant on which side you are. So i say to hell with flag and country, and to hell with ideals…

Classic nihilism ^^^^.

A lot of good men died following a flag and their ideals, to liberate your country from the Germans. They didn’t HAVE to do it but thought freedom was worth fighting for.

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They did not HAVE to do it?

Someone needs to explain the concept of a “draft” to you.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

You die for someone else’s ideals, then i’ll die for my own…

You said ‘to hell with ideals’ and then state that you’ll die for your own. If that’s not nihilism then what is it?

Are your ancestors Lebensborn, by any chance?

…i certainly agree with many aspects of nihilism, but as with anything, following concepts as if the concept has enough value to protect it or to become a proponent for it, that’s simply too much effort…

…if i was in your shoes, i wouldn’t pledge allegiance to my president, no matter his political affiliation. If you do this you’ve become a lackey, a servant to someone else’s dogma. This is why i find it utterly ironic that many on this board go on incessantly about freedom and then slave themselves to other people’s ideas…

As Holland gets swallowed up by Islam, I can understand the nihilism there. Your culture is dying so you give up. You need your own Charles Martel.

Hitler, in his violent and insane way, tried to save European civilisation from ‘the East’. But he thougt Europe’s enemies were the Jews and Slavs. It was Islam all along.
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amen, I wonder if in the future, american blood will be spent yet again, to save a continent of
people who have become weak, and forgotten their great heritage. like the great men of the north who stood like a wall of ice against the moors at the battle of tours. the brave spanish and germen marines at the battle of lepanto, who crushed the turks. the polish cavalry with saber and cross, that lifted the siege of vienna and cut down the turkish janissaries

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
I pledge allegiance to The Flag, not Obama the Hag…
Of the United States of America, not the United Commies who’re Self-Destructing America…
And To The Republic, not the Democratic…
For Which It Stands [as a beacon of Freedom]…
One Nation Under God, not under Sharia…
Indivisible, but not Divisive…
With Liberty, but not the Tyrannical Collectivists…
And Justice, not “social justice”…
For All…
And to those whom reside in this Republic with certain UNALIENABLE Rights…
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness!!!

SO DON’T TREAD ON OUR GRAND FLAG YOU COMMIE SCUMBAGS!!!

LET FREEDOM RING!!!

Keep your day job Wordsworth.[/quote]

Wordsworth… I’ll have to remember that one.

He can’t even talk to school kids without people drawing parallels to Nazism.

sigh… He is not a communist… or a nazi… or part of some liberal conspiracy begun in the 60’s…

[quote]JEATON wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up.

Big Boss, what was this all about. You usually have a calm and reasonable response, whether you agree or not. This response seems out of character. What about the statement elicited the response of STFU?
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Headhunter, I’m guessing.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

He can’t even talk to school kids without people drawing parallels to Nazism.

sigh… He is not a communist… or a nazi… or part of some liberal conspiracy begun in the 60’s… [/quote]

The KKK used to be democrats. Of course, people forget this was back when the Dems resembled the Republicans and before they became what people deridingly refer to as “progressive”. I can’t see the KKK supporting Dems now for some weird reason.

Strange.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

He can’t even talk to school kids without people drawing parallels to Nazism.

sigh… He is not a communist… or a nazi… or part of some liberal conspiracy begun in the 60’s…

The KKK used to be democrats. Of course, people forget this was back when the Dems resembled the Republicans and before they became what people deridingly refer to as “progressive”. I can’t see the KKK supporting Dems now for some weird reason.

Strange.[/quote]

I don’t know, the KKK is pretty proud of planned parenthood. And really they resemble republicans? how?

[quote]JEATON wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up.

Big Boss, what was this all about. You usually have a calm and reasonable response, whether you agree or not. This response seems out of character. What about the statement elicited the response of STFU?
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Because it’s HH…nothing more…lol.

[quote]JEATON wrote:

Individual freedom is the foundation on which all freedom is built.
It is one of the reasons we were founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

It used to be that a liberal would say “I cannot agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Today it seems that liberals deny your right to do anything other than agree with them. [/quote]

You could easily replace “liberal” with “conservative”…and both statements will still be right in today’s America. People waste so much energy in pointing out ignorant generalizations and disparities between conservatives and liberals. I don’t get how we can come together and accomplish anything that way. Just a mindset that is destined for failure for ALL of us.

[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Bunyip wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What’s the difference between this and pledging allegiance to a flag or country?

Good little robots, do my bidding…

As an outsider I could take a guess. Pledging to the flag or country is pledging to a set of ideals, a framework created for individuals to flourish as their own masters and live together as best they can.

Whereas as a pledge of allegiance to a man is a pledge to be a servant of a master, to say to hell with ideals.

…suicide bombers have ideals too, they fight and die for what they believe in. Good and bad are interchangable and are dependant on which side you are. So i say to hell with flag and country, and to hell with ideals…

Classic nihilism ^^^^.

A lot of good men died following a flag and their ideals, to liberate your country from the Germans. They didn’t HAVE to do it but thought freedom was worth fighting for.

They did not HAVE to do it?

Someone needs to explain the concept of a “draft” to you.[/quote]

It was actually rather hard to get into the front line units. The US Army used draftees more for support units. The front line guys didn’t like draftees also because they didn’t know if they could count on them.

Then, draftees actually could simply refuse to fight. They got a prison term though, by far, the Army simply gave them the worst jobs, like grave digger or camp latrine digger.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
JEATON wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up.

Big Boss, what was this all about. You usually have a calm and reasonable response, whether you agree or not. This response seems out of character. What about the statement elicited the response of STFU?

Because it’s HH…nothing more…lol. [/quote]

I didn’t know Muay Thai kicks to the head were allowed…thought it was all leg kicks.

That, or whatever they’re putting in Burger King food these days. Eating that shit everyday…not a good idea.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
JEATON wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I pledge, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Then shut the fuck up.

Big Boss, what was this all about. You usually have a calm and reasonable response, whether you agree or not. This response seems out of character. What about the statement elicited the response of STFU?

Because it’s HH…nothing more…lol.

I didn’t know Muay Thai kicks to the head were allowed…thought it was all leg kicks.

That, or whatever they’re putting in Burger King food these days. Eating that shit everyday…not a good idea.

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HH,you are losing your touch…early signs of Alzheimer’s maybe?